Raiza57 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 I have just now rewrote this list with more elaboration and once again im just trying to help the community so people please dont try to destroy this thread it is meant to help like i stated before if you do not need this thread and do not offer assistance for this thread please dont post here
huey253 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 You are a disgrace to grammar, a net-player, and a complete and utter moron. You helped nobody except people like me to become a few minutes closer to death due to stress on the mind. Yes, it would kill us to be nice all the fuckin' time. Do you know why people? We have threads for people to ask questions, beginner guides, character specific threads, even an entire thread for every single match-up from either character's point of view. We have threads by people like Lord Knight who are known in the community, who offer real advice and can also communicate in a non retarded manner. You are a dirty moron, Raiza. Again, you have helped nobody. As it was said before but clearly needs to be reiterated - listing a bunch of terms doesn't do shit. You have no obligation to be writing a noob guide, nor the qualification. You are NOT helping the community in anyway by making a hurr-durr thread of what we already probably have other threads by people of respectable levels. I hope one day you sit down on Bang-nail and catch on fire forever. no need to flame bro, i think he got the message in the first two pages. i think....
qwerty Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 unsanctifier lookin like calvin, raiza lookin like the chevy logo.
Chsal Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 I have just now rewrote this list with more elaboration and once again im just trying to help the community so people please dont try to destroy this thread it is meant to help like i stated before if you do not need this thread and do not offer assistance for this thread please dont post here It would probably help a lot if you rewrote it with proper spelling and grammar. And directed it towards some sort of target audience. Right now, long-time players already know this stuff, and it isn't particularly helpful towards noobs either. (Eg. Definitions? Being new to fighters I don't know what footsies are =(. Among other terms. )
Raiza57 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 sorry im not good at spelling or grammer but ok. this thread is target towards the intermediate players who knows some of what there doing but not nearly enough. so this is here to provide the base that good player must have. To answer your question about footsies i'm not completly sure but i believe it is constant pokes in a neutral game (where neither player has control of the fight) in an attempt to gain pressure. if you have any other questions please feel free to post
Rhiya Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 NEUTRAL FUNDAMENTALS: fundamentals that apply and are required to execute all fundamentals -DECISION MAKING- plain and simple making good or bad choices in any situation -REACTION SPEED- The speed of which u can SEE something and do something about it. This means NO prediction, prediction is guessing. A) You NEED to make guesses sometimes to keep people out. Unless you're a fan of letting people in for free and run train on you, once they're ~half a screen away or less, keeping them out is more about prediction than reaction. B) You're implying that anyone even fucking bothers to play neutral online in BB. I can think of like 5 players who have actually bothered to play neutral online
Raiza57 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 A) Prediction is not needed to keep people out, reaction is. I.E. you should SEE the over head, you should SEE the slow low, You should SEE the approach. The only time u need prediction is when u baiting something while your on the offensive like a dp or a burst. B) Thats nice
Rhiya Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) A) Prediction is not needed to keep people out, reaction is. I.E. you should SEE the over head, you should SEE the slow low, You should SEE the approach. The only time u need prediction is when u baiting something while your on the offensive like a dp or a burst. B) Thats nice A) Once you're in pressure, good job, you just FAILED to keep them out. And SEEING the approach? Oh, you. If I want to AA, I have to throw out 2C, but, even if I see them jump, I need to guess if they'll do one jump or two. If I try to wait for the second jump, they'll be in by the time I would've AA'd. If I toss 2C for jump one, and they do jump two, THEY'RE IN. Such a pro understanding of neutral game, Raiza. Maybe you should play it more. EDIT: And protip: MOST LOWS ARE TOO FAST TO REACT TO. Read the goddamn frame data. Edited January 20, 2011 by Dusk Thanatos
WolfCrimson Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 BB stands for "Block low, react to highs-Blue."
Lord Knight Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 A) You NEED to make guesses sometimes to keep people out. Unless you're a fan of letting people in for free and run train on you, once they're ~half a screen away or less, keeping them out is more about prediction than reaction. B) You're implying that anyone even fucking bothers to play neutral online in BB. I can think of like 5 players who have actually bothered to play neutral online EVERYONE plays neutral when they aren't blocking or doing pressure, even if they are bad at it.
Rhiya Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 EVERYONE plays neutral when they aren't blocking or doing pressure, even if they are bad at it. Okay. Played neutral like not-idiots.
Raiza57 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 Dusk to slove your anti-air problems you should wait till they swing not wait till they get close. Also about the low thing i said slow lows that are meant to make u stand up as if its a over head like bang's 6a. Everyone should know to crouch till over head is seen thought that was obvious.
bbq sauce Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 unsanctifier lookin like calvin, raiza lookin like the chevy logo. xD
advancedNoob Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Rofl, why is everyone so negative toward raiza? You people need to realize that even though he plays online, the only difference is combo timing... Net players still, day-by-day, gain better understanding of pressure, blocking, improve reaction and anticipation. I can bet he will own the same people he can own online, offline, after 1 hour of practice in no input delay environment. So how do you deal with players that barrier block, thus push you away, your pressure and as soon as you are pushed far enough, they just jump away from. This completely resets my pressure game...
KayEff Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Net players still, day-by-day, gain better understanding of pressure, blocking, improve reaction and anticipation. I can bet he will own the same people he can own online, offline, after 1 hour of practice in no input delay environment. And then there's Pisces.
Airk Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Netplay owns Video has nothing to do with netplay. That's silly. That's just two bad players. They could just as easily be in the same room. Anyway, I think there -could- be value in this sort of thread, but this implementation is not very good. Edited January 20, 2011 by Airk
St1ckBuG Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Rofl, why is everyone so negative toward raiza? You people need to realize that even though he plays online, the only difference is combo timing... Net players still, day-by-day, gain better understanding of pressure, blocking, improve reaction and anticipation. I can bet he will own the same people he can own online, offline, after 1 hour of practice in no input delay environment. So how do you deal with players that barrier block, thus push you away, your pressure and as soon as you are pushed far enough, they just jump away from. This completely resets my pressure game... BARRIER DEFENSE This thread is pretty gdlk. Raiza, making a list does absolutely nothing. If you wanted to put some effort into this you should write a complete guide on the fundamentals of an air-dash fighter, and then record videos explaining exactly how to apply these fundamentals and how they affect gameplay (I mean, how are people going to actually learn this stuff if we don't spoon feed it to them?). Personally, I wouldn't want you to do it, but rather someone that knows what they're doing and doesn't play Bang.
qwerty Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Video has nothing to do with netplay. That's silly. That's just two bad players. They could just as easily be in the same room. uhm you see the joke is that one of the players (pisces) plays exclusively online and the other player (me) plays offline and was just trolling the shit out of him. it also helps that pisces is known for being an incessant shit talker and general poop head. ps if that was offline that match would have been over in 30 seconds.
Raiza57 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) To answer advanced noob's question if there constantly barrier blocking your pressure on the ground then u should try to incorporate grabs in to your pressure. Because if there just holding barrier block and you grab them from my experience they have to release barrier block and break the grab to stop it which is more diffucult. Also what i do is i keep doing tap pressure (when u stop pressure on a frame advantage move then run in and continue pressure) till their barrier gone since it drains quick. And to stick bug the video thing sounds like a good idea ima see what i can do btw bang has nonthing to do with my fundamentals, these fundamentals aplies to basicaly the player not the character. Edited January 20, 2011 by Raiza57
Airk Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 uhm you see the joke is that one of the players (pisces) plays exclusively online and the other player (me) plays offline and was just trolling the shit out of him. it also helps that pisces is known for being an incessant shit talker and general poop head. That's nice. It's still largely indistinguishable from two people with no idea what they're doing flailing around on the buttons. (Disclaimer: I got bored of watching after about a minute, so maybe there's real trolling after that. :P)
advancedNoob Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 BARRIER DEFENSE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM Raiza, good point, thanks.
Alzarath Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 I'm pretty sure qwerty knew what he was doing lol. ... I have no idea what raiza just said.
Raiza57 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 The video in advancednoob's reply was entertaining. Unfortunately i did not learn much when it comes to my grammer. (i just tried really hard btw)
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