tofurr Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 I've noticed Matsu never uses the new j.2C oki, wonder why.
Sakaku Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 j.2C \/ 236A seems to be much more useful. This is just a guess but if they don't tech, the Lobelia will catch them, allowing to "continue" your combo into another j.2C ender. If they emergency tech, they get hit by meaty A Lobelia and Rachel will have frame advantage. Seems like you can even beat backdash attempts of certain Characters after meaty Lobelia.
[SpA]Relentless Posted December 5, 2011 Author Posted December 5, 2011 j.2C pumpkin oki costs wind, landing without a summon regenerates it. I guess he chooses in favor of wind because you just can't use it as freely anymore as in CT.
Tari Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) Aerial pumpkin oki is only good if you have the wind stock to back it up. Slower initial wind recovery makes it even less appealing to burn extra stock towards the end of a combo. Meaty 236A isn't particularly amazing against a lot of the cast, and it gives opponents free forward rolls, but eh, it has its uses. Edited December 5, 2011 by Tari
kro_ Posted December 6, 2011 Posted December 6, 2011 Aerial pumpkin oki is only good if you have the wind stock to back it up. Slower initial wind recovery makes it even less appealing to burn extra stock towards the end of a combo. Meaty 236A isn't particularly amazing against a lot of the cast, and it gives opponents free forward rolls, but eh, it has its uses. Yeah, this is what I've been noticing a lot lately. Pumpkin oki in general seems much weaker these days since wind regeneration encourages the use of a lot of wind at once and the regeneration of a lot of wind at once. This differs from CT days where it was generally better to do 1 or 2 wind combos and always maintain a steady stock for emergencies or pumpkin oki. In CSE (and probably ever since CS1) it feels like the best thing to do is always go for the corner carry combo when you don't have Heat. The amount of wind you regen and positioning you get by doing so always justifies the cost. Spending a lot of wind to do a non-corner carry combo is counter-productive and leaves you vulnerable or unable to do a proper combo when you do land a good hit. This basically leads to 2 optimal heatless combos if you have the wind to back it up: Midscreen corner carry - Any random hit into 5b 6c (8d x n) j.c 5b 5cc 236b 5cc frog (or just j.c 5b 3c frog if too many hits) Corner oki combo - Any random hit into frog > 5b j.c dj lv2 j.2c 5c(w)c frog dash 3c 236a dash 6b 5cc dash 3c 214c 3c frog If you do have heat, then the usual midscreen combo into BBL is fine since you get a lot of wind back. No heat and little wind? Just cut it short and go for 3c frog. I guess what I'm saying is that Rachel has a very clear gameplan nowadays. As much as I love zoning, spending wind, and making combos off random hits, not going for the corner carry will hurt you in the long run since wind regen can't keep up in the neutral game.
Sakaku Posted December 6, 2011 Posted December 6, 2011 Ragna (Buppa) vs Rachel (Kinoko) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XKu2chLxzn4#t=335s Ragna vs Rachel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6RsBqDP54s&feature=player_detailpage#t=379s Taokaka vs Rachel http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k-IMt9NjSGw#t=321s Rachel vs Ragna http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZYFYMCOwtM8#t=324s Rachel vs Hakumen http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XpIF9zRGAt0#t=439s
Sakaku Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Rachel vs Bang http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hF93FqSXRu4#t=26s Rachel vs Valkenhayn http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jgr_niFlP9Y#t=341s Rachel vs Litchi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jgr_niFlP9Y#t=499s Rachel vs Hazama http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jgr_niFlP9Y#t=734s Rachel (Aruka) vs Ragna (Mamuru) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ng7ZdDSqbzY#t=14s Rachel (Aruka) vs Litchi (Geroshabu) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jgr_niFlP9Y#t=734s Rachel (Aruka) vs Hazama (tosshi^) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QxmZmnwV-K8#t=16s
Sakaku Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Rachel (ARISA) vs Bang (Ryota) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IlpbdrFcCv8#t=5s WTF @ending Rachel (ARISA) vs Hazama (Ryota) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=esQhCxmtyDk#t=5s
gli Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 That is the epitome of the Hazama match-up right there. Complete with time-up.
Zoular Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) 12/1 αlpha Station Singles rachel ( jimumeka ) vs ragna ( inuo ) http://youtu.be/xV3IIDPjUGM?t=53s rachel ( nyomu ) vs relius ( TORI ) http://youtu.be/Q15wh6ef0ko?t=3m38s jin ( YENGE ) vs rachel ( omitan ) http://youtu.be/DVno6JZ_S5U rachel ( nyomu ) vs hazama ( ora ) http://youtu.be/YAj4-udqWoU Tachikawa 12/9 3on3 rachel ( nyomu ) vs carl ( ryuusei ) http://youtu.be/pykku4BOMjc?t=12m34s rachel ( memai ) vs carl ( ryuusei ) http://youtu.be/Be5b0y8UKYc 12/4/11 BBCS:EX Hyougo Koube Ranbat Tager ( oousotsuki ) VS Rachel ( souhei ) http://youtu.be/wlAUGwXp8ho?t=4m14s Carl ( kichikumegane ) vs Rachel ( souhei ) http://youtu.be/4K1btLzCk3A?t=3m32s Lambda ( naga ) vs Rachel ( souhei ) http://youtu.be/4K1btLzCk3A?t=10m29s Game Chariot 11/23 Ranbat arakune (Alice) VS rachel (Dalma) http://youtu.be/SXEexjxUZZY?t=7m57s litchi (Fio) VS Rachel (Dalma) http://youtu.be/zzWTS2CCgNY Edited December 10, 2011 by Zoular
Sakaku Posted December 13, 2011 Posted December 13, 2011 Platinum (8C) vs Rachel (Memai) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yTWaI6kZwao#t=10s Mu (Hansuke) vs Rachel (Memai) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0ACQ9D5SwnQ#t=336s Noel (Takeyama) vs Rachel (Memai) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qaYlVEsy8KI#t=10s Taokaka (Yuuto) vs Rachel (Memai) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qaYlVEsy8KI#t=161s
Sakaku Posted December 15, 2011 Posted December 15, 2011 Rachel (Kinoko) vs Tager (Shissou) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wXxjaJAWPSE#t=21s Rachel (Kinoko) vs Platinum (Aruya) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BiJyfjoDcsY#t=725s Rachel (Kinoko) vs Ragna (Yutta) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r3YX1x2eAjE#t=678s Rachel (Kinoko) vs Ragna (Buppa) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L3NWm4cpT6I#t=441s Kure Hane!! Relius (Tamo) vs Rachel (Kure Hane) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Lkoc2qftN54#t=194s lol@ the end of the first round ... v:
Sakaku Posted December 18, 2011 Posted December 18, 2011 Rachel (Nyomu) vs Ragna (Inuo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7N15I_2z3eA#t=31s Rachel (Memai) vs Ragna (Pro Gamer San) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jkeyaEg3QIs#t=7s Rachel (Sesu) vs Tager (Akira) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=V0EkJKPQBzg#t=1037s -> SEX Netplay! 2 Matches.
Sakaku Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Litchi (Poppo) vs Rachel (Sesu) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zKu2eYfUK9s#t=654s Bang (Gin) vs Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DOhuCYZBIeA#t=232s Valkenhayn (Masashi) vs Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DOhuCYZBIeA#t=448s Arakune (Mon) vs Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd__2OqyTw8&feature=player_detailpage#t=503s Ragna (sakamoto ryouma) vs Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zWOar7tjCY&feature=player_detailpage#t=6s Jin (Key) vs Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zWOar7tjCY&feature=player_detailpage#t=223s Noel vs Rachel (Kyuuchou) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2_IzfYSJiII#t=988s Hakumen vs Rachel (Kyuuchou) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2_IzfYSJiII#t=1157s Edited December 21, 2011 by Sakaku
Sakaku Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Hazama vs Rachel (Kure Hane) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IR3TXfbGjzg#t=533s Tager vs Rachel (Kure Hane) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bVn0Lz-Vo68#t=9s Mu (AKR@MT) vs Rachel (kohe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BDrIEDACtRc#t=502s Valkenhayn vs Rachel (Kure Hane) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nL2V8m-8xCk#t=7s Rachel (Ko-he) vs Rachel (kohe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nL2V8m-8xCk#t=249s Rachel (Ko-he) vs Ragna (Battei) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nL2V8m-8xCk#t=444s Rachel (Kure Hane) vs Rachel (kohe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4QJHnjNZ498#t=5s Rachel (Kure Hane) vs Ragna (Battei) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4QJHnjNZ498#t=206s http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nL2V8m-8xCk#t=286s Seems like a Rachel/Tager specific combo.
Sakaku Posted January 2, 2012 Posted January 2, 2012 Rachel (Memai) vs Tsubaki (Kuresu) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CzaUGF6YRQo#t=141s -> don't even watch. Rachel (Rin-hime) vs Makoto (Goro) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zrpqlQ_kKPM#t=408s Rachel (Rin-hime) vs Carl (Kyaku) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zrpqlQ_kKPM#t=566s Rachel (Asou) vs Lambda (Umeboshi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=o3NfYTwp7eM#t=593s Rachel (Asou) vs Taokaka (Matoi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RRj3gkmLUQA#t=15s Rachel (Kinoko) vs Hakumen (Shinigami) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mO6h4SHI8EI#t=276s Rachel (Kinoko) vs Ragna http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aT0lZZezYo0#t=27s Rachel (Kinoko) vs Hazama (Buppa) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=alWIkOrMVUg#t=258s Rachel (Kinoko) vs Hazama (HTY) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=alWIkOrMVUg#t=258s Rachel (Rin-hime) vs Ragna (Yutta) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gtffcnZgXII#t=31s Rachel (Arisa) vs Jin (Miya) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gtffcnZgXII#t=204s Rachel (Nyomu) vs Makoto (MGN) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uAzUyrzdJmQ#t=37s Rachel (Erushi) vs Bang (Zanzan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uAzUyrzdJmQ#t=305s Rachel (Nyomu) vs Arakune (Masutani) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uAzUyrzdJmQ#t=564s Tager (Mato) vs Rachel (Erushi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aXD_YqAgGRA#t=225s Rachel (Nyomu) vs Valkenhayn (Hima) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aXD_YqAgGRA#t=463s
[SpA]Relentless Posted January 2, 2012 Author Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) I think you missed one. Litchi (Galileo) v. Rachel (Asou) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RRj3gkmLUQA#t=430s Holy shit Galileo I didn't really follow Asou until now but he's got surprisingly strong pressure (1st round against Lambda looked like CT ) and a good neutral game, and hitconfirms extremely well. Most of the other matches were pretty disappointing though :< Edited January 2, 2012 by [SpA]Relentless
Sakaku Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Rachel (Matsu) vs Kaqn (Hazama) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlMxSnNZL28 Rachel (Matsu) vs Kaqn (Jin) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ut8gEWasW0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-Ut8gEWasW0#t=81s This again. V:
Sindelian Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Rachel (Matsu) vs Kaqn (Jin) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ut8gEWasW0 1 min 20 sec
Sakaku Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Late video delivery! That's some really good stuff here, I wonder why nobody has posted these yet. v: Hakumen (Natakishi) vs YAMA (Rachel) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uApx2Y8MbdM#t=173s YAMA (Rachel) vs Tsuba. (Tsubaki) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UAOTc19g1L0#t=12s Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) vs Ragna (XENO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PByARf15IU4#t=6s Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) vs Valkenhayn (Masashi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PByARf15IU4#t=233s Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) vs Tager (Akira) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PByARf15IU4#t=457s Rachel (Hyaku Shoku) vs Litchi (Hane) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dYyBeLo-28A#t=722s -> This match didn't happen. Rachel (Jager) vs Lambda (Umeboshi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J0th_9HJ5to#t=221s Rachel (Jager) vs Lambda (Tsukasa) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eVMMBwl_WQA#t=637s Tager (pet) vs Rachel (Jager) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iLTlqgKKpuw#t=325s
Deikan Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Thanks for the vids Sakaku-san. The Tager match-up still looks extremely difficult, at least to me though
Sakaku Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Rachel vs Bang http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ar5o3fe1ZxA#t=10s Rachel (Kure Hane) vs Litchi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QXapIYPY5GE#t=284s Rachel vs Ragna http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QXapIYPY5GE#t=515s Bang (Dora) vs Rachel (Memai) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2AFZ1ZBdTE0#t=7s http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LQmGok3nYBo#t=504s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkD9rf_JLt8 -> Holy shit
Kronikhall Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t96C5x2VKMQ#t=37m51s breathtaking rachel player <3
[SpA]Relentless Posted January 18, 2012 Author Posted January 18, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t96C5x2VKMQ#t=37m51s breathtaking rachel player <3 Amazing spacing and adaption. A-cho players being godlike as usual.
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