[CS2] Litchi Changelog

[Guardian]

It looks like she'll still be able to beast in the corner. Actually getting someone to the corner with a combo is going to be a problem.

The j.C nerf was totally unnecessary imo. What kind of decent mid screen damage is she going to get w/o j.B, j.C [D] combos?

[ril213]

Outside of the 2 nerfs mentioned. It isn't too bad, not the brightest tweaks either. Out of the nerfs between the top 3, Litchi got the least of them. I'm going to stick with her stay confident when the final product hits.

[Lord Knight]

More changes

Can combo off CH Ryuuisou

6B[m] CH - wallbounce removed

2C-4D-hakuchunhatsu-riichiA-B-6B-D-JC-6C-ittsuC-JB-JB-JC-hatsuchun - 3700 damage

3C - air tech possible (no follow up)

4D > 2D - works. Can continue with 6C if close enough.

[Gorehound]

I like the fact that Litchi players are whining about their obvious broke characters getting nerfed. Good job guys, thanks for the insight on the mind of an American Litchi player.

I also like seeing "I'm gonna quit her if shes not top tier". Good job, you need broke characters to win because you're not good enough to win without a broke character.

To the people who realize how absolutely overpowered she was, and are gonna stick with her anyways, props to you guys.

To the tier whores, cry more.

QFT!

I'm still going to main Litchi, been maining her since CT, just like I was still maining Rachel in CS. I don't give up on my fav characters!

I'm all for some Litchi nerfs, just to get the Tier Whores away from her.

Yeah, she made have lost some stuff, but what if she gained even more stuff for newer combos.

Let's see what she can do.

Not to mention this is the first loke test.

[Urichinan]

You think stuff such as 2C[m] -> 6D -> 5B -> 2D -> Haku -> Chun -> Staff 2 -> 6C(2) -> IttsuuC -> j.B -> jc -> j.B -> j.C -> Hatsu -> Chun would work mid-screen?

[Dator]

I didn't think litchi was to bad if you play a decent player ib litchi's 5b, 2c 5c and they can dp out even when you block...so I guess there making new challenges to? Should help us get some combos to start off with tell we find some more.

[Capn]

So, if nothing cancels into Itsuu anymore, doesn't that kill combos? Am I missing something? Seems like 2C -> ItsuuA is a pretty important part of the arsenal, taking that out would be sad news.

[DJHUOSHEN]

I can't wait to see the end result. I think I'll be more excited to play the new Litchi over this one. I liked this one, but yeah, mad powerful with mad easy abare for silly good damage. I enjoyed how good she is now, don't get me wrong, but meh, playing this one wasn't really exciting for me.

What'd really be cool would be immunity frames for Hatsu and an airborne Haku dive kick that will allow you to pick them up off the ground after the knockdown, a la Ragna Belial Edge. That would really sauce up her stickless game and make it far less scary to be caught without a stick.

[KD]

Oh hell yes, thank you Arcsys. Looks like Litchi might be coming along to being fun to play again.

2C-4D-hakuchunhatsu-riichiA-B-6B-D-JC-6C-ittsuC-JB-JB-JC-hatsuchun - 3700 damage

Thinking about this combo, has there been any mention or reference to what her meter gain from combos looks like so far?

[Kenny tuty]

JCCH doesn't bounce back. lol

l...o.....l....

[KurenaiDISCORD]

I think you're taking the complaints out of context. People aren't upset because she could possibly go down a tier (Or several). I'm not even sure where you get that idea, to be honest; you're obviously bitter about something... I know for a fact it has nothing to do with that for me, personally... It's more that when you take a liking to the playstyle of a character, take the time to figure out everything about him/her & then Aksys decides to do away with every defining element or strength of said character, pretty much making them a different character? That's just a slap in the face & bad developing, to be honest... It's hard to believe they consider the thoughts/feelings/assertions of their fans regarding the future of their favorite games anymore & that's what really bothers me... I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't fall into your little, sophomoric "Character Loyalist/Tier Loyalist" rationalization... Unless you're merely looking to offend & instigate, then I've already given you far too much acknowledgment...

[ATGMantenbo]

I think you're taking the complaints out of context. People aren't upset because she could possibly go down a tier (Or several). I'm not even sure where you get that idea, to be honest; you're obviously bitter about something... I know for a fact it has nothing to do with that for me, personally... It's more that when you take a liking to the playstyle of a character, take the time to figure out everything about him/her & then Aksys decides to do away with every defining element or strength of said character, pretty much making them a different character? That's just a slap in the face & bad developing, to be honest... It's hard to believe they consider the thoughts/feelings/assertions of their fans regarding the future of their favorite games anymore & that's what really bothers me... I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't fall into your little, sophomoric "Character Loyalist/Tier Loyalist" rationalization... Unless you're merely looking to offend & instigate, then I've already given you far too much acknowledgment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31M_MdSVxV8#t=1m49s

lol at that guy who thinks I'm a tierwhore and implies I'm a bad player ... you should learn how to read and analyse words and put them in context .. ohh sorry forgot you live in Japan .. never mind then.

Also, I'm not American and not all Americans are tierwhores .. just if you didn't know

played Anji Mito in AC for three years and never un-mained him .. he is garbage tier in that game in case you didn't know

played Litchi in CT all the freaking time

so STFU

[ATGMantenbo]

So, if nothing cancels into Itsuu anymore, doesn't that kill combos? Am I missing something? Seems like 2C -> ItsuuA is a pretty important part of the arsenal, taking that out would be sad news.

remember CS loketests days ... we used to say no combos after DP would kill her combos

they gave her something else to combo off from which is 2C > itsuu

I believe the same thing would happen in CS2 .. just wait

Also LK, the 2C > 4D combo you posted seems to work only in the corner

[HeartNana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31M_MdSVxV8#t=1m49s

lol at that guy who thinks I'm a tierwhore and implies I'm a bad player ... you should learn how to read and analyse words and put them in context .. ohh sorry forgot you live in Japan .. never mind then.

Also, I'm not American and not all Americans are tierwhores .. just if you didn't know

played Anji Mito in AC for three years and never un-mained him .. he is garbage tier in that game in case you didn't know

played Litchi in CT all the freaking time

so STFU

The game has been out for a year in arcades. Spending 1 month learning combos isn't even that long and not worth getting mad about. I spent a month learning Makoto's parry loop just for them to take it out. I'm not crying about it either. I just recently learned some more advanced Noel combos, and those might be taken out/nerfed too. It's not that big of a deal.

And no, not all Americans are tierwhores, I never said that. I just told the tierwhores to cry moar. I don't care that anyone used Litchi or why they started using her, I just think it's funny when they threaten to switch characters just based off some changes at the first loc test (which doesn't always mean a lot), from a report from someone whose translating from a Japanese blog with absolutely no video footage. Overreact much?

And good job playing Anji and CT Litchi. As I said, I don't care about your reason for starting the character. But saying that you'll quit if she's garbage tier at the very sign of any nerfs is funny. My character, arguably 3rd worst in the game, looks like she has more nerfs than buffs at this point, but none of the Noel players are worrying about it cause we all realize it's just a loctest and not to overreact. Most of us also went through a heavy nerf already and dealt with it, so good luck saying "you don't know what its like to get a character nerfed"

Also, you're saying if they wait a year after they released BBCS to give the patch, that would be better? Are you actually complaining that they're updating the game and possibly making it better? Sure it might be a bit at the expense of your character, but you really want to continue to be behind Japan by 8 months again? Shouldn't you be happy at the possibility of being able to play the new version on console at the same time as arcades (is this even confirmed?)

I think you're taking the complaints out of context. People aren't upset because she could possibly go down a tier (Or several). I'm not even sure where you get that idea, to be honest; you're obviously bitter about something... I know for a fact it has nothing to do with that for me, personally... It's more that when you take a liking to the playstyle of a character, take the time to figure out everything about him/her & then Aksys decides to do away with every defining element or strength of said character, pretty much making them a different character? That's just a slap in the face & bad developing, to be honest... It's hard to believe they consider the thoughts/feelings/assertions of their fans regarding the future of their favorite games anymore & that's what really bothers me... I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't fall into your little, sophomoric "Character Loyalist/Tier Loyalist" rationalization... Unless you're merely looking to offend & instigate, then I've already given you far too much acknowledgment...

Well, I know what it's like to see your character eat the nerf stick, and not just in BB, but in other games, too. However, they ARE considering the fans. There's 15+ characters in the game. I'm pretty sure people who play the other 14 aren't too happy with Litchi's standing right now. Making her balanced actually caters to the fans as a whole. Were you happy when Nu got nerfed into Lambda? Of course. Does she have to be played differently? Of course, cause swords arent as strong. Some things are similar but others are very different. Considering we know close to no information right now, have no vids, and no firsthand reports, I honestly think that the complaints aren't warranted (tho this goes to any character) but when it's the top character getting nerfed to maybe mid/low mid at the WORST in a game where everyone is getting nerfed, i think it's less warranted.

And also, are you really saying that every single defining element and strength of litchi is being done away with? And that she has to be played like a different character? God forbid you have to change around how you play a character for a sequel. The thing is, your character isn't the only one that has to be played differently. Every character has to be played at least a bit differently. Also, I'm sure nobody complained when you had to play CS litchi different from CT litchi, with new combos and stuff (because CS litchi has way more tools). Why is it all of the sudden so bad? Try to look at it from a neutral standpoint, not from one character standpoint, please.

I just think it's funny that some people so pissed off about changes that, after good players analyzed it and thought about it, were found to be pretty fair.

A lot of Litchis are looking forward to a more fair litchi. If fair means she loses her "defining elements", then so be it. I'd rather have a fair game than a game where litchi has her "defining elements" but remains far too good.

Your post was at least worded well, even if I disagree with some of the content, so I tried to give you a serious, not trolling response.

[Lord Knight]

awww heartnana with the tough love

more updates coming!

[Cereal24]

heartnana, that is the truest thing in this thread

personally im a little upset after having to relearn litchi from CT to CS, and having to do it again in CS2, but ill live with it.

[Guardian]

A lot of Litchis are looking forward to a more fair litchi. If fair means she loses her "defining elements", then so be it. I'd rather have a fair game than a game where litchi has her "defining elements" but remains far too good.

10000xThis. Everyone knew these nerfs were coming, and when have devs in ANY fighting game just nerf someone 'a little'? I'll take balance over OP any day. A balanced character will make you think. CS litchi is just get the hit--->combo--->oki--->win. In CT you had to plan and think with her. If you didn't win with CS Litchi, then the joke's on you b/c it was your own fault in some way, shape or form.

[Chun]

Some of these changes suck, but the tier drop does put me at ease; no more accusations of tierwhoring, it's back to my loctest CT days... but it looks so bad for her right now ^^;;

Welp, time to make up damage in Resets!

[Kenny tuty]

The fact is, US litchi aren't good enough to make her S tier anyways.

We all are scrubs and drop combo. So taking off her ability of comboing doesn't really affect. lol

The nerf is surely boring tho. Taking off ittsu from her is stupid idea(yes, no jcc.)

we will figure something out, yeah. But the limitation is unnecessary.

But who cares, first loketest. We just need to write it down somewhere that arcsys can take a look.

which is not here tho. haha

[kenn305]

Still gay how she can't cancel into her itsuus and no more wallbounce like WTF!!! Plz nerf damage and heat gain or make her more ct-like.

[kenn305]

I don't mind if she gets nerfed down any tier but damn they are taking out so much things that I don't even think that's litchi anymore. But if they make her more like jam then I won't mind. But so much hours of practice relearning her in cs is going down the drain....

[Fugu]

My execution sucks, so it's going to take me months to get her new combos down, just like it did with CS. However, I'm excited about the prospect of having new ways to play.

[HeartNana]

Also, I wouldn't feel like everything you did in CS was wasted if they change some combos, because you got more of a feel of how the character moves and how far each move goes, what sort of thing is best suited for that situation etc, which is generally far harder to get used to than just a few combos. Sure some of that stuff might be changed too, but if you're good enough, you should be able to adjust without too much issue if you've been playing the character for 2 games now. Anyone can learn a combo, but not everyone can get in the situation where they utilize the combo. The time spent playing matches was more than just combo practice to many of you, I hope...

[ATGMantenbo]

Still gay how she can't cancel into her itsuus and no more wallbounce like WTF!!! Plz nerf damage and heat gain or make her more ct-like.

"Plz nerf damage and heat gain or make her more ct-like."

Exactly what I want. I don't want to waste another month of my life relearning her ... not all ppl who play fighters are 100% playing 24/7

I myself am a sophomore chemical engineering major .. my daily schedule is ultra tight .. even busy on weekends. My only chance at learning her was in the summer. and now they're gonna change the whole damn thing.

no matter where litchi is in the tierlist, I'll still main her but the quick and unexpected change pissed the hell out of me off.

My point, why only 5 months after US release .. I'd love to follow Japan but you should've released the game when it was first released in Japan. My only shot at relearning her is Chrismas but hell, I don't know if I'm gonna be busy at that time.

Also, I wouldn't feel like everything you did in CS was wasted if they change some combos, because you got more of a feel of how the character moves and how far each move goes, what sort of thing is best suited for that situation etc, which is generally far harder to get used to than just a few combos. Sure some of that stuff might be changed too, but if you're good enough, you should be able to adjust without too much issue if you've been playing the character for 2 games now. Anyone can learn a combo, but not everyone can get in the situation where they utilize the combo. The time spent playing matches was more than just combo practice to many of you, I hope...

well said

combos and some hitconfirms will change .. but the heart of playing litchi will remain

[Gil]

I remember Loketest 1 Rachel was much worse than the current CS Rachel. In other words, don't panic just yet. I don't think they want anyone to suffer the whole Rachel tier again. Even if that does happen, those that stick with Litchi certainly have my respect. It takes true dedication to play a character and knowing every match-up will be uphill. Here's to hoping Litchi does not become the new Rachel, because nobody deserves that.