Switching from pad to stick - advice needed.

[tigerfist27]

(so cant make i mistake otherwise i wasted money on a stick), darn sorry for my crap english i was meaning: so i cant make a mistake, otherwise i wasted money on a stick

[4r5]

My god, wall of text. I'll just handel this one.

And buy the way if 2 players both are very good but dont know each other played with each other , one uses a pad the other a stick who would most likely win the battle?

The better player will win.

[Jet Set Dizzy]

And buy the way if 2 players both are very good but dont know each other played with each other , one uses a pad the other a stick who would most likely win the battle?

im sorry but lol whoever said there are no dumb questions was wrong because that sure was a dumb question.

stick will make frcs easier but one or the other wont win just cause their using whatever pad or stick. for example when i played kenji at the arcade i would have lost even i a had been using stick :razz:

PS EDIT:o yea and you don't buy the way cuz it's not for sale you "by the way"

[4r5]

I am thinking about purchase an arcade stick, since this topic is all about sticks. The thing is, almost all the 2d fighting games I’ve played were with a gamepad, and now I want to switch over to sticks.

The decision came from watching video matches of Guilty Gear and Hokuto no Ken. I’ve read all the topics here but I am still not satisfied. Here is why: What are the pros and cons of using a stick in reference to a pad? I know coming out of a dizzy is easier on the stick, I don’t think that would be a good reason for buying a stick. What are the other pros? What I found out is that people have difficulties in performing dragon punch moves. (for me very important)

Is it really true that you will become better after playing with a stick, why is that so?

I have no experience in choosing what kind of stick I should use. Hori Real Arcade Pro stick (Japanese style) or MAS Super Pro stick (American style) which is better? Because here all my friends are adapted to pads and buying one means ordering from outside of Europe-Holland, so can’t make a mistake otherwise I’ll waste money. Some good advice would be very welcome.

By the way, if two players, both are very good and don’t know each other, played with each other, one uses a pad and the other a stick, who would most likely win the battle?

Thanks in advance guys

Easier/less effort to be fast and precise with a stick, that is once you get proficient in using one. You won't get cramps and blister like on a pad, though there are ways of handling a pad so that that doesn't happen. One thing for sure, you get five nice responsive buttons, one to each finger.

Playing stick won't make you a better player, but it might let you play better.

Japanese sticks are, usually, square-gate, very loose, and low throw. The buttons are convex and light. American sticks are, usually, circle-gate, very stiff, high throw, and wobbly. Buttons must be smacked as hard as you can. And you must mash during every super, regardless.

The better player would win.

[tigerfist27]

think before you react Dizzynecro did you pay attention to some of the replys here and in other sites as well telling you will become better if you master a stick,i just want to know why. You say: im sorry but lol whoever said there are no dumb questions was wrong because that sure was a dumb question. Then why i am sorry to say you reply with a major stupid answer, you say; for example when i played kenji at the arcade i would have lost even i a had been using stick. Dont blame it to the stick blame it to your lack of skill. Your head is shaken (dizzy) a bit, at the arcade you only can use sticks! And if thats a joke, then its a very stupid joke, to LAZY to figure a smart one out. making fun of other people's questions because they dont have the info on it, and dont have any experience in the stick ''universum". excuse me for asking a sincere question. Mocking people? Well only UNINTELLIGENT people would do that. Buy the way ever heard of norms and values? i ques you don't, your nick says it all....

[Jet Set Dizzy]

they brought a tv cause my arcade doesn't have GG : (

PS you need to calm down.

this question has been asked tenthousandmillion times on other threads.

This sorta question should have been asked at http://dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=719 although if you read it chances are it has already been asked and answered.

[tigerfist27]

I did found some info here and read all of this thread about switching from pad to stick. But i still had questions. And yeah i am calm, i had the idea you where mocking me, i had to react. If i offended you in one way or the other it wasn't my intention.

[Jet Set Dizzy]

Easier/less effort to be fast and precise with a stick, that is once you get proficient in using one. You won't get cramps and blister like on a pad, though there are ways of handling a pad so that that doesn't happen. One thing for sure, you get five nice responsive buttons, one to each finger.

Playing stick won't make you a better player, but it might let you play better.

The better player would win.

4r5 sumed it up pretty well in that stick will be easier on the player in that it will feel better ecetera. but to say that some body would win just cause they use stick or pad is overgeneralizing. you win a match cause you play better.

also stick will let you play on a arcade machine if you ever come across one.

sorry i got you all worked up but the reason i said it was a dumb question is because the question itself implied that one or the other would win soley based on using pad or stick... you prolly shoulda asked would using stick over pad or vise versa make enoughf difference ...blahblahblah. sorry about draging this out but i realized i kinda came off as an asshole. not my intention....

American sticks are, usually, circle-gate, very stiff, high throw, and wobbly. Buttons must be smacked as hard as you can. And you must mash during every super, regardless.

thats hilarious btw.

[Koozebanian Fazoob]

American sticks are, usually, circle-gate, very stiff, high throw, and wobbly.

Only if you got a shitty US stick and not an awesome one are they overly stiff and/or wobbly. They do almost always have stronger springs than Japo sticks, and do require more force to make them move. You can get them with really light springs though, and I highly recommend to get these. Crappy ones will require larger degrees of motion to activate a switch, but ones that are setup well will be very close to the Japanese style sticks.

Buttons must be smacked as hard as you can. And you must mash during every super, regardless..

This I can't argue with. Of course I do this with Japanese sticks too though. :/

[tigerfist27]

I think i go for the american stick style, i want to know, feel what i am doing perhaps modify it, for better performance. i was kind of an asshole to, so lets forget all about this, thanx for the link buy the way. i dont know the site very well here, i posted my thread in the wrong place here, and the moderator redirected me here. If i knew where to look i would have more info about my questions. Without asking them again... And thanx for the replies guys.

[Jet Set Dizzy]

I think i go for the american stick style, i want to know, feel what i am doing perhaps modify it, for better performance.

i was kind of an asshole to, so lets forget all about this, thanx for the link buy the way.

i dont know the site very well here, i posted my thread in the wrong place here, and the moderator redirected me here. If i knew where to look i would have more info about my questions. Without asking them again... And thanx for the replies guys.

good. i actually prefer american sticks in almost everyway.

and i do mash buttons on every super by reflex, sorry my first serious game was marvel...:razz:

[fragile]

rofl I found this store in my country with about ~15 new namco arcade sticks for ~30$USD hehehe I had to get one >D finally a stick of my own and not my friend's

[Shinobiashi]

I just got a new stick a couple hours ago (a guy who worked at the gamestop happened to play and told me about this site), and well....wow, the transition is pretty rough. The last time I had bought a stick was for DOA4 the 360 stick, and the transition was, well, probably as smooth as butter. Although I'm still fairly new to GGXXS, with the pad I was able to use Millia to play comfortably at Maniac. I've picked up the stick now, and well....I can't consistently pull off qcb or qcf movements anymore >_>;; I'm not too sure if it's because GG just requires cleaner button movements, or because I haven't been practicing with GG lately (the whole reason I bought the stick was because my friend broke the square button on my only controller, and for the past week i've been playing MBAC with my friend's controller, or MBRe-Act, netplaying a friend but using an xbox 360 controller which only allows you to use the ANALOG STICK OMFGAR >_<) I'm pretty sure it isn't the stick itself though, because I tried MBAC with the stick and now I'm a lot better at it o_o;; It's very weird getting used to, mainly because some things are easier (at least for me) and others are harder. RCing and FRCing is loads easier for me (I know it isn't all that hard in the first place but I have small thumbs so it was sort of difficult), but qcf and qcb movements might as well be random at this point. For example, I can FRC Millia's HS Tandem Top every single time now, but actually executing the tandem top in the first place is a big problem. >_< I guess I need to practice o_o

[Ice Prince]

Haha, yes those stick transitions are rough. I'm quite content on my pad, as I can FRC/RC everything consistantly and don't have hardly any problems on qcf/qcb motions, though random goofs happen to everybody on occasion with pad or stick I'd say. Just practice I guess, that's really all you can do.

[Incendia]

Ok i am guessing here, but the reason why Shino isn't getting his QCF/B's could be because he's doing 26 instead of 236. Or 24 instead of 214. I had that problem for a very short while last time too, when i first bought my stick. So Shino, if that indeed is your problem, just be more mentally concious about hitting the diagonals ^^

[TittyFOFO]

I lose matches all the time for being a pad player. Most of them involve the other guy picking Slayer.

[Jet Set Dizzy]

I highly recomond this ps2 wireless pad as an alternative to the horrible default ps2 pad.

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When i started playing on this all of my pad problems disapeared. Nice raised buttons, good d-pad, not laggy(which is a worry with wireless controlers.) I really love this pad. Im still gonna switch to stick after a while anyway :P

[YaR 1030]

hori sticks are the best for ps2 use. : D

[Hatred Edge]

Lately I've been thinking about picking up a stick myself cuz of Tekken 5 and VF4 Evo and soon Tekkken 6 and VF 5 and DOA4. But I have the most trouble in picking a stick. I just read all 22pgs(yeah,yeah.I'm a loser..go f--k yourself) in the zepp museum on "Post your arcade stick". I liked what I saw but I know not a damn thing about what stick to buy or how to customize my own stick. Right know I'm on yahoo looking up sticks and I keep seeing the MAS Pro Arcade stick. I used to play analog then switch to pad (I couldn't run after GF FRC)so what stick should I start with? Where can I learn about customizing sticks? Cuz the Sols are my mains and I sure as hell want a Sol/HOS arcade stick. My limit is about $250. I need a excellent stick. I read that some people customized their stick with Sawna parts??? Help me out here!

[Koozebanian Fazoob]

The main choice you have is between Sanwa or Happ parts. Sanwa are the lighter fluffier Japanese types of sticks, Happ are the bigger beefier US style parts. Sanwa Stick: - Very light, very easy and fast to wiggle with (very useful for Virtua Fighter). - Short distance to activation. - Stick always returns to neutral when released. - Usually come with a square gate, better for finding diagonals. Octagonal are possible too though. - Requires a smaller mounting piece and has less internal mechanism so you can make MUCH smaller sticks with them. Sanwa Buttons: - Big hittable area. - Don't 'click' at all, requires less force to hit but has less restoring force. Worse for mashing 'claw' style. Happ Stick: - Typically heavier and always bigger. Has a variable spring strength so they can still be pretty light. Not so good for wiggling. - Short distance to activation, varies depending on the type of Happ stick though. - Due to stronger spring, if you let go of the stick while holding a direction, it can bounce back and forth a bit and activate the opposite direction (just hold onto your stick and it's never a problem). - Circular Gates are pretty much standard. Generally better for 360 characters. - Needs a thick mounting piece and is fairly large internally, so sticks will be larger. Well made Happ sticks can be used as a weapon in times of need. Happ Buttons: - Smaller hittable area - Clicky. Makes a noise when you activate them. Best way to figure out what you want is to try other people's stuff. I own one of each and go back and forth now and then. I have found lately that Happ sticks are better for me because I try and roll motions TOO fast and end up missing directions and messing up moves. An easier roll and stronger spring works in my benefit in this case. Hori sticks use knockoff Sanwa style parts. Some Horis are better than others... the Fighting Stick is absolutely terrible so do not get it. Real Arcade Pro is good if you get a real version and not the inferior Tekken 5 type. MAS sticks are very good but expensive and VERY large and heavy. It's possible to make a much smaller Happ stick yourself. Either kind of stick custom made will run you anywhere from ~80$ (if you do it yourself) to 200$ (if you buy one premade). Most people who will custom make you one charge in the range of 150$ or more.

[Hatred Edge]

thx G.Blood Okay here's what I got so far: shoryuken.com is the site for learning to customize your sticks. himuragames.com or arcadecontrols.com for parts. akihabarashop.com sells sanwa parts. MAS is good but heavy, so that's a no. Don't feel like carrying an XBOX... I don't mash..ever. Happ you said isn't good for wiggling? So, not good for stagger in GG/VF? You said to try out other peoples sticks but no one I know has a stick cuz Miramar seems filled with casual players or mallrats(power gay), so I can go to Flippers for practice. They have Capcom vs SNK 2, Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Tekken 4. But how do I know what parts they are using? You said that you use Happ lately for rolling motions, that means 236s and 214s? Sanwa is good for diagnols(great cuz that's what hurts me the most with Kyo in KOF) Few questions: What is restoring force? (feel real stupid for asking this)How does a stick hook up to a PS2?

[Koozebanian Fazoob]

MAS is very large and heavy yes. They double as step ladders and seats though which can be helpful at tournaments. Happ is not AS good for wiggling. The Sanwa sticks are just much lighter and have a smaller range of motion which makes them better for that job. I can see that making a big difference with VF. US arcade machines almost universally use Happ or Happ knockoffs. Tekken 5 machines use Sanwa or Sanwa knockoffs. Restoring Force is the force a spring exerts to return itself to a neutral position.

[Necrosis]

Sticks made with PS2 plugs, duh.

[shtkn]

Hatred Edge: Miramar? As in northern San Diego Miramar? If so, feel free to PM me and we can get some games in. I also have a happ stick and a sanwa stick coming in soon if you'd like to try them.

[Shinobiashi]

Alright, I have a problem. I'm trying to get down a (somewhat long) combo for Millia on #R with my arcade stick. The diagonals are still inconveinient. The part of the combo I'm working on (it's long so I'm doing it in parts) now is: 2H -> jump cancel (forward) -> instant air dash -> j.S -> j.H -> 5S© -> 2H Now the part that's giving me a huge amount of trouble (been in training mode 4 hour now) is the IAD. Problems: -The diagonals are bleh, so unless I'm careful, the stick will hit 8 before it hits 9 on the jump cancel, making me jump up and ruining it. This is part of the reason why I do 3H instead of 2H, I can just run my stick up the side and hit the 9 without hitting the 8. -Unfortunately this contributes to another problem: When I do 66 for the IAD, half of the time it will go too fast, and suddenly, Millia does an HS disc (even though I pressed 2H already, and no buttons other than that) -Other times I'll just be too slow and it won't be an instant air dash anymore, just an almost-instant-air-dash that doesn't lead to a relaunch and ends the combo >_< -Basically I need to 66 between the time that Millia suddenly jumps from jump cancelling and the time that...well...it's too late. This seems....virtually impossible to do from just looking at when Millia leaves the ground and reacting. I've tried counting (sort of) from after the 2H hits, but that doesn't help. I've pulled it off probably about 15 times now (in four hours), and I'm gonna need to pull off this IAD thing 3 times in the combo and I'm gonna need to pull off the combo like....pretty often. Can anyone help me out here or something x_X;;