[CS2] Jin Changes from CS1 Discussion

[Ice Cube]

is it just me or did they buff j.B's cross-up hitbox (5:43 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykXTAj7hgz4)

[Linear04]

IIRC someone said something about j.b being CT level good again

[trini1212]

looks like 3C ice car works jins looking good especial since mosty of the others got nerfed

[Partialartist]

I wonder why gaga ends his air combo with 3 ice...

and always try to reset with 6C in the corner.., and most times it hits them... I wonder why

Well, the Tager was mashing. The Makoto probably just hadn't seen that reset setup. I was talking about it, a while back, but switched to ending with a high j.D and trying to reset with 5B. Less heat cost and the ability to continue pressure vs. higher damage and favorable trades. Either way, air freeze oki is looking pretty good, with the added air unblockables.

Edit: Oki's probably the wrong word for it.

Edited December 11, 2010 by Partialartist

[Moy_X7]

In a video I saw of cs2 jin's 5B was air unblockable (air fd only)! That's pretty important, I thought it was his 5C that was air unblockable.

Yes sir, I'm pleased to know that his 5B received air unblockable properties. On the other hand, 6D no longer having the ability to remove primers really sucks.

[Jourdal]

Yes sir, I'm pleased to know that his 5B received air unblockable properties. On the other hand, 6D no longer having the ability to remove primers really sucks.

Yeah but it could destroy characters with little primers...we cant have EVERYTHING

IIRC someone said something about j.b being CT level good again

Stunedge said its more because his jump got faster, but it could be that again.

[koun]

Stunedge was jins throw damage reduced because in the CS2 vids his back throw did 700 damage?

His back throw did look like it had a longer freeze time.

623D did 1209 dmg CS1 but in the CS2 vids it did 1428 dmg.

[Dragkonias]

So happy that Jin's jump is faster.

And with most of the other changes.

[Ryudrake]

If j.B is CT good again does that mean we can do the 5C>j.B>j.2C> vortex again? Also is 6A being used a lot now?

[trini1212]

If j.B is CT good again does that mean we can do the 5C>j.B>j.2C> vortex again? Also is 6A being used a lot now?

its not as good as ct that combo only works on tager in cs

[Partialartist]

Has the 2C > j.B variant, that was used for Bang, been tried?

[xlolxlolx]

looks like 6c's new p2 is going to make most combos deal less damage

[Moy_X7]

I think 2A's proration has changed, it is now possible to do 2A > 5B > Sekka-Jin > 6C > 2D > (dashing) 6B > (dashing) 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C. 6C whiffs after Sekka-Jin in CS1.

6A being air unblockable is lulz, my previous comment that shat all over 6A is now revoked. 5B > 6A gatling, primer removing and air unblockable properties, as well as presumed frame advantage make 6A a move that shouldn't be taken all that lightly.

[xlolxlolx]

big list

Jin stuff

5B starter

5B(2)>5C>sekkajin>6C>2D>6C>214C　2780

5B(2)>5C>sekkajin>5C>6C>dc>JC>J2C>JD>6C>214C　3054

Corner

5B(2)>5C>623B>6C>6D>6C>dc>5C>hjc>J2C>214C　3224

5B(2)>5C>623B>6C>6D>6C>dc>5C>hjc>JC>jc>J2C>214C　33 33

5B(2)>5C>623B>6C>6D>6C>dc>5C>hjc>J2C>J214D>6C>214C 　3584

Tager only

5B(2)>5C>jc>JB>J2C>JC>5C>jc>JB>J2C>JD>5B(1)>3C>214 C 　2887

Crouching only

5B(2)>5C>6C>dc>5C>hjc>J2C>JD>Air Dash>J2C>JC>5B(2)>2B>5C>3C 3009

623D

623D>632146C　3082(On Valkenhayn）

623D>6C>6D>5C>hjc>JC>J2C>jc>J2C>J214D>6C>214C　3753

623D>6C>623B>6C>dc>JC>jc>J2C>J214D>6C>214C　4227

623D>6C>623B>6C>dc>623D>6C>6D>5C>hjc>J2C>214C　4529

2D starter

2D>6B>sekkajin>6C>214C　2388 28% meter gain

2D>6C>5C>6C>dc>JC>jc>J2C>214C　2690 25% meter gain

2D>6B>sekkajin>6C>dc>5C>hjc>J2C>J214D>6C>214C　3021

2D>6C>5C>6C>dc>JC>jc>J2C>J214D>6C>214C　3094

Ground throw

4or6BC>(4BC needs a small dash)>6C>dc>5C>6C>dc>JC>jc>J2C>214C　2229

Air throw

BC>6C>dc>5C>6C>dc>JCjc>J2C>J214D>6C>214C 3449

6C

6C(ch)>dc>6C>2D>6B>sekkajin>6C>214C 3738

6C(ch)>dc>6C>2D>6B>sekkajin>6C>dc>5C>hjc>J2C>J214D >6C>214C 　4378

6C(ch)>dc>6C>2D>6C>dc>6C>dc>JC>jc>J2C>214C 4046

6C(ch)>dc>6C>2D>6C>dc>6C>dc>JC>jc>J2C>J214D>6C>214 C 4457

6D starter

6D>6B>sekkajin>6C>dc>5C>6C>dc>JC>jc>J2C>214C　3517

6D>623B>6C>6D>623D>6C>6D>5C>hjc>J2C>214C　3964

2D　p1/p2　70/92⇒ 80/80

J2C　p1/p2 100/85⇒ 90/85

JD　 p1/p2　80/80⇒100/80

6A　 p1/p2　80/89⇒ 70/92

6D　 p1/p2 100/92⇒100/80

throw damage　1680⇒700　p1/p2 100/35⇒ 90/55

※back throw has the same proration

623C damage　1000⇒1300

J236D　p1/p2　85/90⇒ 90/90

623D　　　p1/p2 100/92⇒ 90/92

236236D　p1/p2 100/90、40⇒100/100、60

632146D　damage 800+150*22+1000(guaranteed 1020)⇒800+150*22+780(guaranteed 976)

　　　　　　p1/p2 100/97⇒ 88/97

6BC>5C>214B

6BC>2D>5A>5C>214B

6BC>2D>5A>5C>5D>D無双>6C>214C

Sekkajin combo(when going from midscreen to corner)

5B>5C>sekkajin>6C>dc>small dash>5C>6C>6D〜

2C(FC)→C→6C→2D→6B→C→2C→6C(dc)→C(jc)→JC(jc)→J2C→214 B

You can do J214D→6C→214C at the end instead.

Meterless should be approximately 3800, 25% meter is about 4000 I think.

[xlolxlolx]

didn't see this on shtkn's post so....

B吹雪の受身不能時間大幅増加、地上ヒットならばダウンするほど長くなった、立Cや屈Dで拾うことも出来るように

623B 's untechable time greatly increased, ground hit would be until they're knocked down, can follow up with 5C and 2D

B吹雪の下方向の攻撃判定消去、各キャラのしゃがみに当たらないように

623B's low hitbox removed, won't hit any crouching characters.

6Aヒット＞紫投げは可

6A hit>purple throw; for lulz i guess

[Moy_X7]

623B untechable time - nice, I can foresee combos that carry to the corner, something like 5B > 5C > DP B > (dashing) 5C > 6C > Corner Stuff. DP B > 2D will be a nice change of pace but I wonder if you have to dash before 2D or if you go straight into 2D.

623B no longer hits crouchers - combos on crouchers that used to go into DP B in the corner are going to lose a bit of damage, other than that, it's not that bad since 6A can't be special canceled on hit.

6A > Throw - some people might be mashing or sleeping on you, why not? I guess it would be better to go for a tick throw or further pressure, can't really comment too much on that without knowing how much frame advantage (if any) you get after landing 6A.

[shtkn]

6A > throw on hit existed in CS1 (and i think CT as well).

[Moy_X7]

Lol, not like anyone would go for it since 6A on hit leads to some nice combos (CS1 and CT?), that's one thing that has eluded me all this time XD.

[xlolxlolx]

i think he listed it because you cant special cancel 6a so might as well try to get a throw off it

i think 623B>2D will be kinda hard to space out correctly and not sure if its even possible in midscreen

[trini1212]

wait so those 6A sekkeijin work? or not all we get is over head into notting?

[Moy_X7]

^^ No, 6A only cancels into throws on hit, you'll have to RC in order to combo off 6A.

[trini1212]

omg "cry" so jins has no way of mixing ppl up with out meter

[Yuushiro]

stun said to me that 5C has so much better vertical range..

can be used as reliable AA because of that.

[Moy_X7]

Oh yeah, 5A (AA) > 5C > 2C > sJC > j.C > j.D > Air Dash > j.236D and DP C(CH) > (dashing)5B > 5C > 2C > sJC > j.C > j.D > Air Dash > j.236D cross-ups here I come. It should work wonders with 5C's increase in vertical range. I have to thank Gaga for that mix-up, way to turn low damage into 2.7K.

[xlolxlolx]

wonder if 2A>5B(2)>sekkajin>dash 5C>2C>sjc>j.B>j.C>j.D>air dash j.D crossup works