Vixsinationz Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 How do I become better in BBCS2 i feel like im lacking heavy knowledge. I just made this account btw and so i was just wondering what information i need in my mind to function well to play or whatever my favourite bb idols are Kaqn and Buppa if Good people can help me out i would appreciate it. P.S. I wanna give a shout out to Akira-Shiro for not adding me as a friend yet :P
A.X.I.S. Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 Your post is too vague and this thread wasn't needed. From your post you seem to play Ragna and Hazama. First off you should learn how your character plays and pick up on the system mechanics. Play around a bit and get a feel for the game. Then learn combos and work your way from then. Don't forget to read the guides in the respective character forums for info.
Tong Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 Fight always with your best and with people a littler stronger than you. By fighting with your I mean, dont make silly stuff, like DPing in thin air etc.Do your best. And pretty much all that Axis said.
Vixsinationz Posted May 8, 2011 Author Posted May 8, 2011 Yes i understand that but i want to know what i need to be thinking of when im playing because i watch the japanese play and they rock so im just wondering what they are thinking about but ill never know. Im not that bad of a player tho i just wanna know what i need to know or whatever.
Tong Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 They think about the matchup, the opponent, whats coming next etc. A newcomer would think only about combo'ing. They cant actually "game" yet, they dont know whats exactly happening on the screen, they feel blind... You just need to think how to win or why you're losing.
Vixsinationz Posted May 8, 2011 Author Posted May 8, 2011 Yea i guess that make sense. So ur saying i should learn the matchups but when i look at the matchups for ragna in the dustloop forums ya'll be takin about some bullshit like when a char does this and that there is no tips lol
A.X.I.S. Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 Nah I was refering to the guides. You don't need to learn match ups yet.
YukiBlue Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 Biggest tip I can give it look at your opponent and what they are doing just as much as you look at your Ragna or whomever. If you see /\-11 Backdashing, you should naturally expect some swords to head your way. If Tager is charging, you should expect a spark bolt ASAP When you know this, you can think of a suitable counter, IE for lambda, you would know to block until she calls in a 4D. And for tager, you know to keep in the air ect. Vague info, really.
Lucien Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 Yes i understand that but i want to know what i need to be thinking of when im playing because i watch the japanese play and they rock so im just wondering what they are thinking about but ill never know. Im not that bad of a player tho i just wanna know what i need to know or whatever. What you NEED to know is that you shouldn't watch a JP match and try to copy every single thing that they do, the mindset you should have when watching high level play is that of an observer, look at what moves they don't do, and what moves that get punished easily so you'd know to not do it, I wouldn't analyze match vids where a player just dominates the other player because in certain matchups that could be misleading to you.
Zankou_Roueijin Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 it would be pointless to learn match ups or even tactics on dust-loop because they're guide for everything is run away and spam i.d if you play with ragna because its safe, just play your own game and learn from every match you play, and don't let the noobs who use this site frequently that think they're good, tell you how to play any differently, combos you can practice in training whenever you feel, however the only way to ever apply those combos is using and setting them up in matches against people that can actually think and move intelligently, forcing you to learn to be creative in the ways you can incorporate those hits into setups and those setups into combos.
Lucien Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 ^ what are you talking about? you obviously do not read the match up threads, when has ID ever been completely safe? scrubs... smh.
psycofang2 Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 oi, this thread is uh...well anyway lets not start something stupid in here. please?
advancedNoob Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 What you are looking for in videos or while observing online, are block string options, oki options and how to force your opponent to neutral wake up ASAP as opposed to rolling or just lying there thus messing up your tactics. Everything else you learn from playing the game itself.
Remius Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) -Learn da BnBs. -Learn at least one decently damaging combo. I feel Challenge Mode is great for this. **This is not ONLY for damage, but to better get acquainted with the properties of your moveset. This way, you can learn to save combos off relatively random moves. If you learn to only do damage when using specific starters, not only will you never get that hit, but it just ultimately cripples your entire playstyle. Learning how to get combos off all kinds of hits is key to making the most out of your opportunities. -You're going to go pick random fights. And then you're going to lose them. *No, seriously. You can fight people on/below your levels to test your skills, troll and have fun, but when you want to get better, go fight people who are more than capable of curbstomping you. You'll get frustrated, and you may not win a single time, but if you were paying attention, i bet you money the next day you wont be making half of the same mistakes that got you Curbstomped. - Watch good players play. Im not sure why, but for some reason, if i watch a good match BEFORE i play, i just naturally play better. Especially if i havent played online in a month or so. - Defense is just as important, if not MORE important, than learning pretty combos. * not knowing how to wake up or block is the easiest way to lose a match, or be on the receiving end the entire game. Easiest way to do this, honestly, is to watch others play. But if you simply pay attention and experiment during battle, you can speed this up for yourself. In the end, if you're constantly getting hit, STOP MASHING THE ATTACK BUTTON. - Learn how the game works. The simple knowledge of what + or - frames do can make all the difference in the world. I believe this ALONE is why Tager is the noob/scrub crusher of this game. What should be common sense ends up being perpetual punishment for noobs who keep trying to mash attacks out of tagers + blockstun because they think he's slow. Knowing how the hitboxes work also helps with this -- you dont need a hitbox viewer, just experiment in battle or practice mode. Simply knowing that Rachel's 5a comes out quicker than pretty much everything in the game (aside from Bang's, unfortunally) can actually let you kill a few people with her (or just piss them off more). Edited May 8, 2011 by Remius
Vixsinationz Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 lol thx for the advice but if u guys dont mind giving me more good idea because i want to be on the right track to improving or whatever my main is Ragna and i am going to sub Hazama. I cant fucking wait for CS2 LOL omg im so stoked man dayum. LOL i wanna be just as good as the japs lol. But yes thx u guys very much if yall have any more tips ya'll please just say it. I also have another queestion can ya'll tell e when the best time to use blood kain wit ragna i wanna start using that more often in CS2 if nessecery thx u guys :P
Vixsinationz Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 I wonder if Nineball_Infinte comes on dustloop
Remius Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Honestly, I only BK with ragna when a) i have a guaranteed setup and b) my health is so low that im expecting to lose the match anyway. (That guarnteed setup being that challenge mode combo. You know, 3C > Bloodkain, > 5C > super j.D, ect ect. Tons of damage. When others Blood Kain against me, especially when im in the lead, i usually just run from them and let their health decrease. If they have no health left, you can kill them with easy chip damage. It usually works to my advantage. It's really risky, and a last-ditch effort from me. But I dont really use it often. If you HIT someone during blood kain, you can expect great damage, but when people run, you usually just end up killing yourself.
NaRD Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 You learn a lot more from actually playing than from any video of high level play. I agree with most posts here, especially the one where you play those who are better than you. I played with Heroic Legacy and Lost Soul until we lost touch when I switched accounts. I never could consistently beat their Tagers, but I could at least take rounds. Anyway Learn each and every move. How fast it is, when to use it. That will make it much easier to learn a BnB. I made the mistake of memorizing a BnB for Noel (her Drive) and not knowing how to actually use her. Crippled my game and it's hard for me to make her work now (without pouring in more effort than my other characters) Learn a BnB, practice it until your fingers bleed. Go to training mode, set the A.I. to 100, and practice blocking. Don't retaliate, just block until you're instant blocking everything you can safely. Of course, this is how I learned, you may find a method much better for you. Welcome to the community.
Vixsinationz Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 lol dude well combos isnt my issue and i am not actually a bad player i just want ppl's insights on what to think of when playing because its good to know other people opinions when playing the game and etc and not just me. But yes when CS2 comes out i guess ima have to practice bnb's because i heard ragna's got harder and etc but uhh yes and watching high level vids helps my train of process to think of my own shit as well so it does help me but hey its all good. thx for your insights anyways dude.
THE_DIPLOMAT Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 og my god vix shut the fuck up u dick ridin scrub but how u been
Vixsinationz Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 whats up dude im mad u got CS2 biatch when u make a dustloop?
Vixsinationz Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 o ic when is psn back up im fucking mad and yo u wanna download ah3 from me?
Pervert_Q Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Here's some advice.... learn fighting game basics. They apply to all games. The only real difference between games is the mechanics that make them interesting. If you don't know how to control space properly you'll never get any better. Street fighter II turbo is still the best game to learn basics in. Also, watching videos is still probably the worst way to learn anything. I learned that the hard way personally. Learning to hit confirm is far more useful than memorizing a combo you saw someone else do. Once you learn how to hit confirm well, then look at some vids to maximize your damage. Edited May 12, 2011 by Pervert_Q
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