[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[LegendaryRath]

One of my favorite things about CP haku is how he can be more offensive based. Having more meter nearly all of the time will allow us to be much more aggressive once we get the chance. In Ex I would never consider blowing 5 magatama on Tsubaki > Hotaru. being purely defensive sounds boring and terrible. I prefer keeping people out just long enough to gain near full meter, followed by an assault. Fit's me better anyway.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Has anyone been keeping a note on the videos, I haven't added any in the video thread because I have to bandwidth left until about thursday/friday :/

@Rath or applying weakpoints on your opponent and subsequently hitting them and making your hits "super effective"

[LegendaryRath]

I suppose I can take a look through Jourdal2012 and pktazn's channel for anything related to Hakumen from like the last week, if that's what you're looking for. If it is, would you prefer I post the links in the video thread?

[BladeOfJustice7]

last 3 weeks would be preferred, I also plan on kakyuu's matches from GAMEacho, but that I can handle myself. Youtube's new search engine is kinda ass when it comes to dates, or I'd handle it myself -__-

EDIT: Oh and yes, post them up in the video thread. I can handle it from there. If I play the equivalent I watch matches it shouldn't mess my combos up.

[LegendaryRath]

Alright I'll see what I can do. Expect something from me later tonight or tomorrow.

[BladeOfJustice7]

It's fine no rush, I appreciate the help.

EDIT: dioxide are you upper east coast?

[dioxideUniversa]

I am US central. Also, sorry I sort of fell off with the video thread, didn't know what to do with half the videos being banned already and I haven't looked into ripping / reuploading since then :I

[BladeOfJustice7]

I am US central.

Upper central, middle central, or southern central? Just trying to gauge what type of connection we'd have on psn, you're probably the only person I'm interested in playing against on psn.

Also, sorry I sort of fell off with the video thread, didn't know what to do with half the videos being banned already and I haven't looked into ripping / reuploading since then :I

You shouldn't take any blame I'm the one in charge of the thread anyways, I'm the one with the OP, and the one who said they'd manage the Hakumen Video thread(s).

[LegendaryRath]

Just gonna mention that I'm down to play on PSN a lot of the time. I'm in Arizona, but it couldn't hurt to at least test the connection once. I get bored xD

Dioxide, after the last time we played I sent you a friend request.

Blade, there's nothing wrong with asking for help on threads. It shouldn't ever be the responsibility of one individual to manage something like that. here and there it's alright to get lazy :P

[BladeOfJustice7]

Blade, there's nothing wrong with asking for help on threads. It shouldn't ever be the responsibility of one individual to manage something like that. here and there it's alright to get lazy :P

If you know me personally, I excessively critical of myself. I'll try to keep that in mind bro

This is NEVER going to get old, mostly because it's actually not easy to do lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=LLC2sA9s-kXWPfVHCjtootZg&v=9-ffd4wgcvA#t=43s

I could see this as what the Tager matchup will look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6K-z9uoUoJo#t=256s

The nerf to 2d's grab range, let alone it being able to be blocked means we're going to have to be ready to use enma on tager's drives. Which is actually a buff, since you'll always have one star.

[BladeOfJustice7]

NO BACK DASHES ALLOWED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dWSkP-cakyQ#t=329s

[LegendaryRath]

NO BACK DASHES ALLOWED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dWSkP-cakyQ#t=329s

I was wondering when I would see some more OD shenanigans again. Always smile inducing.

[Tecta1Eastside]

Dang even i feel bad now for not helping out.

Trying to keep up with all the cp mu-12 vids is rough though.

you doing a good job blade and the rest of yall

[mAc Chaos]

because it further "forces" the false incentive that haku must be played rush down when thats not the case.

as much as that doesnt make sense, conversations with other players have proven this statement.

hes dumb now, he can rstd.

dont think like that, its no longer a forced playstyle, it is now a choice.

your choice.

especially now that defense in CP isnt horribly punished anymore.

no guard libra, no guard primers, just reactable guard breakers that require 25 heat.

also id still choose JC over 4C

What do you mean? He's dumb because he can RTSD?

A good post which changed my view of hakumen. It is true, being a strictly defensive character is what killed him in CT, he had no way of starting his offense and needed you to make a mistake.

Well, that's not all true. Most of his matchups were actually not THAT bad. Like, 5.5 and 6. But then you had the top tier which would murder him. Being defensive isn't automatically being bad or incomplete. He just had less ways to deal with zoners + they're supposed to give him a hard time anyway. If they wanted to make him more defensive without being weak they could have found ways to do that, instead of stressing his offense instead and ditching his original style.

I like CP Hakumen but I also kind of feel like he's a one combo character with that j.2C loop of his. I guess you could kind of say that with his older combo routes but he got enough damage from them without being forced to basically do that one combo or get nothing. CP Hakumen looked like he was solid middle tier until they found that one route along with OD stuff.

[BladeOfJustice7]

I was wondering when I would see some more OD shenanigans again. Always smile inducing.

Same here lol, looking forward to Azrael's OD shenanigans.

Dang even i feel bad now for not helping out.

Trying to keep up with all the cp mu-12 vids is rough though.

you doing a good job blade and the rest of yall

Thanks for the encouragement

What do you mean? He's dumb because he can RTSD?

You're misunderstanding what he's saying. People think hakumen is dumb because he can rtsd, but he's saying no, that doesn't make him dumb. You just have the choice now of being rush down oriented as opposed to his original CT design of strictly a defensive character.

Now you have a choice as to hwo you wanna play hakumen.

Well, that's not all true. Most of his matchups were actually not THAT bad. Like, 5.5 and 6. But then you had the top tier which would murder him. Being defensive isn't automatically being bad or incomplete. He just had less ways to deal with zoners + they're supposed to give him a hard time anyway. If they wanted to make him more defensive without being weak they could have found ways to do that, instead of stressing his offense instead and ditching his original style.

I like CP Hakumen but I also kind of feel like he's a one combo character with that j.2C loop of his. I guess you could kind of say that with his older combo routes but he got enough damage from them without being forced to basically do that one combo or get nothing. CP Hakumen looked like he was solid middle tier until they found that one route along with OD stuff.

hence why he was incomplete, he couldn't handle certain matchups. Because they didn;t give him the necessary tools to deal with them.

Yukikaze, soooo good (Russel Peter's voice): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUE5hoerahk#t=489s

[Tecta1Eastside]

isnt hakumen basically the same as extend with a new cross-up agito move?

his mix-up game isnt that great and still cost meter, he still does alot of damage after you save meter for awhile, like what else is new? besides OD combos which a good amount have good characters have OD combos as well. its your fault when hakumen hits you and your fault when he rapes you. IDK but that's my two cents

[mAc Chaos]

Yup. People just making extra salt for my fries.

[Errol]

agito being able to crossup isn't even half of what makes that move so good..

[Tecta1Eastside]

agito being able to crossup isn't even half of what makes that move so good..

Then what is it that makes agito good? I havent really watched too much hakumen recently.

[Errol]

Agito is massive + on block.

[mAc Chaos]

The crossup isn't a big deal. What I like about it is how you can go into j.B afterwards and use it for throw mixup.

But it's not like it's broken or anything. It's not even an overhead.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Jd is definitely comboable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Gq9n0hKWCq8#t=450s

[dioxideUniversa]

Then what is it that makes agito good?

everything

@Blade: South central. If you want to add me we can take it for a spin sometime; i am always willing to try.

@Rath: i literally haven't turned on my ps3 since then rofl ): i'm sorry!

[BladeOfJustice7]

Agito is the ketchup of Hakumen's moveset, you can just about put in anywhere, anytime, all the time.

Ridiculously plus on block (which means you can continue to pressure even if the opponent blocks it), difficult to AA it, very fast, can use it off a hop, causes cross up if spaced correctly, only requires one star, has projectile attributes, comboability off a CH, using it at the end of a combo gives you oki, pretty safe way of getting in close, barely even unsafe on whiff even.

That's all I could think of at the top of my head.

Did Zantetsu get a speed buff because I see 5c>zantetsu quite a bit lately, and those two don't normally link into each other like that. Also zantetsu seems to be blocked less than previous versions of BB. Just my observations though.

[itsme]

I think people are doing 5C>Guren>Zantetsu to combo, don't think 5C straight up connected to Zantetsu except on counter hit and maybe air knockdown or crouching confirm? Also, I think it's just because Zantetsu is being used a lot more compared to the previous game so it looks like less people are blocking it.