[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[Raziul]

It's probably already been mentioned in here somewhere, but that air dash j.B off of an Agito ender is gonna be hilariously fun. What would be the next thing you think once people start to learn to block it? Fake it and land for a grab?

[dioxideUniversa]

Dioxide and others willing to help her. Could you guys start compiling Hakumen CP matches from youtube and provide me important videos from nico douga? I want to get the video thread back underway, going through all these months would take too long (unless someone has been doing so) due to the sheer amount of videos that Jourdal has uploaded on youtube.

Also, Spark and mAc, could you guys start working on the matchup threads. Most of the matchups haven't substantially changed and I feel that mAc is best suited for the matchup thread since he's a regularly poster that has a lot of exprience with most of the cast. With him in charge the threads are less likely to go dead (like they always do in the Hakumen forums in each BB iteration). If mAc lacks certain knowledge, then he has me and other veteran Hakumen players to ask for help from.

Though I feel mAc and Spark should be more than enough to answer the questions of all new players and give a substantial rundown of each matchup in CP.

Spark, I don't think you need to archive the CSEX matchup threads though until 2014 when the game officially drops in NA.

Dioxide, we'll need you or someone else to record combos and tutorials for beginners, Hakumen's combos have changed drastically due to him no longer air dashing in his combos.

THE GAME IS COMING OUT THIS MONTH PEOPLE :D

GET HYPE FOR DAT UNIT COOKIE DOUGH!!!!

i exist

the main reason i stopped doing video thread things was because there were a lot of suspensions very early in CP's history which erased practically all of the hakumen videos

i'd be happy to record videos and i was planning to do so as soon as CP hit console, but unfortunately i am having trouble coming up with the finances to import CP :T

[BlackYakuzu94]

Something occurred to me after so much Extend, but how's our oki this time around? I noticed that we mainly have Agito off of air combos so how much advantage does that give us? And how is Oki on the ground?

[Raziul]

Can any of you all confirm if Hakumen's j.5C comes out faster in CP? It certainly looks like it in the vids, but if it's true, that'd be a nice quality of life change for me haha. Also does his j.B still have a minimum height in CP?

[Spark]

j.C's start up didn't change. Not sure what you mean with j.B, it never had a minimum height.

[mAc Chaos]

Maybe he means the lowest point it can come out while you're going up and using it. Like 5B > j.B in a blockstring.

[Raziul]

I keep running into a situation where I'm coming down, usually after teching, and I'll go for j.B and I can see it start, but I land before it comes out. Maybe I just need to hit the button sooner as I tech in the air.

[mAc Chaos]

That's not minimum height, that's just you landing before it finishes coming out. But I see what you mean: "What is the lowest height I can input j.B and have it come out?"

[someonewhodied]

if you do it a bit earlier so it comes out 5 or less frames before you land, that is the best way to do it. That way if your opponent DPs or Anti-airs on reaction, you land in time to block or throw out a counter.

[BlackYakuzu94]

My sides:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y7JBRm9I6yQ

[mAc Chaos]

So in preparing the combo thread, I realized I can't really think of any bnbs aside from that new juggle of his.

[someonewhodied]

Hakumen is a one trick phony midscreen now. His corner combos look cooler though. j.5C wallstick is pretty sweet.

And 5C(Airhit)>5C

[Nemesis]

He wasn't before ? Can't tell you how many times ive been hammered by the same obscenely long corner to corner carry combo ._.

[someonewhodied]

current hakumen has 3 optimal combo routes for corner carry and all of them work well -_-

[Spark]

The combo to get knockdown in the corner without Agito is pretty tough. Hopefully it isn't character specific.

[Raziul]

My copy can't get here soon enough.

Terumi decides to make 4C even more unsafe with his near instant rush DD.

http://youtu.be/bpZOhOi_-Po?t=3m50s

[mAc Chaos]

The combo to get knockdown in the corner without Agito is pretty tough. Hopefully it isn't character specific.

What is it?

Or do you mean the corner combos.

[dioxideUniversa]

The combo to get knockdown in the corner without Agito is pretty tough. Hopefully it isn't character specific.

i know which one but don't remember how it goes :I aaaaaaa

bnb loop is tricky, but it's feeling more natural already

[Spark]

In the corner 5C > 236B(1) > 623A > 6C > 2C > j.2A > j.C > 5C > 2C > j.2A > j.C > 5C > 5C (214A > 5C > 3C for extra damage). Getting the second j.2A > j.C > 5C might be character specific? You don't see it too much compared to just doing the j.2A > j.2C > 5A loop in the corner. It's nice because you don't need to spend the extra star for knockdown.

[mAc Chaos]

Is it 2C > sj.2A or j.2A? From the videos it looked like the j.2A was always off a super jump.

At least off his BnB loop.

[dioxideUniversa]

are you able to get the second j2a jC 5c on any characters?

i have an easier time with other starters such as hotaru (no fc)

sj.2a makes it harder in a majority of cases, mac

Edited October 24, 2013 by dioxideUniversa

[mAc Chaos]

why did you lie to me combo videos

any other combos worth noting?

[Spark]

I've done the full combo on Litchi. I haven't had a chance to test it on other characters yet.

[dioxideUniversa]

i felt like i could almost get it on ragna and jin, but i haven't had any luck yet

unrelated note: hakumen's english VA in CP is staggering. so much super sentai

levels critical etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgtOyJdxQA&feature=youtu.be

Edited October 25, 2013 by dioxideUniversa

[mAc Chaos]

What are the invul frames on that cat backdash.