Dacidbro Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Haha.. I also just really, really like playing Tager. I have the most fun playing him of any character.
Manta Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Haha.. I also just really, really like playing Tager. I have the most fun playing him of any character. Finally someone understands us. Tager also has the biggest troll potential of any character.
Koopa_Klawz Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Yes....I know who you are from Nate's youtube channel. huh? im not on xbl though so i doubt you could find me in his videos. how did u find me?
A.X.I.S. Posted July 6, 2011 Author Posted July 6, 2011 Haha.. I also just really, really like playing Tager. I have the most fun playing him of any character. Tager is very satisfying, especially when you win. Because you not only feel great but you make the other player feel like crap in the process. Thus why he is a S tier troll character.
Dacidbro Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Finally someone understands us. Tager also has the biggest troll potential of any character. Actually, I just like him because when I call something out my opponent dies, unlike Bang, where it doesn't even matter if I know what's about to happen on defense, I have no option.
FlyingVe Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 WELL You've come to the right place. Tager is and forever will be low to bottom tier. Confirmed by Mori himself! He commented that "the easier characters are supposed to be generally worse, in terms of power [and we messed up with Noel and Makoto]", spoken at Revelations. Really... Mori is making my mind hurt so much... A characters difficulty should be intrinsic, not artificial, and should have no bearing on their power level. I thought this was design 101.
Dacidbro Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 I would imagine they designed the characters first (Calamity Trigger) then re-balanced it (CS1) Then realized the easy characters being nonsensically powerful (CS1 Bang) wasn't fun for casual players, and wanted to rebalance it in a way that most characters are mostly equal, just where easy characters tend to be underwhelming if anything (CS2 oops noel makoto)
FlyingVe Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Wasn't trying to suggest it's an easy thing to do. It's just the idea that an easy character should suck because they are easy hurts my mind.
Dacidbro Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 I think they recognized that Potemkin single handedly pushed every casual player out of Guilty Gear and wanted to avoid that in future games. Even though he wasn't broken. Just.. bad matchups against grapplers makes casual players fucking -rage-
FlyingVe Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Actually, bad matchups with grapplers even among better players is pretty frustrating (See twins vs Zangief). But I get what you/they are saying. Maybe the solution is to avoid the pure grappler archetype in favor of hybrids ala Abel, Wesker, Cyrax, or even Bang. Edit: Having to use DL through a proxy is annoying... Edited July 6, 2011 by FlyingVe
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Did you really say Cyrax? I think you meant to say someone like Jax, sir. Also, I think that is bs. I hate when fighting game companies muff the competitive community for their in favor for the casual players because there is more of them, and it's easy money to them. Btw, you still going to Chicago Heart 3 Ve?
FlyingVe Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Did you really say Cyrax? I think you meant to say someone like Jax, sir. Also, I think that is bs. I hate when fighting game companies muff the competitive community for their in favor for the casual players because there is more of them, and it's easy money to them. Btw, you still going to Chicago Heart 3 Ve? That's the one in august right? I can't say, as I'm buried in job stuff. If my life stabilizes soon then I can start going to stuff. Also, Jax isn't a grappler in the slightest, but Cyrax is a close as MK gets to a grappler. His grab game is terrifying, even post nerf. Hence, a hybrid grappler. MK doesn't have a pure grappler.
Dacidbro Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Did you really say Cyrax? I think you meant to say someone like Jax, sir. Also, I think that is bs. I hate when fighting game companies muff the competitive community for their in favor for the casual players because there is more of them, and it's easy money to them. Btw, you still going to Chicago Heart 3 Ve? Currently having one of the most balanced fighting games on the current market, I'm offended that you would think a smaller company (That actually needs the money) is muffing their competitive community, especially when Mori is willing to personally make attendance at American Majors. Watch your tongue bro. Also, Ve; they kept Tager in for those dedicated to grapplers, and gave him pretty even matches for most characters.. I think that's a perfect choice for anyone who likes pure grappler, and then they also have the hybrids for the rest of the people who don't like having such disadvantaged matches. Edited July 6, 2011 by Dacidbro
FlyingVe Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Agreed, balance in CS2 (even for Tager) is pretty good for the most part. I think it's just that Tager players (me included) were hoping we'd be something other than dead last after 3 games, lol. Note: Theres a difference, in my mind, between being last, and dead "in your own tier" last. And yeah, character variety in BB is spectacular.
Dacidbro Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 He just loses hard to high tiers who know the matchup. Like.. really hard. Lol.
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Currently having one of the most balanced fighting games on the current market, I'm offended that you would think a smaller company (That actually needs the money) is muffing their competitive community, especially when Mori is willing to personally make attendance at American Majors. Watch your tongue bro. Also, Ve; they kept Tager in for those dedicated to grapplers, and gave him pretty even matches for most characters.. I think that's a perfect choice for anyone who likes pure grappler, and then they also have the hybrids for the rest of the people who don't like having such disadvantaged matches. Ok. But it's something I have notice for a while. Not only in this game. But as in other fighting games as well. But you're right Mori has made an effort to listen to us. I can't argue you that.
Osmond Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Looks like I missed a rather interesting conversation...ok, so all this is doing is spelling out how fathomlessly incompetent the arcs is. They may have mostly irraticated the C and S tiers with the exception of course with Makoto and Tager. Bang and Plat are lower and the tier as well as Ragna but they haven't even dropped out of B it's not that obvious because those characters actually have a chance to fight. Tager is the lone C tier...this is CS1 Rachel level of stupid, there's one thing to stack some odds against to keep him from becoming OP, but making him a huge easy target, making his normals all useless, gimping his normal damage completely, letting all the other characters play keep away with him and just time him out. Making a character this flawed on purpose? Are you serious? The thing he has was the magnetism but that's slowly getting less and less effective as well.
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Looks like I missed a rather interesting conversation...ok, so all this is doing is spelling out how fathomlessly incompetent the arcs is. They may have mostly irraticated the C and S tiers with the exception of course with Makoto and Tager. Bang and Plat are lower and the tier as well as Ragna but they haven't even dropped out of B it's not that obvious because those characters actually have a chance to fight. Tager is the lone C tier...this is CS1 Rachel level of stupid, there's one thing to stack some odds against to keep him from becoming OP, but making him a huge easy target, making his normals all useless, gimping his normal damage completely, letting all the other characters play keep away with him and just time him out. Making a character this flawed on purpose? Are you serious? The thing he has was the magnetism but that's slowly getting less and less effective as well. Well bro is a good guy. What do you expect? Also, you can say the thing to Talim in Soul Calibur 2 to 4. I never seen a company keep nerfing a character to make sure that she was bad after they fuck up and made her good.
Dacidbro Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Looks like I missed a rather interesting conversation...ok, so all this is doing is spelling out how fathomlessly incompetent the arcs is. They may have mostly irraticated the C and S tiers with the exception of course with Makoto and Tager. Bang and Plat are lower and the tier as well as Ragna but they haven't even dropped out of B it's not that obvious because those characters actually have a chance to fight. Tager is the lone C tier...this is CS1 Rachel level of stupid, there's one thing to stack some odds against to keep him from becoming OP, but making him a huge easy target, making his normals all useless, gimping his normal damage completely, letting all the other characters play keep away with him and just time him out. Making a character this flawed on purpose? Are you serious? The thing he has was the magnetism but that's slowly getting less and less effective as well. You imply some "facts" that are just ridiculous. His normals are fucking insane, so if you can't figure that out after 3 iterations, I don't know what to say to you. Every single character is forced to either approach him or begin to lose from the beginning, because Tager charges spark as he rests at neutral, and gains meter for IBing projectiles. Projectiles have no mix up oriented with them, so just sit there and make your opponent approach, or wait for spark and then approach them when they've given you the advantage.
Koopa_Klawz Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 this is why despite what they've done, my respect for them gets smaller and smaller. it makes no sense that they nerf what was good for him and give nothing but gimmicks back to him while OTHER low tiers get REAL BUFFS.
Dacidbro Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Well bro is a good guy. What do you expect? Also, you can say the thing to Talim in Soul Calibur 2 to 4. I never seen a company keep nerfing a character to make sure that she was bad after they fuck up and made her good. They've buffed Tager in every iteration, slightly. He's better in CS2 than he was in CS1, than he was in CT. Same response to Koopa. You guys are just too content to bitch about your character, learn how to win matches or switch. Seriously. It's depressing just posting in this board, except for reading AXIS and Ve, so far.
Osmond Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Ah sorry, I try to keep the problems from getting to me but when I learn that they are stacking the odds to prevent another Potemkin. I'll never switch, no matter how bad it gets. I don't really care if I win or lose but when I see far more competent players who work a lot harder and don't get anything for it, that's why I get annoyed. But it was over-presumption of me to say all his normals are bad, hell his 6A eat through a lot of attacks now, even poke Ragna out of his astral I was letting the numbers bothering me, tiers in the end are meaningless. I needed to be reminded of that.
Dacidbro Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Well if playing your main makes you upset, this game is going to make you die young. I guess that's all I can really say.
Osmond Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Well if playing your main makes you upset, this game is going to make you die young. I guess that's all I can really say. Heh, PLAYING him certainly isn't a problem, but a lot of us are getting pretty jaded. Maybe it's contagious
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Well if playing your main makes you upset, this game is going to make you die young. I guess that's all I can really say. Hey, I'm not bitching. But I think you said a little bit too much. I don't think the game will kill me. I mean I'm only 18. I think committing hara-kiri won't help me at all. And I'm too lazy to learn anyone else besides Plat as a second. Also, I was talking about Talim dude. I didn't mention anything about Tager in that post. You told me to watch my tongue. I think the same goes for you.:D Edited July 7, 2011 by CrazyI-nomitsu
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