[CSE] Platinum Critique Thread

[Moy_X7]

Couldn't they just jump cancel Hotaru on block or did they get rid of that in CSII? I've played a shitload of Hakumens and I'm now just starting to question that lol. In addition to jump canceling, they can just use Drives to fend off untimely punishes. It's one big mindgame playing this guy.

[Yggjrasil]

they can just use Drives to fend off untimely punishes.

this is why Dream Sally oki is extremely dangerous to use against Hakumen, he can 5D you and put you in the corner, and that is the last places you want to be against him or he can do 6D > Mugen combo for I believe 5-6k...

[CakeWasBannedd]

day two CSE play for me

how am i doin guise

[iora]

day two CSE play for me

how am i doin guise

Im not the best, but my opinions...

dont do j.2c in pressure so much, you can get blown up for it

in neutral, like if no one is doing anything your feeling it out, you fish with very greedy moves

if you midscreen combo into 3c, add on 22c then bubble. its free damage

other than that looked pretty good.

[CakeWasBannedd]

Im not the best, but my opinions...

dont do j.2c in pressure so much, you can get blown up for it

in neutral, like if no one is doing anything your feeling it out, you fish with very greedy moves

if you midscreen combo into 3c, add on 22c then bubble. its free damage

other than that looked pretty good.

crapton never punishes j.2c even if i whiff, which is why i was doing it so much. if he starts punishing it ofc i'll stop

greedy moves like what?

if i do 3c 22c then bubble they can just IB the bubble on wakeup and punish, not a good idea to do that

[Cirno]

ok im lookin.

j.2c stuff is fine, i'd suggest j.b (> j.c) > j.2c for safety, also canceling into swallow moon > j.b during j.2c if you think they'll continue to respect you. if they catch on and respect you a lot, j.2c > swallow moon > barrier cancel > 2b.

a bunch of stuff wasn't optimal but iirc you don't have even your own copy so it's plenty understandable. aside from that your neutral wasn't too bad, you seemed to be playing really safe, but if you went in more you could have probably got a lot of j.c counterhits. also, 2c AA nerf (head invul starts on frame 9 now) means 6a is better in some more situations. could have likely pegged him with it

alsoo at 3:56 you won that round right then, if the proration is low enough to use 3c after the second mami you can use CDT without it dropping. CDT > rc > bubble > 22c > 22c still works in this situation, naturally

if i can think of anything else i'll edit

[excelence]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P0vggosEig&feature=youtu.be

Me after 2 hour squirrel session ... practically playing Plat without her item orz

Mu match up advice is very much appreciated and thanks in advance

[Yggjrasil]

1st Match: You did a lot of random/wakeup Mami Circulars. That is bad, please stop doing that. When it comes to Mu, use 2B, 5B, 3C to catch her. Don't just throw out Mami Circular. That's really bad. Other than that, in the first round you had hammer and opted not to do the hammer loop in the corner against Mu, kinda curious about why you didn't go for it...

2nd Match: That burst in the first round was very bad... omg...stop doing random Mami Circulars...

3rd Match: Again you have hammer but yet you don't do anything with it. Nice conversion off of 6B in Round 1.

All I have to say is, work on optimizing your combos and hitconfirms, stop doing random Mami Circular, work on your mix-up a little bit better, and use your items more.

[excelence]

@Gamma: Thanks for watching & comment :yaay: ... apparently i got brainfart on that 3 set ... on 1st match, i just realized i got hammer after i won, 2nd ... i also want to cry on that match orz. On the 3rd .... i didn't see the hammer *again and the missile ... should have go MJ combo punish on Mu whiffed reversal

I'll work on optimizing combos and hit confirm more, that 5b hit>5c whiff on Mu Back dash is a huge waste on my vid >_<.

[Moy_X7]

Pretty much what Gamma said, gotta work on your hit-confirms and combos, gotta stop doing random Mamis. The one time where I would recommend using raw Mami against Mu is when she's doing 236D. You gotta watch her stein placement so that you don't get tagged during Mami yourself. It sure as hell beats waiting for her to get a free mix-up.

[Tiger]

I suppose this is an example of my current platnium, I'll be posting more videos as I continue on playing. It's still bad but slowly improving

[MikelAL93]

Some critique for my Platinum would be welcome, but I guess I still have ways to go before I can consider myself "decent."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhqVobgKdl0

[Yggjrasil]

*hears ENG Plat*

*closes video immediately*

*tries watching again on mute*

*random Mami Circulars, Air Persias without any hitconfirms and Dramatic Sammys from fullscreen*

Holy hell, were you drunk while playing this? But seriously, please for the love of god, if you're seriously plan on playing Plat, stop doing all of this stuff.

[Cirno]

uhh, what ggj said. just.. watch a single jp platinum match and evaluate/compare the two. the random mamis, complete lack of hitconfirmablilty, lack of even extremely basic bnbs.. try tutorial mode/challenge mode before playing again.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Cirno

[Fujiwara]

Well, this is it. Tear me apart so I may rebuild.

Now, things I'm going to note early:

Whenever you see me do a 6C outside of a combo or frametrap, it's because of a miss input. I often 6C instead of 3C on this shitty dualshock. This problem will be solved whenever my stick gets here.

This was a bad connection (A 1). I'm considering just not playing netplay until this modem is here.

This looks really mashy from me, but I don't normally press random buttons like that. If you see a 2C outside of someone IAD'ing at me, that's another misinput.

I think that's it for clarifying stuffs... I have a lot more matches I want to be seen from other players, mainly a lambda that was giving me a hard time, but I'll have to find a way to record those later.

For the combos, I know how to optimizing -all- of her combos off whatever starter. But, online, ending in 5A > 6A is more consistent than 5C > 6A, or extending into the 4.4k+ regions of a 5C starter, which I DID try once, but it got teched at my attempt to 6A > 6C > 22C to get the extra damage.

If I don't anything after a 2C, it was because of either me doing 236B or 214A/C maybe too early? I dunno, but that's the first time I've ever done that in a match...

Netplay, yo.

That's that for clarifying stuffs.

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Now, onto me tearing myself apart.

I found myself trying to bait his DP's, but only managed to read one. I figured he'd try to DP out of TK Swallow in the corner, but wasn't ever getting my attempts to bait rewarded.

I jump and do falling J.C -way- too much. I've began to rely on that for cross-ups and overall feints that I'd hit the ground or something to get em blocking low.

I have -no- excuse for doing Mami's on block. Honestly, offline, I never do those, but netplay makes me feel like I can.

Against that Ragna, I derped out on that last match. Don't know what happened, I usually beat Ragnas.

That..fucking Hakumen loss....was...ugh...why did I fall into that?

The second round of the first match, where I could've killed him... I don't fucking know what happened there. I was going for the basic bnb in my head, but my fingers did other stuff for whatever reason? whut? I don't even think I could call that a misinput because I don't know what the fuck happened. Same with the end of the third match. The flipping balls was I doing? 3C > Astral? wat

There are a lot of fucking misinputs here. I cannot wait to get a better connection.

I'll leave the rest to you guys. Every single bit of criticism will be appreciated.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Fujiwara

[Daisy-Fan]

Was a nice video by the way!

[Moy_X7]

Well I mean, you already saw most of the mistakes that you made from watching your own replay. I could point them out but you're already aware of most of them.

As for 22C > 5A, I don't recommend doing that easy mode thing. With 22C > 5C, you can tack on a lot more damage if you have a melee item. 5C > 5D (Pan) > stuff, 5C > Hammer Loop, 5C > j.D (Bat) > stuff all boost your damage output by quite a bit. 22C > 5C is a must. In reality, you should be doing 22C > 6A but at this point just worry about 22C > 5C.

j.C is something that should be abused but don't be too obvious with it. j.C cross-ups, wat? How do those work? None of Plat's jumping attacks (except j.D Hammer) have a hit-box that would make them good for cross-ups. Spam j.C during neutral but not so much during offense. There are much better options out there for Plat if she wants to open someone up.

[Fujiwara]

I've managed to get it to actually cross-up sometimes xD J.C, I mean.

No, offline, I optimize all my combos. It's just that on netplay, during laggy conditions, I'm hitting 5A > 6A easier and I don't wanna waste a chance to get a knockdown.

On better connections, I'll try 5C > 6A > Stuff off a better starter.

Not being able to grab 5k off CH Mami in the corner irks me a lot. Not being able to optimize combos annoys me.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Fujiwara

[Moy_X7]

Not being able to grab 5k off CH Mami in the corner irks me a lot. Not being able to optimize combos annoys me.

Once you get your modem, you should be able to do them without much of a problem. I can do those just fine as long as the input delay isn't too strong or as long as a random lag spike doesn't hit me in the middle of a 22C combo lol.

[Daisy-Fan]

I like to show my replays games, but i believe a lot of you will find this really noob or not good, after all i will try to post them.

[Starlight777]

I like to show my replays games, but i believe a lot of you will find this really noob or not good, after all i will try to post them.

You should post them here if you want to. It shouldn't matter if you mess up a lot on the footage since the point of this thread is to help other players.

[Daisy-Fan]

please go easy on me but feel free also to giving tips i really do needed, also getting Extend soon.

Edit: sorry just notice my video were less 5minute, i dont understand why, i will fixed. give me a sec will bring the links soon

here we go. there 3 more either.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Daisy-Fan

[Fusionist]

You seem to be new to the game. It's important with Platinum to be close to your opponent and pressure them with your attacks. But don't use attacks like Mami Circular or your down C move unless you combo into them. If your opponent blocks those attacks, you'll be in trouble. Also I saw you press a lot of buttons randomly in the middle of the screen. You can't mash random buttons in BlazBlue to win. You have to learn combos. I saw you do a good combo in the corner but you need to know how to combo in the middle of the screen too.

So basically, don't do random attacks. Learn how to combo into your bigger attacks from smaller ones. It will help if you go to Challenge mode. But don't worry if you keep playing and learn from watching other people play, you'll start improving.

[Daisy-Fan]

Thanks for the tips, i will totally working on it.

[Daisy-Fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejGMwfp81N8

Terrible sorry for Double post, like to share about this video out there, just wanted to show about what i know a bit of. if so i still need to get work on it.