Nakkiel Posted October 25, 2010 Posted October 25, 2010 Man you're lucky, if I ever said that I'd get flamed to hell in three seconds dead. That's basically it though, oh no, jC isn't godtier. How will I ever move on, other than, I don't know, using a different move? It's not as if jC has some amazing and unique property that makes it interesting or somehow suit Litchi's style, it's just a normal that's brokenly good. God forbid you might have to use 2C instead. Pressing down instead of up? World over guys. This is probably why you get flamed, because you don't know what you're talking about. We're talking about staffless j.C, not staff j.C. Oh and neither are even close to being overpowered. Was it broken in CT? Hell no. The damage she gets off a CH j.C is obscene, coupled with the fact that her rushdown is much stronger. It has nothing to do with the move itself (unless you want to get in to proration). And try to leave the sarcastic retorts/trolling out of the thread. I like where they're headed with litchi now ... itsuu second hit coming out on block is great for pressure, but does anybody know if it's RC'able? Itsuu is not RCable and AFAIK I haven't seen any changes suggesting this. However, it may be possible to 5D/2D on block, possibly even 4/6 kote. On the other hand, would they even have to block the second hit? I know that the first hits don't exactly have a lot of blockstun, it might be possible to IB and retaliate/jump out much like an Arakune 2D, but that's just speculation as we have no real way to test this since Itsuu doesn't fully come out on block.
ATGMantenbo Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 hmmm IB yomi Itsuu is a bit risky .. and IB one in blockstrings might be their way out unless they add tons of blockstun to it. and I'm guessing tagar is gonna become a potentially bad matchup if litchi's pressure depends on itsuu
Nakkiel Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 I don't see how it would become a problem now. Litchi's pressure will never be dependent on Itsuu (staff isn't supposed to be about all-out pressure anyways) as we still have other options. We don't need to lock Tager in blockstun to beat him.
Kenny tuty Posted October 26, 2010 Author Posted October 26, 2010 >>sG You are amazing, you saved my sanity. the post #123 is totally understandable for me now. I really thought I went crazy and can't understand English anymore. haha Man, I can sleep well tonight! and I like the change of litchi so far. She won't be as deep as CS in combo wise, but the reducing of total frames for setting the stick helps my style a lot. As long as she can do ~3C-4kote-2B-2C-JBJCJD-JC-6C~, she'll be playable.
Nakkiel Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Haha, no problem. And I can't really say I'm unhappy with the changes so far. Not being able to cancel in to Itsuu is obviously a blow in more ways then her combos, but it just means some options are less safe when too many of hers were safe. They're promoting staffless play from what I can tell, which is good for me in the way that I need to play staffless more anyways, I usually keep the staff unless I'm playing a matchup where I really need staffless.
Diveman Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 I guess if we want to use Itsuu now, we can do 3C, airdash j.B, Itsuu A.... also, they said 6B [m] lifts the opp on hit...I guess we could JC Itsuu A too...becase we arent technically canceling the 6B
Kenny tuty Posted October 26, 2010 Author Posted October 26, 2010 >>Diveman The answer is no. 3C-airdJB is not working anymore. and the second one, you are talking about ch right? in that case, we can do that.
Urichinan Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Obviously you guys weren't paying attention to the Loketest 3 and 4 threads, it has already been confirmed that you can NOT jump cancel into Itsuu.
Nakkiel Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 I wonder how they made that work without taking away jump cancels, I'm very curious...
Kenny tuty Posted October 26, 2010 Author Posted October 26, 2010 >>Urichinan I don't get it, who's talking about jcc ittsu here?
Nakkiel Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Diveman mentioned it in his post. Also Ken, 3C IAD j.B ItsuuA doesn't work anymore? How come?
KD Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Maybe I'm just not thinking properly right now but wouldn't "3C - air tech possible (no follow up)" have something to do with it?
Nakkiel Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Ah, I must've overlooked that one. I'm sure you can combo off of it still, probably something like 3C set j.BC since it's likely that it launches them like Jin's 3C does now.
Chaos_Kalibur Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Litchi is definitely a change for the worst but when we Litchi players win with crappy nerf. We dont have to worry bout getting kicked, H8mail or complaints
TheGreatReptar Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Litchi is definitely a change for the worst but when we Litchi players win with crappy nerf. We dont have to worry bout getting kicked, H8mail or complaints It's going to be great actually. I'll actually feel like I deserved wins, rather than just feeling as though I guessed right twice.
Dragonthorn Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Despite her apparent nerfs, based on the stuff you're still able to do I'm optimistic. The loss of comboability of 6A and itsuu hurt, but she still has some high damaging combos at least, j.C[e] untechability, and CH wallbounce.
Lord Knight Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 She still looks really strong And they (afaik) haven't nerfed Daisharin or Kokushi so. . . .
Nakkiel Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Yeah, I'm definitely not worried about anything anymore. I'm happy with j.C]m[ being untechable again and I'm looking forward to some of her new buffs.
Urichinan Posted November 15, 2010 Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) Location Test 5 changes so far: +4D > 2D > 66 > j.B combos *6D wall bounces on airborne opponents +Throw > ItsuuA combos (Didn't mention if it was forward or backward throw) Information taken from here : http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?10500-BBCS2-FINAL-SHOWDOWN-Loketest-5-Nov.-15th-Discussion/page4 Assuming that they didn't change her moves properties Throw > ItsuuA > 6Kote > Haku > Hatsu > RiichiA > IppatsuA > IppatsuB > 2D > Hatsu > Chun > Staff 2 > 6C(2) > ItsuuC(A pickup, not cancel, confirmed to work) > j.B > dj > j.B > j.C > j.B > Hatsu > Chun will work, on CS1 it does 3.5K, should be a good combo. And now for 6D theory combos 2C[m] > 6D(Second hit whiffs) > 5D > 66 > Hatsu > Chun > Staff 2 > 6C(2) > ItsuuC > j.B > dj > j.B > j.C > j.B > Hatsu > Chun might work. Edited November 15, 2010 by Urichinan
Nakkiel Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 j.C]m[ knocks down again so I'm not sure why you're listing out combos that don't end in knockdown.
Urichinan Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) +CH 2C[m] sends them opponent flying in the air (Hazama/Mu's 2C) and can be followed up with Itsuu while they're falling Seems like we are getting ways to use Itsuu again! j.C]m[ knocks down again so I'm not sure why you're listing out combos that don't end in knockdown. Because... -6B[m] and j.C[m] knock the opponent backward, but doesn't wallbounce -j.C is ground techable Back to C-Tier my boys. Ç.Ç Looks like they decided to nerf it again. Edited November 16, 2010 by Urichinan
Fugu Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 -6B[m] and j.C[m] knock the opponent backward, but doesn't wallbounce -j.C is ground techable Back to C-Tier my boys. Ç.Ç Looks like they decided to nerf it again. See Loketest 4.
Lord Knight Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 +CH 2C[m] sends them opponent flying in the air (Hazama/Mu's 2C) and can be followed up with Itsuu while they're falling Seems like we are getting ways to use Itsuu again! Because... -6B[m] and j.C[m] knock the opponent backward, but doesn't wallbounce -j.C is ground techable Back to C-Tier my boys. Ç.Ç Looks like they decided to nerf it again. 1. when was she ever c-tier 2. can you please stop being dumb and wait until we get real footage of her being played, i dont wanna have to link the CS1 changes thread for the millionth time
Nakkiel Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 See Loketest 4. Those are loketest 5 changes. So according to that, if it is true, j.C]m[ is techable. Again.
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