iora Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 She's not even that good now, what should be buffed to make her better? I mean Ragna can get 3k+ off everything and he's top tier. thats WHY hes top tier, among many many other reasons. characters shouldnt excel in all/most areas. Plat is a solid mid tier, and thats perfect for me. Viable, but not fucking retarded. A good buff to her could break her, becauses the items and their random nature are her biggest strength and weakness at the same time. Xie wrote some good overviews of the characters if you wanna read some good opinions. But i'll just say, I have played matches that i got every item i wanted the moment i wanted.... and rolled face. And times where i dont get the item i need period. Ever. And get rolled. Its just how it rolls.
Kujikawa Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Platinum isn't top tier because she doesn't have reliable tools to deal with every matchup. Unlike character such as Ranga or Valkenhayn, Platinum can't base matchups on how she can use her items against the opponent, because there is no way to control that. Naturally she's bad against rushdown because she doesn't have consistent escape options. And she's not good against zoners because she doesn't have consistent approach options. She has the other tools that make a good character, lots of mixup, great oki, good projectiles, great anti-airs, air-to-airs, jump ins, frame traps, pokes. She's just not consistent, and that's where her downfall lies. Thank you. So what buff would you like to see on Platinum that will make her a better character overall?
Urichinan Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Thank you. So what buff would you like to see on Platinum that will make her a better character overall? 2A > 5B should combo 5B should be jump cancelable 2C should lose the repeat proration, and return to CS2 status Bombs should have a horizontal option That's all I really want, I don't mind how she is at the moment, because she's already a very good character.
Tiger Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 It's a fuckin' Nidoran. Late reply is late but yes I am >:C On topic though, I agree with what everyone has said so far, Platinum doesn't really need a buff, she's also a gamble type character so a too much big of a buff would just make her stupid. She's not meant to be a really strong character anyways even by design. She's pretty versatile in many situations, also I like her in this edition due to her being more comfortable to play with. Also when I heard about the bomb throw change, I was under the impression that they were amiable on any direction. Sad that their limit went down to 3 instead of 4, during matches I always forget that last bomb does not exist anymore. Although if I had to make a request I would of liked 236236D to be executable on air.
iora Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Late reply is late but yes I am >:C On topic though, I agree with what everyone has said so far, Platinum doesn't really need a buff, she's also a gamble type character so a too much big of a buff would just make her stupid. She's not meant to be a really strong character anyways even by design. She's pretty versatile in many situations, also I like her in this edition due to her being more comfortable to play with. Also when I heard about the bomb throw change, I was under the impression that they were amiable on any direction. Sad that their limit went down to 3 instead of 4, during matches I always forget that last bomb does not exist anymore. Although if I had to make a request I would of liked 236236D to be executable on air. Wasnt bomb 6 though? lol. And air 236236d would rock. Kill your air movement for ultra gommicks, and safelyish at that. I would dig. If we are talking small buffs, I would love platinum's 6c to change to a 2 hit style knockup. hit 1 stays grounded, second hit raises them up. So you can cancel the first hit for other combos. Also making the item tosses arc a little more at that 3/4-full screen range would be nice. But shes great as is.
A.X.I.S. Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 I like the item arc's pan/missile/cat hammer/hammer all have different speeds, arc's, and hit boxes. When installed the arc and hit boxes become different as well.
Tiger Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Wasnt bomb 6 though? lol. And air 236236d would rock. Kill your air movement for ultra gommicks, and safelyish at that. I would dig. If we are talking small buffs, I would love platinum's 6c to change to a 2 hit style knockup. hit 1 stays grounded, second hit raises them up. So you can cancel the first hit for other combos. Also making the item tosses arc a little more at that 3/4-full screen range would be nice. But shes great as is. Actually a two hit 6C would be pretty awesome and would make item tossing more run to use when you want to get rid of your useless item. On top of that more combos and pressure abilities will open up. And oh, I thought bombs were 4...but either way I still have to remember those extra bombs no longer exist which blows whenever I try to "use" those bombs in the heat of battle and suddenly I just perform an item summon. Which was rewarded by a punch to the face, or death depending on the circumstances...that happened often on my first two days of extended lol.
Chaoschao222 Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Late reply is late but yes I am >:C How the fuck you become a Nidoran!?
Kingdetox Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Can i ask questions in here?because I dropped some questions in the FAQ thread but clearly this is the more popular thread.
Urichinan Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Read the combo thread, it'll explain how to do the 22C followups. On the note of 6C > Swallow Moon, it's not a TK, you have to delay the Swallow Moon after 6C for just a small bit, and then do j.C. And yes, those are very, very important to learn.
LunaKage Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 2A > 5B should combo Combos on crouching, this messes me up but I don't play the character, it really shouldn't effect someone who is a Plat main though. It's still pretty silly lol 5B should be jump cancelable With that Range? Tager would never be able to beat Plat with a buff like that lol. A compromise would be losing the jump cancel on 5C, in which case you would lose most of your options late string, which imo would be pretty bad for her, so I guess it would even out. 2C should lose the repeat proration, and return to CS2 status Why? You just want more combo video swag don't you? Bombs should have a horizontal option
Tiger Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 How the fuck you become a Nidoran!? If I tell you, I would have to kill you. D:
iora Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 1: Google.com 2: Click the 'images' tab. 3: copy a url address. 4: change your avatar. 5: netplay forever and just claim you ARE a nidoran. Cant disprove it.... so it must be true. ---- side note, I havent played a ton recently, but that changes tonight :D Training mode time! Anyone wanna help me find a nice CAT HAMMER (the blue item) combo? If you guys know anything. I know very basic bits and pieces, and i can experiment if no one knows and report my findings. Mid screen, corner, grounded, in the air, counter hit, i dont care. I just want something ^^
Urichinan Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Combos on crouching, this messes me up but I don't play the character, it really shouldn't effect someone who is a Plat main though. It's still pretty silly lol Less proration on the combo, 2B on top of 2A is just terrible. With that Range? Tager would never be able to beat Plat with a buff like that lol. A compromise would be losing the jump cancel on 5C, in which case you would lose most of your options late string, which imo would be pretty bad for her, so I guess it would even out. Can't be any worse then Jin's 5C, Litchi's 5B[m], Valkenhayn's 5B, Tao's 5C or Rachel's 6B, no? At that range all it's good for is keeping you safe and being able to escape to zone, or poke with j.C. Why? You just want more combo video swag don't you? ...Maybe... We did lose a lot of mid-screen anti-air combos because of this. Like CH 2C > Dash > 2C > Dash > 6A > 6C > j.236C > j.C > Dash > 6A > 236B (> Dash > 5C > 2C > 214C > 236B) which was 3356 DMG and 4026 DMG from a good hit-confirm. EDIT: Or CH 2C > Dash > 2C > Dash > 5C > 2C > 236B > Dash > 5C > 2C > 214C > Step Back > 6C > 22C > 5C > 6A > 236B which was 5389 DMG off of a mid-screen anti-air that carried almost full screen. I miss that. Edited March 1, 2012 by Urichinan
Moy_X7 Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 Anyone wanna help me find a nice CAT HAMMER (the blue item) combo? If you guys know anything. I know very basic bits and pieces, and i can experiment if no one knows and report my findings. Mid screen, corner, grounded, in the air, counter hit, i dont care. I just want something ^^ Mid-screen CH > 66 5C > 6A > 6C > j.236C > j.C > 66 6A > 236B > 66 5C > 6A > 236B Corner CH > Mami > 66 5C > 2C > 214C > 6C > 22C > 5C > 6A > 236B I'll update the combo thread during the weekend for all you lost little children. I'm kinda clocked at the moment.
Urichinan Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 Mid-screen CH > 66 5C > 6A > 6C > j.236C > j.C > 66 6A > 236B > 66 5C > 6A > 236B Corner CH > Mami > 66 5C > 2C > 214C > 6C > 22C > 5C > 6A > 236B I'll update the combo thread during the weekend for all you lost little children. I'm kinda clocked at the moment. I like CH > Dash > 6A > 6C > 22C > Dash > 5C > 6A > 236B it carries really far and does great damage. I think you can add 5C at the start before 6A, not completely sure though.
Moy_X7 Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 I always forget that Cat Hammer counts as a knockdown for 22C to work. Good stuff.
Tari Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 Can't be any worse then Jin's 5C, Litchi's 5B[m], Valkenhayn's 5B, Tao's 5C or Rachel's 6B, no? At that range all it's good for is keeping you safe and being able to escape to zone, or poke with j.C. Just had to point out that Rachel's super long-range poke is no longer jump cancellable. Also, if you have awesome confirm, 2A > 5C is a legitimate string, iirc.
iora Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 Neat, that was around the lines of what i was thinking. Im learning the combo theory :D
NoelRin Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 Hey guys, can you help me with this combo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHW0HnNbPoM&feature=player_embedded • 5B > 3C > 22C > RC > 66 2C > 214A > 5D (Item Equip) > 6C > 22C > 66 5C > 6A > 236B > [Combo Finisher 2] (3734 Damage/32 Meter) I'm exempting 5D during the combo. Can't get the 66 DC to connect after 22C.
Cirno Posted March 1, 2012 Author Posted March 1, 2012 Your timing on 22C is wrong. You have to hit them with the end of 22C's animation, so you recover fast enough to hit with 5C. Try inputting 22C faster.
Urichinan Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 Hey guys, can you help me with this combo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHW0HnNbPoM&feature=player_embedded • 5B > 3C > 22C > RC > 66 2C > 214A > 5D (Item Equip) > 6C > 22C > 66 5C > 6A > 236B > [Combo Finisher 2] (3734 Damage/32 Meter) I'm exempting 5D during the combo. Can't get the 66 DC to connect after 22C. You're doing 22C WAAAAAAAAAY too late, you need to hit with 22C as close to the end of it's animation as possible. Which means you want them to land onto 22C, not land with them during 22C. Go to the combo thread and watch the guide provided so you have a visual aid on the timing for 22C. Also Team DAI!
Dai_Loli Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Sure we can team any day XD Also good stuff with the video, I think seeing the *wrong* timing actually helped me understand what the right timing should be, I never actually connected this link either. Whenever they said "hit with the end of the animation" I always thought it meant "input it as late as you can" instead of "input it early so only the last active frames hit".
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