New Guilty Gear?

[Wirya]

Yeah. Let' talk about Pot.

Pot is always the "tank" type in my mind. He should be more tank-ish (meaning that when he charges toward the opponent, he can't be stopped easily). Maybe give him a full-armored Hammerfall? A Forcebreak, maybe. But on the other hand, some of his stuff which aren't tank-ish should be nerfed. Nerf some of his invincible moves, like Slide Head. Don't nerf the combo-able property, but adjust the hittable box, make it bigger. To compensate, the Slide Head can have a 1-hit armor.

Armor, armor, and armor. Pot should have as many superarmor moves as possible. But nerf the invincibility. He shouldn't EVADE attacks (that's so not Potemkin, don't you think?), but EAT it.

[smooshman]

I play Slayer, yet I know for sure that Potemkin is not a hard character to fight...it is pretty flow-chart. But you don't think Eddie is a problem? Wtf T_T

I'd rather not fight Eddie, but I'd rather not fight pot even more.... the fight is really boring, just sit there and spam stun edge, crosses, FB's (and JS for johnny). I'm fighting to stay away from pot.... you can't approach pot. period, any real attempt to puts you in an area where you will die. atleast with Eddie when you get in you can hurt him. again as a Ky player it sucks to having to try and hurt a guy with the best defense modifier, with the worst damage in the game, and I hate it as a johnny player because......

[unsanctifier]

So you hate being able to zone him. I havel ike the worst match up in the history of ever against Potemkin. I get in close and do my damage. It is just basic elements of the game. Lots of yomi and oki though. Lots...

Eddie is funny 'cause he's like Litchi, one hit then all of a sudden you're trapped for ever.

[Wirya]

Any damage to the shadow should hurt Eddie. How's that?

[M.Song]

So you hate being able to zone him. I havel ike the worst match up in the history of ever against Potemkin. I get in close and do my damage. It is just basic elements of the game. Lots of yomi and oki though. Lots...

Eddie is funny 'cause he's like Litchi, one hit then all of a sudden you're trapped for ever.

zappa has always been worse against potemkin than slayer

and in AC i can't think of any chars that have harder time against potemkin than zappa and roboky

[Wirya]

Sol is in serious shit when he's facing Potemkin.

[smooshman]

zappa has always been worse against potemkin than slayer

and in AC i can't think of any chars that have harder time against potemkin than zappa and roboky

Johnny has a awful matchup against pot.... like the kind where you can't do shit.

actually pot's matchups are pretty polarized.

he either rapes or is raped.

[Wirya]

he either rapes or is raped.

AC Pot = Porntemkin.

[IronTager]

Any damage to the shadow should hurt Eddie. How's that?

I wouldn't be so sure about that personally. I mean, one of Eddie's weaknesses is his health. I think the shadow should take longer to recharge.

I think they should nerf his FB move personally. It takes up a large portion of the screen, usually he gets a lot of tension to spare cause of his ridiculous pressure which includes his shadow, it does really good damage if you don't block it (It's kinda simple to block, but it keeps you in blockstun so long and you almost always have to block it), and it lasts long enough to the point where his Shadow will be fully recharged by the time it's finished.

As for Potemkin, I won't really discuss that much. He's so odd. I agree with Smooshman though. Either you rape with him or get raped.

[Nakkiel]

knockdown from fullscreen and then losing like 60% of my health is pretty dumb

Yeah that's kind of why it's not actually in the game. What the hell, fullscreen in to combo? Slidehead into 60%?

And you know what? I totally disagree on all these nerfs people want to give Potemkin. I honestly think he is the most over-hated character in the game.

Make Heat Knuckle give him less meter (or just take away Gigantor loop period), and make Slidehead's active frames 1 instead of 3. Why does he get a bigger window to do the unblockable than you have to get out of it? That's all that really needs to get toned down.

[Wirya]

Yeah, Eddie's FB Drill is BS. They need to nerf it, AND buff the other FB.

[Sophisticat]

On the subject of new balance and changes, I'd be curious to know what ya'll think HOS needs since I main him and all, but am not that good at the game.

Personally, I've no idea what he does need. His range isn't that good, but it's not like he can't get around that. Maybe more ways to get charge, and a move that helps him get in on range characters are my guesses.

[smooshman]

On the subject of new balance and changes, I'd be curious to know what ya'll think HOS needs since I main him and all, but am not that good at the game.

Personally, I've no idea what he does need. His range isn't that good, but it's not like he can't get around that. Maybe more ways to get charge, and a move that helps him get in on range characters are my guesses.

charge save lvl 1 GF without having to do something to hide the D input.......

[Nakkiel]

All I think HOS needs really is a better f.S. His current f.S is really horrible and has no real use that isn't covered by a different move. Give him old f.S back!

GF? Do you mean gunblaze? There are so many ways to hide the D input that it's not even a problem. Fautless and then [D] works (can't do anything while fautlessing) and is very subtle. 214D~[D], backdash [D], 2[D], j.[D], Action charge [D]. It's really easy if you keep it in mind.

And to be honest, I'm pretty happy with his character design. I think upping his charge gain just a little would help a lot in the long run. I also think he needs an option to get damage on characters who aren't tall + standing (IAD loop). It'd be nice if there was a chargeless + meterless option to get 130+ and meter on EVERYONE, not just half the cast.

[qwerty]

pots fine, learn to play footsies

the only thing in ac that i think seriously needs to be toned down or removed is exebeast frc.

just saw this

Johnny has a awful matchup against pot.... like the kind where you can't do shit.

you're still playing day 1 ac, lol. pot vs jo has changed quite a bit since the days of 7-3. gigantor loop isn't even the beginning of the gay shit potemkin can do to johnny, lol, but if johnny plays smart it is most definitely winnable.

zappa, on the other hand...

[Seku]

I play Slayer, yet I know for sure that Potemkin is not a hard character to fight...it is pretty flow-chart. But you don't think Eddie is a problem? Wtf T_T

Slashbacks rape Eddie... assuming you use themz.

Yeah. Let' talk about Pot.

Pot is always the "tank" type in my mind. He should be more tank-ish (meaning that when he charges toward the opponent, he can't be stopped easily). Maybe give him a full-armored Hammerfall? A Forcebreak, maybe. But on the other hand, some of his stuff which aren't tank-ish should be nerfed. Nerf some of his invincible moves, like Slide Head. Don't nerf the combo-able property, but adjust the hittable box, make it bigger. To compensate, the Slide Head can have a 1-hit armor.

Armor, armor, and armor. Pot should have as many superarmor moves as possible. But nerf the invincibility. He shouldn't EVADE attacks (that's so not Potemkin, don't you think?), but EAT it.

Exactly, I don't understand why "Slow" characters should have high attack and defense. It's not a racing game, you are bound to get close to Potemkin sooner or later. But that's not the problem, his ridiculous high damage is what annoys me.

Yes, I am butt hurt by Poti

But you know why? Cause he is easy to play, and this is GG! Not SF :@ /rage

[Wirya]

@Seku:

I was just trying to make Pot more "in-character". Like I said, evading attacks is so not him.

[Seku]

@Seku:

I was just trying to make Pot more "in-character". Like I said, evading attacks is so not him.

Yeah and I agree with you.

Like what they did with Dizzy, they lowered her defense to make her "in-character".

[Valentine]

Pot Vs. Zappa isn't fun by any stretch, but at the same time, it's not completely unwinnable. Dog rapes pot, and as long as you dance around outside potbuster range, you'll be ok. 8f backdash is so hot.

FRC on summon is asking for the unobtainable, I know. How about instead we get a FB summon that is a hidden low attack in the same way that May can hide her dust, and it gives you a summon and +1 soul on hit. That way Zappa can have FB shenanigans and bait people with flashy lights and a safe on block summon.

I still want that throw invuln though :/ 5D works, but as far as dusts go, it's pretty obvious. It's not Venom/Jam subtle.

[qwerty]

Pot Vs. Zappa isn't fun by any stretch

i was actually talking about jo vs zappa, which should be over as soon as zappa gets the dog

[Wirya]

Sol should have his FB Fafnir improved. Better priority, maybe.

[Chrome Homura]

Sol should have his FB Fafnir improved. Better priority, maybe.

I can agree with this. That move is far too easy to stuff for a Forcebreak.

[Sophisticat]

All I think HOS needs really is a better f.S. His current f.S is really horrible and has no real use that isn't covered by a different move. Give him old f.S back!

And to be honest, I'm pretty happy with his character design. I think upping his charge gain just a little would help a lot in the long run. I also think he needs an option to get damage on characters who aren't tall + standing (IAD loop). It'd be nice if there was a chargeless + meterless option to get 130+ and meter on EVERYONE, not just half the cast.

Really, that's it? I thought zoners like Axl and Testmanet were a pretty bad matchup for him.

Well, you know HOS and I don't, so I guess it's all he does need.

[Kyosuke Kagami]

ZATO-SAMA~ is dead.

He shouldn't come back in the next GG. We need a new representant of HIS MEMORY.

A representant that isn't as bonkers

[Abominable K]

Thank God you guys aren't in charge of GG. The last thing the game needs is more easy mode damage setups.