Seiki Posted June 13, 2013 Posted June 13, 2013 What do people think of the Akihiko match-up? I played against Audio33(?) on netplay the other day and he megabodied me. Akihiko's mix-up and 5B fatal off a throw bait seem really strong against characters with bad reversals. I have to really resist the urge to just panic spam 2B. I love that she can just F-Action through his whole Maziodyne super. As an akihiko player the one area that makes me feel uncomfortable against Elizabeth is mid range where she throws the cards at you. you can 2B from that range consistently if he tries to jump at you and your j.b works well since he has no option but to block it if you space it correctly.
susano Posted June 13, 2013 Posted June 13, 2013 What do people think of the Akihiko match-up? I played against Audio33(?) on netplay the other day and he megabodied me. Akihiko's mix-up and 5B fatal off a throw bait seem really strong against characters with bad reversals. I have to really resist the urge to just panic spam 2B. I love that she can just F-Action through his whole Maziodyne super. He gets in, you ded. I got bodied by FeelIntheWind some time ago. When he starts doing those punch mixups...I usually have no clue what to do against it.
Elochai Posted June 14, 2013 Posted June 14, 2013 Audio is really strong IMO. Anyway, I don't think Akihiko v. Liz is too bad. At best, it's 6-4 Liz, and at worse, 5-5 (give or take .5). Akihiko touches Elizabeth two-three times (once if it's lv3 FC Hook SB w. meter). However, the opposite situation is also true in that Elizabeth can hit Akihiko a similar amount of times and kill him. This is even more true for Elizabeth since it's possible to get meterless 4k. Akihiko mix-up can be pretty damn scary when you're conditioned to respect his nonsense. I've dabbled in Akihiko myself, and things can end pretty fast when people are eating Hook SB because they're desperate or 5K AOA combos because they're conditioned to tech throws. As Liz, we can backdash or mash out of some mix-ups. Anytime he does a duck or weave (unless it's AOA), I'm pretty sure a decent normal (5A) will CH him. The worst thing about this MU imo is Closeout Blow. 5C gets blown up pretty hard, as does maragidyne. He can weave/duck through 5B too, and CH Elizabeth with like Corkscrew SB for 1/2 life (at only 25 meter, lol). Also, fun fact: If Akihiko is committed to lv1 Maziodyne, and you're close enough, you can input Mahamon and 5B CH him into death. Waiting for someone to go "your MU experience isn't reliable because you've never played good Akihikos."
TD Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 no one wants to do it most likely. guess it's up to you guys
Elochai Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) Do I have to download Skype now? Ah, okay. Edit: Lol, I wonder who took Elochai on Skype. Anyway, I'm using the name YoSoyElochai. Edited June 29, 2013 by Elochai
susano Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Do I have to download Skype now? Ah, okay. Lemme know when you guys start it. My skype is susano_01
bace Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 add bacesk8 on skype and tell me who you are, Ill add you to the group(domo can do it too but he has this stupid face thing for a name atm)
Synthesis Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 I'll join the skype group. Name is Lady Bernkastel. >:3
jo-p Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Hey guys, I use to be really love playing liz but i fell off a while ago. and im looking to get back into the game and i was just curious where she stands in P4A currently. All the tourneys i watch are still Mitsuru this and Chie that, so is Liz still undiscovered talent? Or are matchups still kicking her ass? lol P.S. Im down for skype, FoxxxyG is the name (don't judge me:keke:) Edited July 26, 2013 by jo-p
Eshi Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 liz would be a good character if yu mitsuru and yosuke weren't in the game
bace Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 honestly yeah if those 3 werent so tough to deal with liz would be fine shes not unplayable match ups just hold her back, she has a lot of really rigged setups for her to just beat people without thinking much.
TheWhiteVoid Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 liz would be a good character if yu mitsuru and yosuke weren't in the game How bad is the Teddie match up? I'm just curious what the opinion is because right now I have nearly as much trouble with him as with those three, and I'm wondering how much of it is just me.
wiredgod Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I'm a teddie player, and I can say it's a pretty bad matchup. His range means he can break your persona easily. Also Teddie Circus (D version) can punish a long distance Maziodyne and Maragidyne for 3k damage. I can't say I have a lot of advice for you here, but user your neutral game to push him into the corner and end the match. Remember that rage increases your damage output, so consider getting the rage can for the +1000 HP and rage status..
TD Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 it is difficult but not as bad. teddie outranges liz and has options against her offense and has a good offense in general. unlike the top 3 he doesn't have that 1/2 attack(s) that > liz clause (though 5b, ja, and 2b are really good vs her), some of his options are more situational and may need careful reads to be effective. despite the neutral being hard liz does get space to think eventually. so yes, he is hard to beat, but not as hard as the top 3 and a few others. still hard though.
TheWhiteVoid Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 so yes, he is hard to beat, but not as hard as the top 3 and a few others. still hard though. Hmm, well a fair amount of the problems I have are probably just me. I have trouble getting that space to think most of the time, it is usually difficult for me to mount an offense against him. At least if you want to go for Liz's IK he is one of the easier characters to try and land it on. What others do you think are worse for Liz than Teddie?
Elochai Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Worse than Teddie IMO would be Yu/Mitsuru/Yosuke.
TheWhiteVoid Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Yeah, I think so also. I said I have almost as much trouble with Teddie as that trio, TD said he isn't as hard as them and a few others so I was wondering who the few others were that fall between Teddie and Yu/Mitsuru/Yosuke. Naoto, Aigis, and Chie all seem pretty tough to me also, I'm not sure I'd put them above him in difficulty though. The match ups that seem easiest for her to handle are Kanji and both of the Labrys. Of course that's just based on my experience so far and I'm at best mediocre.
Elochai Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Fear not for we can be mediocre together. IMO, Naoto isn't a problem MU. It's just very fair (and therefore boring). Naoto can't really take ground on Liz, and Liz can't really advance on Naoto. Most of these matches are (from my experiences/what I've seen) decided upon mistakes of either player (though I suppose this can be said of any MU). It's usually up to someone punishing something wrongly or making a bad decision that leads to death in other words. Otherwise, Naoto just shoots bullets and sets traps all day (while Liz builds enough meter for sb agi omc ). Chie isn't that bad if you make her play your game. I think paralysis is really good in this MU since you can use the range of your attacks to stay at a safe distance. I don't have enough Aigis EXP to comment on that MU unfortunately. I just like to j.D a lot.
TD Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 The neutral vs aigis is pretty ok, Liz can get around 2b which is arguably her best normal, and it isn't hard to get past shields or really anything else given Liz does the proper strategies on time. Orgia isn't horrible to fight though its still very strong. Personally I feel the problems in this match are megido, very hard to predict and stop, and can't be punished on block. Any Orgia combo hurts a lot, and combined with the amazing mixup she gets it may be only a matter of time before Liz gets hit. Then the next oki will likely kill. This is one of those "don't let this character touch you (especially in Orgia mode)" matches. Back on the teddie matchup, adding "and a few others" was likely a mistake on my end. Teddie is probably in the top 5 hardest as it is. But honestly most characters either can body Liz's strategy or have something inherently strong (damage, oki, whatever) which are two things Liz is weak against. It just means she has to be more perfect than everyone else, I suppose. Oh, and lets not forget about the Liz vs Liz matchup
susano Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 I think Mitsuru, Yu and Yosuke are the three biggest problems. Against Naoto, it's a waiting game. IMO, her DP is annoying as hell. It's a matter of baiting, at least for me. I rarely fight Naotos but when I do fight good ones, it gets tough. Teddie can be pretty annoying because of that stupid bat, among other things. Aigis and her 2b can be annoying but its just the matter of not letting her touch you or you're dead. Shadow Labrys has that crazy lockdown game, where it feels like you're stuck and can't get out. Everyone else isn't too bad. If they do update something, I would like to see a lot of Liz improvements to allow her to have a better fighting chance, not to make her OP of course.
TheWhiteVoid Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Naoto's DP is really annoying, the whole fight can be annoying and tedious most of the time. I think I just need more practice dealing with Chie when she gets in, I have a rough time with that sometimes. I can see why both of you would say it's not that bad though. I'm not sure why but Shadow Labrys is one of the match ups I like to play with Liz the most, maybe that's why I don't mind it as much as some of the others. It does get pretty difficult with ones that are adept at coordinating their attacks and the persona attacks. An update that would give Liz a better chance against her worst match ups would be nice, especially since it seems like every other person that plays P4A uses Yu or Yosuke. The fairly small amount of characters in this game really makes having that many bad match ups even worse. While an update would be nice I also really hope we eventually get a sequel, they did seem to allude to that in the story. I would think they would most likely not leave Liz as she is now in a sequel either.
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