C0R Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 My own fault, I didn't mean it like that. That particular implementation is rather obnoxious when abused. LUL HIGH POSTCOUNT, BETTER FORUM MEMBER
HiagoX Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Positive Reinforcement through "titles and badges" If you ask me, this is a terrible idea. You see, there's some other website I used to look at, and in there people got badges for whatever they were contributing for. Thing is: Most users started contributing not because they really wanted to contribute or help the community, they were doing it more for the fucking badges than for the community. Now now, do you really want this to happen here? In my opinion, Dustloop does not need such a system in which people only contribute and behave for some e-penis boost. I don't think that's the right way to work it out. You're not an admin, so nice try. rofl
qwerty Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 dustloop owns, just not bb general and sometimes character subforums ps anonymous bbs > forums but that's never happening so...
Nakkiel Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 I think the infraction system works fine. It's impersonal and leaves no public opportunities for jealousy (I think having user titles/badges would devolve into something akin to "why does this guy have a badge/title? I've done things too!!!") However, I believe that from what I've seen, infractions aren't handed out often enough. I see people get verbally reprimanded for trolling but are infractions really handed out all that frequently? If an infraction system is in place, everyone with access to it needs to really pay attention and be on the ball (users also need to report posts with offenses). One warning should be enough, regardless of the offense (bigger offenses obviously warrant steeper punishment, but there should be a baseline) and if the offense reoccurs again, an infraction should be given out no questions asked. Also, we shouldn't have to reward good posts to encourage good posts. IMO one of the best rewards is knowing that your information was useful to somebody and being thanked/acknowledged for it.
C0R Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 I do agree that the quality members who deserve such rewards in the first place are exactly that; quality members who don't need rewards to contribute and be a positive effect on the community. It just seems that the community as a whole (at least according to this thread), is dissatisfied. Admittedly people with issues are more likely to bring them up, but it seems to be in common agreement that something, somewhere isn't working. Perhaps there could be a more... divided system of punishment? 3 infractions - no posting for limited duration 5 infractions - tempban 10 infractions - hard ban Your thoughts? Just bouncing ideas off you guys.
Nakkiel Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Off topic: Just noticed you lived in WA. You should come to our thread in Match Finder.
Ssuusshhii Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 i implemented a policy where if you get enough infractions you are automatically tempbanned. how many infractions does it take you may ask? well each infraction is worth 1 point, and if you get 5 points, you get banned for a week. infractions disappear after a set amount of time (depends on the type) i can change these values / policy if ppl disagree with it and offer solutions. of course for extraordinary cases of stupid, we can take banning measures and whatnot more quickly So yeah, I'm a hypocrite. I infract when the mood strikes me, and I post things that probably deserve to be infracted. This has always been the case. Am I the only one who sees the problem here?
dragontamer Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 If you ask me, this is a terrible idea. You see, there's some other website I used to look at, and in there people got badges for whatever they were contributing for. Thing is: Most users started contributing not because they really wanted to contribute or help the community, they were doing it more for the fucking badges than for the community. Now now, do you really want this to happen here? In my opinion, Dustloop does not need such a system in which people only contribute and behave for some e-penis boost. I don't think that's the right way to work it out. A valid concern. I too have been on forums where it was poorly implemented. Which is why you can only give badges to humble members of the forum. Keep a close watch on new badged users, and if they can't take the responsibility, take it away from them. In the end of the day, assholes who work for the system are more manageable than assholes without a system. It'd be great if everyone just worked together, but the point of a system is to take people who are normally assholes and modify their behavior for the betterment of the forum.
Black Onslaught Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 why would it be a good idea to throw badges out to niggas when they contribute and help others ( what they're supposed to be doing in the first place ) the point is this isn't pokemon nigga, if you're not contributing, correcting a mistake or asking an intelligent question then you don't have any business in the gameplay forums
dragontamer Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) why would it be a good idea to throw badges out to niggas when they contribute and help others ( what they're supposed to be doing in the first place ) Because people don't know that they're supposed to be contributing and helping others. The sorry state of BBG is a constant flame / troll fest. You can't teach a dog with pure punishment. You can't teach a community with only infractions. the point is this isn't pokemon nigga, if you're not contributing, correcting a mistake or asking an intelligent question then you don't have any business in the gameplay forums You clearly haven't been to Smogon. They've managed to distinguish themselves as a premier competitive community, and quite frankly, Dustloop has a lot to learn from them. http://www.smogon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=144 Look at all of the non-stickied topics. You may not know competitive Pokemon strategy, but the entire first page is filled with indepth analysis of various Pokemon, attacks, and metagame discussions. Even from people without badges. The Smogon admins have fostered a mature competitive community. Granted, Smogon has numerous advantages. For one: an expert player can just issue a challenge over the internet and give a beat-down to any n00b who thinks he's the shit. Theorycrafting is discouraged and "stupid shit" is only tolerated if you have the battle-logs to prove your strategy. Dustloop doesn't have any of that, because expert play cannot be done online. Edited October 28, 2010 by dragontamer
farranpoison Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Such is the difference between a RPG turn based game forum and a fighting game forum... Honestly, there should be like a mandatory read of the forum rules for each new member that signs up, and one with "YOU WILL GET FUCKING BANNED IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THESE RULES" in huge letters on top. Too many people are posting dumb questions without looking at threads first, like the whole fucking Beginner forum area. There should be something that tells you where to ask questions, and what kind of questions are approved. "XXXX is not a smart question" vs "XXXX is a good question." And also there needs to be a rule like NO NON-EXPERT OPINIONS IN A THREAD THAT IS CLEARLY ONLY FOR TOURNEY/EXPERT PLAYERS. Like the motherfucking Matchup thread. And thus, no more "What would you want in CS Patch" or "wishlist" threads. EVER. I fucking had aneurysms reading those kinds of threads, the posters in there were so stupid. I actually lost vision in one of my eyes for a week.
Black Onslaught Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 First of all I don't think you can compare the level of competition between Pokemon and Guilty Gear/BlazBlue and expect me to have a straight face. Second of all BlazBlue General is not a gameplay area, it's for all the misc. shit that nobody wants to see and is gathered in a spot nobody who's serious (lol) about BlazBlue goes to. IMO, the Video Discussion and Video Posting thread should be moved and stickied to the BlazBlue Gameplay section and we can just delete BlazBlue General. Third of all if a dog doesn't learn after you punish it, it's time to -put that dog down- before he shits on your couch. YOUR COUCH, my friend. ( don't take me literal on the put down part , I love dogs, go america ) W
farranpoison Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Honestly BO, dragontamer is right. Even with children, punishment only goes so far. People, animals, whatever; they all respond better to positive reinforcement. And Smogon being a Pokemon forum is a non-issue; it's the fact that people are being mature in that forum and the mere infrastructure of how the forum works is what should be admired and what Dustloop used to be originally reaching for in the GG days until BB came out. I do kinda agree that BBG should be deleted, though. So fucking useless. Instead there should be a link that says OHC FORUMS in huge letters. >___>
A.X.I.S. Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 badge system sounds solid. it would seperate all the contributors from all the people who doesn't contribute and it can be easily set up in a way where some random shrub can't get them without being consistent with it. also yes I agree with banning blade from gameplay forums, every time I see him post a shit storm appears. lastly no rep system...for god sakes no.
Black Onslaught Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Rep system is a terrible idea, I point to SRK for examples. I'm still against this badge system, like Hiago said you'd have niggas posting just for the sake of getting a shiny new gym badge. The reason smogon works is because getting bodied in Pokemon irl = getting bodied in Pokemon in netplay, there's no lag for pressing Thunderbolt nigga.
killionaire Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 I second the notion that a rep system is a bad idea, as it sometimes puts more focus on the system than is necessary. I've seen in a couple cases the situation go so bad that more people were banned from karma system abuses than actual abuses.
C0R Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) I'm pretty sure no one actually proposed a definitive rep system. I may have been misleading in my original post where I mentioned it, but I believe that was clarified later on that page. In the end of the day, assholes who work for the system are more manageable than assholes without a system. ^I'm pretty sure that discloses every "They'll do it for the shinies" Argument. If user X benefits the forums with a continued series of gameplay mechanic updates and major contributions, who cares about his motive? Edited October 28, 2010 by C0R
farranpoison Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Rep system is a terrible idea, I point to SRK for examples. I'm still against this badge system, like Hiago said you'd have niggas posting just for the sake of getting a shiny new gym badge. The reason smogon works is because getting bodied in Pokemon irl = getting bodied in Pokemon in netplay, there's no lag for pressing Thunderbolt nigga. Pokemon should be the one response to all internet fights. "GET AT ME NIGGA" "Internet Troll wants to fight!" If user X benefits the forums with a continued series of gameplay mechanic updates and major contributions, who cares about his motive? This, so much.
Black Onslaught Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 If user X benefits the forums with a continued series of gameplay mechanic updates and major contributions, who cares about his motive? fine, but if this turns into some gooty hodown for badges I'm gonna roll up on your house with my laptop and go : " you know you done fucked up, right? "
dragontamer Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 fine, but if this turns into some gooty hodown for badges I'm gonna roll up on your house with my laptop and go : " you know you done fucked up, right? " I don't deny it. It will happen. Some people are that arrogant. It happened in Smogon, and it probably will happen here. So the question is: would you rather have assholes trolling and flaming each other, or assholes flaming the mod team for not giving them a 10x10 pixel image next to their name? One of these problems is ignorable, while the other problem is not. Plus, all of that complaining can be thrown into a thread, outside of the general discussion forums. Just make an "Official Badge Nominations thread" where that shitstorm happens and infract anyone who discusses badges outside of that thread.
C0R Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 If DL, for any reason became a gooty hodown for sparkles and shinies, you'd probably find me dead from too much facepalming.
Black Onslaught Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 alright, alright. I get what you're saying, you've obviously thought this out and since other niggas are fine with it, I guess it's not too ridiculous a suggestion. ..but if it fucks up shit, we -gon- find you.
ZONG_one Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Ay I'm gonna get all them badges, get the fuck at me.
Black Onslaught Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Ay I'm gonna get all them badges, get the fuck at me. the gooty hodown begins with Bieber Ketchum
A.X.I.S. Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 BO's posts are the funniest shit in this thread. also the system is setup to prevent nigga's from getting shinny pixels.
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