Middle Tennessee Needs Gaming! Monthly Versus Tourneys - Antioch, TN

[Bane]

Cramped cars are fine by me as long as no one in the vehicle hates me for it :s

Speaking of that combo vid, I still need to come perform those combos, don't I?

[Mr.Minionman]

I still haven't figured out anything worth watching with Slab.

Kinda just have a midscreen BnB foundation as is. atm just trying to find something interesting I can do with Titanamachia, though Uri will probably have me beat on any of that :P

[Milln]

I've got Doromac, Naimat, KhaosMuffins, and Zeth coming for tomorrow. I'd like anyone that can, to show up with an inquiring mind. edit: G-Ram is coming, too. Sarah from Alabama and Tad from Tad are maybes.

Also, anyone heard from Star? He hasn't posted in 5 days/8 pages and I don't think that's happened before.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Milln

[Urichinan]

CAN I USE ONE OF THE PS3 CONVERTERS TOOOOOOOOoOOoOOOoOOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOOoOOoOoOoO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? <3

EDIT: I just remembered I still have that controller, and Star still has mine. >_<

Also, I want to do some hardcore training with all you guys on PSN throughout next week. Starting Monday. Are you guys up to it?

Edited October 5, 2012 by Urichinan

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

...guys are making excuses and tourney hasn't even happened yet...lol...set aside your ego and just enjoy playing videogames for once.

btw this is the combo i was talking about, klein and milln: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mwIKWLShuU&t=1m16s

Nigga I don't need no excuses, I play the worst character in the game. But seriously, I don't understand this mindset. I pour my heart into my fighters because I enjoy playing them, and I especially enjoy playing them well. It wouldn't make any fuckin' sense to me if I didn't. It's not a matter of ego, it's a matter of partaking of the fruits of my labor, it's knowing that my hard work has paid off the only way I can be totally sure - by satisfying my hunger in a tournament. I'm not making excuses. As I said, I'm still confident I'm going to body people next weekend.

/srsbsns

I've got Doromac, Naimat, KhaosMuffins, and Zeth coming for tomorrow. I'd like anyone that can, to show up with an inquiring mind. edit: G-Ram is coming, too. Sarah from Alabama and Tad from Tad are maybes.

Also, anyone heard from Star? He hasn't posted in 5 days/8 pages and I don't think that's happened before.

If someone doesn't mind picking me up and being paid with nothing but gratitude, I'd be down.

@Star - He's buckling down on the job hunt, about ready to settle for F Tier fast food joints and studying the hell outta UNI.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[Milln]

Ah, okay. Relay this for me: fast food, while regarded by society as bottom of the barrel, is still a job and great work experience in a fast-paced, regulated environment. It'll get him, and anyone else that ventures that way ready for what's up. Fun fact: my 2nd job was a Burger King. =D

[LastStarSaviour]

You guys know i'm not like...dead....right?

[Bane]

I still don't understand it when people say Liz is a bad character. Godlike mixups, corner resets that make me cry, multiple high damage combos, and big, disjointed hitboxes. I can't even get in on her, and it's even worse if she decides she wants to get in on me.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

I still don't understand it when people say Liz is a bad character. Godlike mixups, corner resets that make me cry, multiple high damage combos, and big, disjointed hitboxes. I can't even get in on her, and it's even worse if she decides she wants to get in on me.

She's not a bad character, she's totally viable. She's just the LEAST viable character in the game. She has unreliable reversals, a really shitty counter-assault/guard cancel, great damage off of damn near any hit-confirms, powerful but risky oki, powerful but extremely risky mix-up. Her Thanatos mix-up (the thing a lot of people consider one of her strong suits) is actually very easily dealt with for characters with good JBs. Her miniscule health pool means you have to be extremely focused for every play in a match, and a single mistake can get you killed. Her resets and tech traps simply take getting used to, the only ones that're consistently viable are C Agi off of 2C and her air unblockable traps. She requires a highly adaptable, fast-thinking player to do well, and even then it's difficult to do well against people who know the match-up.

Ah, okay. Relay this for me: fast food, while regarded by society as bottom of the barrel, is still a job and great work experience in a fast-paced, regulated environment. It'll get him, and anyone else that ventures that way ready for what's up. Fun fact: my 2nd job was a Burger King. =D

A job is a job, I agree. But I'm not talking about how society regards it, I'm speaking from experience with working fast food. (Wendy's was my first job) You have to deal with the same shit a retail employee does, plus the soul-crushing work of suffering through rush and clean-up. (That weird substance on the fryer filters, wtf?!) There's also the drama that comes with having minimum wage co-workers, depending on who you get to work with. Sometimes you get cool, average people. Sometimes you get the most psycho, ghetto people imaginable.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[LastStarSaviour]

A.K.A. she isn't really low-tier or least-viable.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

A.K.A. she isn't really low-tier or least-viable.

She isn't necessarily low tier, just gimmicky to the point where she is the least viable. Unless you have someone else in mind for that position.

[Kyle]

I will do combos three and four they are tough tough handcam sorry can send you avi files

[LastStarSaviour]

She isn't necessarily low tier, just gimmicky to the point where she is the least viable. Unless you have someone else in mind for that position.

I don't really have any other characters in mind. I just find that the damage output she has outways any of the risks she actually has to take to aquire it. With that said, I haven't put Elizabeth anywhere lower than high A on my tier list.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

I don't really have any other characters in mind. I just find that the damage output she has outweighs any of the risks she actually has to take to aquire it. With that said, I haven't put Elizabeth anywhere lower than high A on my tier list.

Ergo, she's least viable. It's not that she isn't viable, she's just less viable relative to the rest of the cast. You might also consider the risk in actually racking up that damage - her combos are very execution heavy with tight links (such that you can't truly confirm a hit, but rather have to predict that your opponent is going to fall for certain combo starters) and strict, character specific motions during the magarudyne sections. I know one usually considers a character's strengths by assuming that the player can land all of their combos, but when they're difficult, (like with Aegis, or to a much lesser extent Liz) I think that's something to consider as well. It's one thing for Aegis, who is widely considered the best in the game. But when a character already struggles and one of their only redeeming traits is their damage, difficult combos only make the disparity even more apparent.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[Eshi]

A.K.A. she isn't really low-tier or least-viable.

actually, yeah, she's really low tier. it's not obvious below high level play but she is extremely flawed.

In other news... turns out that my close friends have their bachelor party on the same day as the upcoming tournament so fuck my life. The Jeffrey/Geoffrey Chie duo is going though, so... hope y'all have Chie experience!

I just find that the damage output she has outways any of the risks she actually has to take to aquire it.

Then you don't know the match-up.

[LastStarSaviour]

actually, yeah, she's really low tier. it's not obvious below high level play but she is extremely flawed.

In other news... turns out that my close friends have their bachelor party on the same day as the upcoming tournament so fuck my life. The Jeffrey/Geoffrey Chie duo is going though, so... hope y'all have Chie experience!

Then you don't know the match-up.

Wow...done with this shit already, peace.

[Bane]

I definitely don't know that match-up. I'm pretty clueless on how to fight her as Teddie. My Naoto has an easier time in that matchup, tbh.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

I definitely don't know that match-up. I'm pretty clueless on how to fight her as Teddie. My Naoto has an easier time in that matchup, tbh.

Keep-away with baseball bat. All. Day. It beats out: 5C, 5D, all of our normals, and is pretty much only vulnerable to jump-ins and flames. If you're spaced correctly we won't have the time for flames and you'll have ample time to ready your 2B or roll under the jump-in.

actually, yeah, she's really low tier. it's not obvious below high level play but she is extremely flawed.

I wouldn't say -extremely- flawed. Just really weak on D and the risk of her mix-up is amplified by her low health.

Then you don't know the match-up.

dat option select. Nah, that wouldn't help anyone. Instead of assuming someone's incompetence (a logical fallacy which also failed to invalidate his point), you should instead present a rational counter-point explaining where they went wrong. If you're too lazy to do this, the wiser option would be not to speak up at all.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[ZomB]

Liz is pretty solid in my opinion! Her mixups are on the weak side (especially midscreen, she's scary if she corners you) -- and I think a lot of American/Netplay Liz kind of ride on this.

But her neutral game isn't really that bad! And her damage conversion + resets are really solid. If you think her mixups are strong though your opponents aren't playing defense well enough.

Anyways her main flaws are just low health and meh defense. If her full screen "mixup" was actually unreactable she would definitely be top tier. But as it stands she has to spend meter to really mix it up.

I will do combos three and four they are tough tough handcam sorry can send you avi files

WAIT are you coming to the upcoming TN tourney Kyle? :DDD

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

Liz is pretty solid in my opinion! Her mixups are on the weak side (especially midscreen, she's scary if she corners you) -- and I think a lot of American/Netplay Liz kind of ride on this.

But her neutral game isn't really that bad! And her damage conversion + resets are really solid. If you think her mixups are strong though your opponents aren't playing defense well enough.

Anyways her main flaws are just low health and meh defense. If her full screen "mixup" was actually unreactable she would definitely be top tier. But as it stands she has to spend meter to really mix it up.

WAIT are you coming to the upcoming TN tourney Kyle? :DDD

Actually I don't really think her mix-ups are strong personally, I was just assuming that a better Liz player could be more spontaneous and tricky since she's so reliant on gimmicks. With a virtually useless AoA and no other overheads, her mix-ups are pretty simple and easy to defend against, but still respectable with random 5D's in the mix. It's only once you've initiated Thanatos mix-up (after 5C) that 5D becomes worthless even if you cancel the second hit of 5C. It has just a bit too much start-up, imo.

She seems to rely heavily on meaty 5D's over mix-up 5D's. I'd rather have legit oki than a dangerous, gimmicky guessing game. Though that reliance might just stem from my personal failings as a player. Maragidyne sucks once your opponents know how to deal with it, maziodyne only nets a bit of chip and capitalizing on that oki with pressure requires you to be close (typically a bad idea when using maziodyne) as well as a chunk of meter while still being vulnerable to a reversal, same with magarudyne.

/mesayingeverythingyoujustsaidsoidon'tlookfree

Edited October 6, 2012 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[ZomB]

I think her tick throw game is a little underlooked to be honest. But to be fair getting that close with Liz - you really have to know what you're doing.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

I think her tick throw game is a little underlooked to be honest. But to be fair getting that close with Liz - you really have to know what you're doing.

Forgot to mention that, it's been awhile since I played. Was beating myself up because I entirely forgot to use that and my air unblockables as part of my mix-up last tournament. It's actually pretty easy and Liz is surprisingly strong up close. Really easy to bait dp's and 5D becomes a tool to be feared. With fear or a legit ch they can't tech it and you get 2.5k + push them into the corner, or 3-4k if you're willing to shell out some meter and have the execution. (Dash the instant of wall-bounce > 5C(2) > tight link RC 5C on 5C's second hit > combo) Plus even if they tech, a lot of players are jarred by the surprise of being grappled by a so-called zoner that they're a lot more vulnerable to whatever you pressure them with next.

[Milln]

In other news... turns out that my close friends have their bachelor party on the same day as the upcoming tournament so fuck my life. The Jeffrey/Geoffrey Chie duo is going though, so... hope y'all have Chie experience!

Noooooooo! Eshi! DDD= I wanted you here!

..... *sighs and puts away the bed he made up for him* Wait, then, who's going to be the third Georgian for the State vs. State? Do we have to donate a TN player to you guys, too? Undercover Spy II

Edit: Grats, Middle Tennessee we broke 200,000 views. =D

Edited October 6, 2012 by Milln

[ZomB]

Georgia should be able to field 3 players np~ I just need to hurry up and pick up a second char beforehand Double Dragon Chies are banned

[Milln]

Wait crap crap crap crap crap WHY DIDN'T ANYONE POST KING OF BLING ON MAYONAKA MIDNIGHT (user base jokes aside)

...... Why didn't ---I--- post King of Bling on Mayonaka Midnight! Ugh, it's almost too late, now, but i'll do it anywa----Wait, ZomB what are you mod of?