Lord Pwnge18 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 ME TOO, BRO. MU DA BESS. Speaking of which, I should try finding a sub for this game. I haven't had one in a while. Sub Ragna, I hear he's pretty ok. I actually wanted to sub Makoto, so I started doing her challenge missions to get the feel of her, and I didn't break 3k until Mission 10. I feel like I may be a game late to want to use her haha.
C0R Posted May 22, 2012 Author Posted May 22, 2012 Well since I am here. Cor, how do I not get bodied by Mu? Like what should I be looking for when I play Ragna. j.C is godlike and all, but projectiles and 2C > j.C You don't have to expose Mu completely, but just give me a general idea of when she is probably in trouble. Have balls and kick her in the face with 5b. Like all day long. CH 5b > 6c
Lythium Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Sub Ragna, I hear he's pretty ok. I actually wanted to sub Makoto, so I started doing her challenge missions to get the feel of her, and I didn't break 3k until Mission 10. I feel like I may be a game late to want to use her haha. Ragna's not a babe though. :< Haha, I also tried to sub Makoto with similar results.
Dont_Explain Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 CH 5b>6c doesn't work. To just 5B like a madman doesn't seem to work either. I can rarely just whiff punish her stuff cause max range 5C I pretty much have to be dashing right when she whiffs......this saddens me cause that's Ragna main strength. Maybe I should just faceroll the controller like every other Ragna and win.
Lythium Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 My boyfriend plays some Ragna, and while this is pretty generalized, he says: "Outpoke her, and don't respect her pressure." Dunno if that helps you or not, he wasn't very specific, haha. :I
Dont_Explain Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Well I usually try to IB so she can't push me away as much, but then I still get bodied by 236A and then she just backdashes/jumps away. Edited May 22, 2012 by Dont_Explain
C0R Posted May 22, 2012 Author Posted May 22, 2012 Mu doesn't have a 214a, last time I checked anyway. Her backdash is very easily punishable by Ragna 5b, and when she jumps she's above you, where all of her down-reaching options are bad or worse.
Dont_Explain Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 oops I meant 236a. I was in training facing the left lol. I can punish her backdash, but I would have to already been close. Like if I IB everything, then yeah chances are I will still catch the backdash. IAD backwards and j.C doesn't seem bad to me. It's not Ragna's j.C, but still has some reach.
cookiehours Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 oops I meant 236a. I was in training facing the left lol. I can punish her backdash, but I would have to already been close. Like if I IB everything, then yeah chances are I will still catch the backdash. IAD backwards and j.C doesn't seem bad to me. It's not Ragna's j.C, but still has some reach. Let's play tonight.
C0R Posted May 22, 2012 Author Posted May 22, 2012 236 is very, very slow. It's easy seen on startup and counterhit with long pokes. j.c has a poor vertical hitbox, and will lose to a chasing 5b. Backdash is a defensive option, and if they're using it in a situation where you're blocking (else why else would you be IB'ing), such as 2b > backdash, it's a guaranteed punish with many of ragna's punish normals. 5c as a poke has a sizeable extended hitbox, thus losing to aggressive play, pre-emptive pokes and faster space controlling normals.
Dont_Explain Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Let's play tonight. Can you play now? I can play later too, but I just happen to already be on, so I figure there's no point in waiting. I should probably save some replays so maybe some Mu players here can help me (I don't have anything to actually record them with, but if there's something that catches my eye then I'll just mention it here). I don't feel completely helpless in this matchup (I'm fucking Ragna), but to me it's seems more like you need to straight up beat out her buttons before shit happens and suddenly the sacred laser fortress is built. @Cor: Yo....I didn't even know this. Hmmmm.....am I missing something cause I try to 5B after she whiffs but she doesn't get hurt. I know on the startup her hurtbox is a bit bigger, but from the looks of this image I can 5b her after she whiffs and it will connect. This is after she whiffs right? Edited May 23, 2012 by Dont_Explain
cookiehours Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Can play now? I can play later too, but I just happen to already be on, so I figure there's no point in waiting. I should probably save some replays so maybe some Mu players here can help me (I don't have anything to actually record them with, but if there's something that catches my eye then I'll just mention it here). I don't feel completely helpless in this matchup (I'm fucking Ragna), but to me it's seems more like you need to straight up beat out her buttons before shit happens and suddenly the sacred laser fortress is built. I'm in class so I can't play now. I'll be on later though. I need to work on mixups and other things with Mu. I can't believe my last class before graduation is group work...>_>
Aginor Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 If it didn't have the extended hurtbox, a lot of characters wouldn't be able to do much about it. :x
Dont_Explain Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 I'm apparently doing it wrong cause I still can't hit her. I'm over here like "Yo 5C exposed!" but I still can't seem to hit her on that frame/those frames. Teach me someone!
SolarMisae Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Take away 5C extended hurtbox, make her broken so I can mash it. That'd be awesome, stupid, but awesome.
C0R Posted May 23, 2012 Author Posted May 23, 2012 Hmmmm.....am I missing something cause I try to 5B after she whiffs but she doesn't get hurt. I know on the startup her hurtbox is a bit bigger, but from the looks of this image I can 5b her after she whiffs and it will connect. This is after she whiffs right? That specific frame is after the move stops being active. It's one of the large weaknesses of the move, you can be very far away and still punish her for whiffing it. This is the one I was actually talking about though. Compare it to her standing animation. The Yellow dot is the center of the character, see how far she shifts forwards?
Dont_Explain Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Oh well I knew about that, but I guess I didn't know she went that far forward. I know to IB to stay close, I know 5B is amazing and Mu's 5C will be beat pretty much every time as long as I'm in range........I really should just mash 5B and profit. Like I'm not abusing the amazingness that is 5B. Cookie if I 5b you to death when we play tonight it's cause I'm probably finally going to play Ragna right. Or I'll probably still lose cause I'm secretly the world's worse Ragna.
cookiehours Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Oh well I knew about that, but I guess I didn't know she went that far forward. I know to IB to stay close, I know 5B is amazing and Mu's 5C will be beat pretty much every time as long as I'm in range........I really should just mash 5B and profit. Like I'm not abusing the amazingness that is 5B. Cookie if I 5b you to death when we play tonight it's cause I'm probably finally going to play Ragna right. Or I'll probably still lose cause I'm secretly the world's worse Ragna. ...You can't be any worse than the Ragnas I fight that mash Inferno Dividers a full screen away.
ThunderboltZ28 Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Take away 5C extended hurtbox, make her broken so I can mash it. That'd be awesome, stupid, but awesome. I really hate that hurtbox
Dont_Explain Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 ...You can't be any worse than the Ragnas I fight that mash Inferno Dividers a full screen away. Yo, if you could be invincible for 18 frames at anytime you'd mash it too.
severin Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 speaking of hurtboxes/hitboxes, I challenge anybody to find something more ridiculous than this:
C0R Posted May 23, 2012 Author Posted May 23, 2012 speaking of hurtboxes/hitboxes, I challenge anybody to find something more ridiculous than this:
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