dioxideUniversa Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I recall. Mostly they did not get updated to the combo thread, however, which is where they were intended to go.
mAc Chaos Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 If we end up needing to have them done for CP, then I'll use yours, don't worry. I should be able to get most from match videos, but it might be better to have them all as their own video. We'll see.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Best advice is use the matches, and then when we get the game use dioxide's combo clips as a replacement.
dioxideUniversa Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 If we end up needing to have them done for CP, then I'll use yours, don't worry. I should be able to get most from match videos, but it might be better to have them all as their own video. We'll see. Sadly, there is the new point of we don't want another pktzn repeat in our combo thread. I'd hope it not happen but it's something to consider! Either way, I'd be more than happy to do the recordings and I will have plenty of energy and excitement to do so with come CP release.
mAc Chaos Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) I forget: is there a reason to not ever use the falling j.2C oki in the corner. I never see that used, but back when I saw it the first time I thought it would be awesome. I never ended up using it either since I always just use 6A as oki, but it might help to not be predictable. Does it lose to rolls? It seems like it's safe VS DPs and a meaty otherwise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijKwoNp8p-A#t=1m40s Ah wait, I see you need to use Gurren apparently and leave the combo ending right there to go into it. Although you could just do 5C > Gurren at the end of a combo instead of 5C > 3C perhaps. Edited October 18, 2012 by mAc Chaos
dioxideUniversa Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 5c > Gurren is usually what I do when I use it. I use it on occasion, but I find the timing to be tricky. I haven't labbed it very much though. Timed correctly, it should catch rolls, I'm pretty sure...
TheBossGiga Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) I forget: is there a reason to not ever use the falling j.2C oki in the corner. I never see that used, but back when I saw it the first time I thought it would be awesome. I never ended up using it either since I always just use 6A as oki, but it might help to not be predictable. Does it lose to rolls? It seems like it's safe VS DPs and a meaty otherwise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijKwoNp8p-A#t=1m40s Ah wait, I see you need to use Gurren apparently and leave the combo ending right there to go into it. Although you could just do 5C > Gurren at the end of a combo instead of 5C > 3C perhaps. I think there are a few reasons actually 1.it uses an extra star for something for a setup that's advantages could be achieved without its use 2.Its kinda easy to block cuz even if you delay J.c a little to feint it and go into a low J.c's start up is a bit slow so and noticing the change in timing wouldnt be that difficult and because haku's airdash is so long you wouldn't be able to (kinda) safely airdash to screw with their timing and their heads. Also though it goes into a 50/50 you need 3mag to go into and this after using the star for the oki 3.This may not sound big but It gives the person alot of time to take in the situation and think. The setup has like no shock value at all. It is too recognizable, its gurren then a like three second long neutral high jump. it gives the opponent time to plan their move while they already know ur next. 4.I dont feel like testing it but maybe its possible that after a full combo they might be able to tech the gurren after the wallbounce. 5. This its biggest problem. It looks like it loses to late teching but even worse than that it also looks like it loses to no teching which if this is the case after they eat the J.c for like 3 dmg and a star their pretty much out of the corner(i wanna say for free but it did cost haku 1 star....) so you lost all that work putting them in the corner and ended up in the corner yourself for a star I cant test it to say for sure. But in the end it looks like a really bad setup to me. What i do in the corner after 3c in the corner is simply back up a lil and 2b. it catches rolls, if you time it right stuffs late techs into a full combo 5a(without meter) 236b(with), if they neutral tech u'll whiff but recover fast enough to 2b again of tsubaki em(its close enough to a 50/50 for me lol) and if the 2b is spaced correctly it beats most dp's( not jin's D dp though ). if you wana be really safe after 3c back up a little bit more and 3c, you have to react to rolls(if they forward roll they'll still be in front of you) also when you do this you cant confirm into a combo unless you RC and 236b immediately but its safe against all dp's. Im sure you all already know this setup though. its just not elaborate enough for you fancy pants Edited October 18, 2012 by TheBossGiga
mAc Chaos Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) It beats no teching, pretty sure, but it might lose to rolls and late teching. I thought of that too though, how it gives the opponent some breathing room. But if it's that hard to escape, it doesn't matter that much if they see it coming. Although it's true you need 4 stars to do mixup off it. 1 for Gurren, 3 for Tsubaki / Renka Kishuu. Edited October 18, 2012 by mAc Chaos
mAc Chaos Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 OK I just tested it. It loses to: a) late teching b) not teching c) rolling uh lol I must be doing something wrong.
TheBossGiga Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Oh i c. im sure it could beat rolls after you land just hit 2b so if they rolled you'd just hit em if they rolled forward if 2b hits em soon enough that it counts as a air hit you wont lose the corner if you have meter to 236b 623a to switch sides. If they late tech though you'll have less than decent oki the opponent might have an advantage depending on who your playing though. The thing is though if your OS'ing 2b to catch rolls, if they late tech your at a huge disadvantage so you'd have to decide either or (unless of course your fast). in that aspect its worse than regular 3c oki. Also its not hard to escape because they see it coming though. Really after you do it once they know the setup since its so obvious so if they realize they could just late tech it, it'd be a waste to ever do it again. imo its almost a gimmick. Again however i cant test it so i cant be sure Edited October 18, 2012 by TheBossGiga
dioxideUniversa Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 OK I just tested it. It loses to: a) late teching b) not teching c) rolling uh lol I must be doing something wrong. How would it lose to not teching? If they don't tech you just reset them like is shown in the video. I'll experiment with it next week if it's still relevant in the thread by then.
mAc Chaos Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 When I did it, it blue beat. So I'm not sure. Maybe it depends on Jin's hitbox. I was doing it to Tager.
Schneider-X Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 I must be doing something wrong. You have to delay the super jump a little, you want to do it after the opponent bounces off of the wall. If you do it too early, the combo meter doesn't reset if they don't tech. Iirc you need a really specific timing for it to catch forward rolls. Its still vulnerable to late teching, but you are theoretically safe. Regardless though, this doesn't work as well in Extend due to barrier pushing you out far enough that Tsubaki will whiff. I can't remember if Renka still reached or not but yea, I find its definitely not as good in Extend.
Sophisticat Posted October 19, 2012 Author Posted October 19, 2012 I prefer j.B for all things oki. It can fuzzy, has fast(er) startup, and leads to good dmg if it lands anyway. Much more handy, imo.
Tecta1Eastside Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 hackmen jb too good on extend. cant wait to play the cp version of hackmen.
Sophisticat Posted October 22, 2012 Author Posted October 22, 2012 Maaaaaaaac. I could use some of dat Tager fite knowledge you got. I'm working on upping my game for NEC. Beating Brice's Tager is going to be one of my challenges in the following month.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Care to pass out Tager knowledge in general? He's kind of a pain in the ass to fight.
CupofT Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Where do I start Can I suggest using the template in the matchup thread to start with? Using the template should get the general info BlackYakuzu wants. After that I guess we can ask more specific questions after putting your knowledge into practical use.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Well for starters, what options do you have at close range? Most of the time, I get grabbed before I can do anything, and Zanshin only works if you can predict.
Kriegdrache Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 j.C tager until he dies Pretend your playing SFxT RUN DAT CLOCK. But yeah, I tend to just zone Tager as much as I possibly can. If he gets in, I tend to just panic and press buttons. Matchup is pretty fun imo.
mAc Chaos Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) I still need to play Brice one day. It would be a lot easier to see things in action in an actual match. You guys should lend him an XBL stick and let him use Blade's account. :P I've seen him at majors before but every single time he gets matched up against my brother for a Tager mirror. It's like they want to get rid of the Tagers early. At least, I think that was Brice. Edited October 25, 2012 by mAc Chaos
kirbster Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Just come find Montreal's room at NEC and play Brice there. Get a converter too! Also fuck netplay
Sophisticat Posted October 27, 2012 Author Posted October 27, 2012 Brice hates netplay, the only way to do matches is offline. If you're there at NEC, then hit him up. And me too. I'll be there at NEC. I want to play Mac. :bad:
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