HiagoX Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Someone said that because Shooting Star's wallbound time is quite long, you should be able to start corner combos from farther away, which leads to Makoto having more damage output overall. No useful aside from that in those posts, StarGazer.
Eshi Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) I, too, am pretty disappointed with CP Makoto. EX Makoto is really basic and gets incredibly boring after a while. The last thing I was looking forward to is more of the same. My least favorite changes by far are removing 5B's jc on block and the double jump after asteroid vision B/C. She already has issues with her inherent risk of committing to offense since everything is unsafe... that's why her high level play is based around whiff punishing. So why are the making it even MORE risky by removing her only two safe moves? If it's because they want her high level play to be based on boring whiff footsies then why are the nerfing her run speed? Does ArcSys think her EX version was in a good place? That would explain why they're toning most people down. But still, she's sooo boring to me now :/ Edited November 14, 2012 by Eshi
Yazumatto Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I dunno. Maybe it's the faster speed of the game but I don't think Makoto's as bad as I originally thought or as boring as people make her to be. Don't get me wrong, it's still pretty bad but there's a small glimmer of hope that there might be some fun left after all. Also, that new Alexandrite remix is hella metal.
Cryingvoid Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 They may have buffed her hitboxes to compensate for nerfs. Lets wait a week to see her in action. Also, can anyone summorize what new moves she's getting? I believe there was an air super? Or did I just misread the PF ender?
StarGazer Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 I agree on the whole thing that Eshi wrote Guys, forget about the tier for a second and look at how she plays, its like she is the exact same Extend Makoto with even less options. Sigh... i really hope that they have a reason to nerf our int dashing speed like that or bring it back to normal in the final version of the game like what they did in EX. If anything then we do look stronger than EX with everyone being tuned down, but Ragna will still be problematic for our popularity :/ He is easier, stronger, more fun, and looks like he have more potential than us now?!?! (lol?) I highly suspect a big amount of players picking Ragna over Makoto again just like EX. They may have buffed her hitboxes to compensate for nerfs. Lets wait a week to see her in action. Also, can anyone summorize what new moves she's getting? I believe there was an air super? Or did I just misread the PF ender? Maybe, it felt like that when i watched the videos but i can't really judge without testing the hitboxes myself. 5B picking up Valkenhayn i hope it means that they buffed the lower part of it so we can normally otg Jin and Valk, also beat a lot of low profile moves and maybe use it to beat both Noel 2D 4D drives. New Moves are: Cosmic Ray (214A~D): a lungging attack like Hells Fang, disadvantageous on block but it have a strong pushback to keep you safe. Lander Blow (214A~C~D): Slow Start up (can be beaten by mashing) but it's plus on block, a pressure reset move in other words. Crush Trigger (A+B): Universal, takes 25% heat, breaks guard if not blocked by barrier. Shooting star input changed to 236D, you can also do it now without going into AV. Moves description is based on JBBS posts, don't quote me on anything. Bad part is that they say these new moves are near useless lol.
Ragnarok_F4 Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 I think it is still pretty soon to tell she's gonna sucks in CP, there's still time to make changes and people didn't try everything. Also, from the videos I recall that the makoto player connected the crush trigger in the corner combo, tried to connect lander blow a few times (without success), and tested the air-grab, which is useful again. I agree with the part that she's still similar to her EX version, but i don't think she will be at the bottom this time. I'm ok with that, I don't want her to be top tier again (CS1&2). My only worry right now is that her OD doesn't seem more useful than the burst.
Errol Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Lander blow level 2 can be used as a frame trap. lander blow level 3 is supposed to be a killer FC starter It's not just pressure reset
milesw Posted November 18, 2012 Posted November 18, 2012 Youre tripping. I'm hoping she will be top tier. Even though I'm sure she won't be. Fingers crossed.
StarGazer Posted November 18, 2012 Posted November 18, 2012 Too early to call OD useless, if Meteor Dive Groundbounce can combo into 2C then we can do: Hit > OD > DP > 2C > 214BD > Stuff. In corner it might make Cosmic Ray or Lander Blow comboable which enhance our Damage output. tl;dr: OD still have unknown potential. Lander blow level 2 can be used as a frame trap. lander blow level 3 is supposed to be a killer FC starter It's not just pressure reset That's awesome! why didn't you say that earlier?!
Teutonicknight Posted November 18, 2012 Posted November 18, 2012 Lander blow level 2 can be used as a frame trap. lander blow level 3 is supposed to be a killer FC starter It's not just pressure reset That's going to be pretty damn nice if that's true. She could use another quick fatal counter move.
Bibiquadium Posted November 20, 2012 Author Posted November 20, 2012 I'll start updating the first post once the game is out on Nov 21st since what will be posted on jBBS will be legitimate and definite information that won't be subject of change until a later revision of the game if any (there will be more).
StarGazer Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 So much posts on JBBS lately. 605 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 12:31:02 ID:QLO548WQO 5Dからゲイザー5B6A2Dとかができればよかったんだけどなぁ 5Bjcができなくなってアステロの機会が増えたと思ったらjc不可になってるみたいだし このキャラの立ち回りをこれ以上弱くする意味がわからない やる前に自虐してもしゃーないけど 606 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 12:51:52 ID:kxgNnDbo0 別にゲイザー無しでやればいいじゃん ジンヴァルケンは知らん 607 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 13:56:28 ID:3VxoYUeU0 ジンヴァルは画面端の端まで行って密着なら5Bで拾えるようになった 608 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 15:12:27 ID:yZld8SgQ0 今回の基礎コンって何？ 中央ノーゲージは今まで通りラッシュ〆？ 609 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 15:18:59 ID:HjEDvfDA0 ジンヴァルとか5Dのあとルナスター壁張り付きから2Dとか無理そうかな？ 明日試せばいっか 610 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 16:54:22 ID:5mJfglc60 生ODなら持続時間長いんでしょ？ 端で5D＞5CCジャンプキャンセルからODを生出ししたらコンボ伸びそうな予感 バーストも長時間防止出来て、2Cアローも余裕で入るだろうし ただODからJDが間に合うかは分からないけど。コロナダイブがバウンドするらしいからJD間に合わないならこっちも試したいな 611 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 17:30:10 ID:E2onk2nEO 5DからOD>5CC>JDじゃダメ？ 612 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 18:48:14 ID:RSEp4HdA0 EXの最大コンみたいに全Dとスターコメット入れたいけどJB>JDが入り辛くなって現状きつそうだけど とりあえず思いつくのは 5D>2C>スター>5B>6A>2D>コメット(>5CC>JB>JD)>5CC>コロナ 5D>2C>スター>5B>6A>2D>JD>コメット>5CC>コロナ 5D>ルナ>スター>5B>6A>2D>2C>コメット(>5CC>JB>JD)>5CC>コロナ 5D>2D>6C>ルナ>スター>5CC>JB>JD>2C>コメット>5CC>コロナ あたりかねぇ… EXのままだったら2C>コメット>JDの順で発生早いから5B>6A>2Dからどこまで間に合うかと JB>JDもどれくらいで無理になるのかとか調べてみたいわ あとPV見間違いじゃなくコメットの硬直下がってたら 今回は2D3使わず2D1〆コメット起き攻めのが、もしかしたらいいかもしれない CTは姫様なら 5D>2C>CT>6C>ルナ>スター(無理なら5CC>JB>JD)～とか出来そう ODはキャンセルだとゲージ半減するから中央ならルナゲイザー、端なら5Dから使うのが良さげかも？ 投げからの殺しきりに6投げ>AアスA>6Ajc>空ODとかも良さげかも？ と、楽しみすぎて妄想垂れ流す 613 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 19:00:00 ID:iUIyTcFg0 今までのコメットが硬直55Fだっけ PVのコメットは動画30fpsだから単純に倍計算でコマ送り検証してみたけど 発生こそ変わらんものの、発生してから33～35F程度で動き出してるから相当短くなってそうなんだよなあ 614 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 19:08:31 ID:lW5U3gqs0 コメットの硬直がくっそ短かったのは初回ロケテまで それ以降はEXと変わんないよ ５B始動で全D、スター、コメット入れるコンボもどっかで見たよ 615 ：名無しさん：2012/11/20(火) 19:09:02 ID:iUIyTcFg0 あーごめんやっぱ勘違いくさい でもロケテ触った人らはけっこう口揃えて変わってるって言ってるから良い方向に変わってるといいね The combos on post #612 looks feasible, it might be our new opt BnB. The rest of the posts seems to be talking about how poor/lame/boring Makoto is etc... so I picked this interesting batch of posts only. Also this まことのおしっこのみたい ( ^o^) (＼/ ⊂＞ く⊃ ｼﾞｮﾜ ⊂＿＿⊃ wth does it mean :D?
StarGazer Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 http://blazblue.jp/cp/chara_makoto.html Makoto on the official site Cosmic Ray looks effing cool Unlimited Makoto? Sorry for double post （ ´∀｀）
Arc Raizen Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Yeah, I was about to post that, too. I wouldn't say unlimited because her picture and name aren't altered in any way. But then again...she is in OD and that looks like Planet Crusher, but Tager's health is <35%. So...either the Astral requirement changed, or that's some beefed-up ...Particle Flare 1st hit? Cosmic Ray? Her movelist online doesn't have a new super listed. I have no idea... And she has 7 heat...so it can't be Astral since removing 100% Heat and <35% HP requirement is terrible. Edit: It can't be an Astral. Here is the [Google Translated] Astral summary under the system tab on the webpage: "It is absolutely peerless mortal blow away if you hit your opponent with a single blow homely. The following requirements must be met to trigger. -That he is in a state of (victory in the next round of acquisition) match point. • The strength of the opponent is less than or equal to 35%. • The heat gauge is 100%. Character of its own character face icon flashes when the above conditions are met, can be triggered." So...no Burst Requirement anymore, but that picture is now a mystery. Edited November 20, 2012 by Arc Raizen
StarGazer Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 She do have a move that looks exactly like that in her Unlimited form, but yeah the name is not flashing... and there are no new move listed aside the ones we know
HiagoX Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) @StarGazer Nothing more than speculation about Makoto's BnBs and shit. まことのおしっこのみたい ( ^o^) (＼/ ⊂＞ く⊃ ｼﾞｮﾜ ⊂＿＿⊃ "I want to drink Makoto's piss" EDIT: About the DD picture you guys were talking about - It's a OD-only super; it's most likely a powered-up version of Particle Flare. Edited November 20, 2012 by HiagoX
StarGazer Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) EDIT: About the DD picture you guys were talking about - It's a OD-only super; it's most likely a powered-up version of Particle Flare. Awesome! "I want to drink Makoto's piss" Ughh, didn't know that such a thing exist (´Д｀) Thanks for all the translation Hiago <3 Edited November 20, 2012 by StarGazer
Bibiquadium Posted November 20, 2012 Author Posted November 20, 2012 Just give me the game already. And on a side note my Japan trip has been moved to next summer because of studies and other sad reasons, so I won't be able to enjoy its Nesica version.
StarGazer Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Makoto BBCP Color Palettes. Enjoy http://twitpic.com/bex2e6 Speechless Just give me the game already. And on a side note my Japan trip has been moved to next summer because of studies and other sad reasons, so I won't be able to enjoy its Nesica version. Edited November 20, 2012 by StarGazer Fixed the broken image
Bibiquadium Posted November 20, 2012 Author Posted November 20, 2012 Color 11 is all I need, tanned squirrel is hot.
StarGazer Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) but it was D: .... Edit: i'll link it instead Edited November 20, 2012 by StarGazer
Arc Raizen Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 And yet I don't feel too great about her palettes so far. 13 and 15 are OK and that's about it. It seems they removed her CS palette 4 (green clothes + red/orange hair/fur) which I used exclusively, so I am disappoint.
StarGazer Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 I envy you guys, i can't stay on one color, its just straight impossible with Makoto :/
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