[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[BladeOfJustice7]

Yoooo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj_2BybUN58

Lol already been discussed Nolan, it's even uploaded on my channel.

EDIT: Fuck this games fucking netcode, I have to mash so hard for yukikaze -__- I need to go back and play marvel in order to stop complaining.

Edited December 17, 2012 by BladeOfJustice7

[mAc Chaos]

Who are you playing? It's usually not that bad for me.

[SansProtocol]

Yoooo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj_2BybUN58

I am personally waiting on the throw OD combos so I can confirm my damage before using 5 magatama. It's nice for that comeback factor but I sort of hate this.

[mAc Chaos]

Throw > OD > hop Hotaru > ?

[SansProtocol]

You can fit Tsubaki in there after the throw, I thought. Just wish I could test damage and different combo paths relative to the duration of your OD (100/50/25% health).

[mAc Chaos]

Yeah but Hotaru uses less stars. So why use Tsubaki if you can use Hotaru. Depends on the damage and untechability though.

[SansProtocol]

Yeah, I just would want to maximize damage in the corner and considering how much meter you get with OD, it's not too farfetched. Then again, it's all just theory.

[mAc Chaos]

Hm, I guess we would want to maximize damage before OD in case they try to burst. They can't burst after the throw, or during OD, and Hotaru would whiff through the burst.

So doing Throw > Hotaru > OD would be unburstable all the way through I think. And doing Throw > Tsubaki > Hotaru > OD would make it so they can only burst during Hotaru which would make it whiff and have us in OD next to them.

[SansProtocol]

Really? Seems like Hotaru would be nice burst-bait into a Shippu starter. That would do hella.

...I just really like Shippu.

[dioxideUniversa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMqHe637ydU#t=1m36s 6b red beating mid-combo ???

[itsme]

Oh yeah, the jbbs brought it up once before and I think during loketest too when people were saying they were able to follow it up with a 5A on characters like Tager. I think it's supposed to net you more meter though there's no confirmation on this matter since people seem to like sticking to 2C for their combo parts. I think it works because they're more at a higher elevation so your 5A hits them instead of whiffing them because the opponent goes too low.

[LegendaryRath]

Not sure exactly how practical 6B will be in combos, but it at least gives us something to think about.

[BladeOfJustice7]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19603349

[LegendaryRath]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19603349

Wow, you can astral hazama's drive now.

[mAc Chaos]

You can do that already in CSX and probably before.

[LegendaryRath]

You can do that already in CSX and probably before.

I should really try playing against Hazama more...

[mAc Chaos]

His chains somehow also count as a physical attack. If you Yukikaze it, he gets frozen.

[itsme]

So I guess this means we can only catch projectiles physically attached to the characters (Hazama's chains/moves, maybe Noel's moves, Nu's 5C?) and not Nirvana and the mom.

[Ctrlaltwtf]

It's not just his chains, even his 6C and Venom Sword activate it.

In other words it's the biggest troll in history against the biggest troll in history.

Hazama's Astral doesn't though, I guess that's something.

If you ever wanna mega troll a Hazama trying to AH you, use 6C on it. You'll make a Fumajin right on Hazama that he's forced to get hit by when his Astral is done.

Also random fun fact, being directly above Hazama making a Fumajin on his Astral will not save you from it.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Ctrlaltwtf

[Skeletal Minion]

Physical and projectile attributes are move specific. For Hakumen's counters, if they catch a move that has both, it counts as physical, thus putting the opponent in hitstop.

There are a few other moves like this in the game, e.g., Noel's C normals. If you time and space it PERFECTLY you can actually cut some of them, but it's tough since a Fumajin only appears if the game calculates that their attack won't hit you beforehand, so usually you'll trade or one of you just CHs the other with no orb.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Physical and projectile attributes are move specific. For Hakumen's counters, if they catch a move that has both, it counts as physical, thus putting the opponent in hitstop.

This. A majority of Hazama's moves are hybrid projectiles. The only move that isn't is is his astral which is a full on projectile.

In he video I posted I wanted you guys to note how you can't escape yukikaze if it catches your burst due to the new hit stop properties against projectiles.

[Ctrlaltwtf]

Mizuchi isn't either, thank god.

And I can't watch your vid cuz I don't have a nico account.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Jourdal will inevitably upload it and psychopass ate most of my internet bandwidth for the month (and I haven't even downloaded one piece yet :/)

[BladeOfJustice7]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19607570 karadaha d playing.

[Kunaki]

I didn't quite get the new Enma followups for his D moves.. How do those work?

And by the way... THE END HAS COME!