Reioumu Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 I believe it actually is. Maybe false info, but I think so. Isn't 6D special cancelable now or something weird?
SlyStrife Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 It was said the 5D and 6D can cancel into any move on block, so I guess that would include specials as well. Jump cancel is not available on block though... only for 2D.
Justice7541 Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 So long as I can meaty with OS 2D again.
Reioumu Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 It was said the 5D and 6D can cancel into any move on block, so I guess that would include specials as well. Jump cancel is not available on block though... only for 2D. 5D and 6D don't gatling into anything, so that's why I was wondering. 6D was never special cancellable before, only jump cancel on hit.
DaiAndOh Posted December 13, 2010 Author Posted December 13, 2010 So Bang has 2 primer breaking blockstrings like Tager, and can do decent damage with a rapid'd command grab, plus D nails to basically make said string happen.
huey253 Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 the problem with bang is that his normals have massive pushback. 5A 5B to 5C won't even work as a blockstring lol
zeth07 Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 the problem with bang is that his normals have massive pushback. 5A 5B to 5C won't even work as a blockstring lol Yea, but are we talking all of them or just 5B? If 5B is still -1 on block I don't think it'll be a huge deal if we have to go for the overhead earlier in a block string or at least off of 5A>2A>5C or 2A>2A>5C or even just 5A/2A>5C. Isn't IBing supposed to be not as good, which in process makes 5B better (among others) if it stayed at -1, so you should be able to do the staggered pressure still without D Nails if you can keep em honest. I'm still waiting for videos of some good Bangs or at least videos from a few weeks from now before I really worry about anything. If not, I have no problem with low tier again lol.
crystalwind Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 (edited) 5D 6D cancel into any moves means that you can cancel into like 623B, 623C, or his distortion drives. (fixed) Edited December 14, 2010 by crystalwind
zeth07 Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 (edited) Just watched a new video (that I haven't posted up just yet since I'm making note of the matches and at what times): 5D by itself didn't launch the Hazama in the air like it used to. 5D went directly into 623B it looked like, didn't even look like it was jump canceled since he did it really fast. Match vs. Platinum: (Near Corner) j.C>5A>5B>2B>6C>j.D>2B>623B>Ashura = 4,402 Damage 5C>5D>623B combo'd. Another Match vs. Hazama: 5C>6D>623B worked in a block string. Edited December 13, 2010 by zeth07
huey253 Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 bang's 5B is plus on block but its a bit slower
DaiAndOh Posted December 13, 2010 Author Posted December 13, 2010 6D is now fast. 6D is no longer takes primer . *glares at Tager* seriously?
Dacidbro Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lP4RMHinaM Concerning this video 3:05 Dnails seem to be much less effective in resetting pressure, without instant block Hazama mashes 2A relatively easily 12:30 jD counter hit has legendary hit stun, you could probably combo that to STEEL RAIN. Lol 15:40 Air Dnails hit opponent downward! Incentive to use Dnails against an aerial opponent for oki Also, throughout the video, unable to confirm a hit off Dnails. May be very strict timing or impossible. Almost certainly a reduced level OR TWO on Dnails. But that just makes sense. Why isnt anyone using 2B 5B.. Edited December 13, 2010 by Dacidbro
Reioumu Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 Man... if only 2C was still untech... We would have shit like 5B 2B 2C 2B 5B air combo.
Dacidbro Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 We still have something like that on jD, jD 2B 5B jB j4C jC, or something similar. Not bad at all.
Justice7541 Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 5D 6D cancel into any moves means that you can cancel into like 236B, 236C, or his distortion drives. Wait what, did you mean 623B/C? 236B/C would be him canceling a ground move into his nails... in the air. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lP4RMHinaM Concerning this video 3:05 Dnails seem to be much less effective in resetting pressure, without instant block Hazama mashes 2A relatively easily They must be level 0 or reduced hitstop now then. 12:30 jD counter hit has legendary hit stun, you could probably combo that to STEEL RAIN. Lol Bang confirmed for hype. 15:40 Air Dnails hit opponent downward! Incentive to use Dnails against an aerial opponent for oki Also, throughout the video, unable to confirm a hit off Dnails. May be very strict timing or impossible. Almost certainly a reduced level OR TWO on Dnails. But that just makes sense. Level -1 attack: Opponent gains 2 frames if hit by it. Why isnt anyone using 2B 5B.. Cause they are scrub. The second Bang that played the Hazama could easily have done 623B RC 623B at any time for free guard crush, but no he has to RC at the most obvious possible moment and go for command throw. Honestly from what I've seen Bang's damage seems respectable considering he gets 1-2 seals off everything and free corner push. I think the bigger issue that NO ONE DOES A FULL COMBO. Must be CS bandwagoners that missed the boat to Jin City.
Dacidbro Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 If Dnails are level 1 right now, I will admit that my statement of them possibly losing 2 levels is pretty awesome No guard crush is free if your opponent has guard bar, that Bang probably knew enough to know that and saved his meter Bangs aren't doing combos because they are still experimenting. They rehauled him so much, there is much to be learned. Whoever that Hazama was figured shit out quick though, that was pretty amazing.
Reioumu Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 Dnails seem like they're also a longer startup, unless this guy TK'd them too slowly or something.
crystalwind Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 Wait what, did you mean 623B/C? 236B/C would be him canceling a ground move into his nails... in the air. I meant 623B/623C
Dacidbro Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 I believe he got a new move, 236B. That is probably what Crystal is talking about.
crystalwind Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 I believe he got a new move, 236B. That is probably what Crystal is talking about. Of course not lol!
Dacidbro Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 :[ Just wishful thinking. I wish he had the feint he got in UL form.
rei-Scarred Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 I don't feel like checking the changes, but I don't remember seeing Bang 5B as air unblockable there. It definitely is though. ^^
Reioumu Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 Translated combos from the wiki http://www14.atwiki.jp/sisigamibangu/pages/139.html 5A>5B>2B>5D>Daifunka 2800 2Ax2>5B>2B>5D>Daifunka 2100 5B>2B>623B 1715 5B>2B>6C>j.236C>5C>6D 2311 5B>2B>6C>j.236C>5C>6D>623B 2549 5B>2B>6C>j.236C>5C>6D>Daifunka 3475 5B>2B>6C>j.236C>5C>5D>Daifunka 3377 5B>2B>6C>JD>2B>5B>JA>JB>J4C>J4C>JC>j.236A 2700？＋Poison Corner 5B>2B>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>5B>6C>J4C>JC>j.236A 3977 + Poison 5B>2B>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>Daifunka 4786 2B>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>5B>6C>J4C>JC>j.236A 4144 + Poison 6B（Counter or RC）5B>2B>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>Daifunka 4556 5C>5D>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>5B>6C>J4C>JC>j.236A 3472 + poison 5C>5D>Daifunka 3369 3C（Counter or RC）>2B>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>5B>6C>J4C>JC>j.236A 4195 + poison 3C（RC）>5C>6D>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>5B>6C>J4C>JC>j.236A 4727+ poison 6D>Daifunka 4005 623B>Daifunka 3613 j.623B>Daifunka 4825 623C>RC>5C>6D>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>5B>6C>J4C>JC>j.236A 5400 + Poison 623C>RC>5C>6D>623B>5B>6C>J4C>j.623B>reverse Daifunka 6300
Reioumu Posted December 14, 2010 Posted December 14, 2010 All damage + proration data known so far from the JP BBS 5A 200 P1 63 P2 84 5B 640 P1 66 P2 91 5C 860 P1 45 P2 91 5D 680 P1 ？ P2 100？ 2A 150 P1 55 P2 81 2B 620 P1 73 P2 88 2C 650 P1 73 P2 86 2D 850 ? 6A 380 P1 62 P2 90 6B 580 ? 6C 920 P1 79 P2 95 6D 850 ? 3C 880 P1 66 P2 90 JA 180 P1 77 P2 78 JB 560 P1 83 P2 62 JC 650 ? JD 750 P1 55 P2 50 J4B ? J4C 600 P1 80 P2 89 B+C 1500 P1 72 P2 55 4B+C ? (probably same are normal throw) Air throw ? 623B 1300 P1 64 P2 91 j.623B ? 623C ?
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