Surf Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 It'll take a lot more character development (and lectures from Jubei) for that to change. CP is how long after EX again? I do wonder if Jins story mode will begin with him still training or just leaving Jubei to head to Ikaruga to deal with the present issues. I was also somewhat hoping for Jin to stop being a dickhead in CP but what can you do. I guess I do enjoy his cold side as well. In any case, we all have to remember the Power of Order that was stated multiple times. Jin can't help but feel the need to erase Ragna from existence (erase not kill). It's of course demonstrated in Hakumen, who has a more powerful Power of Order. But yes, Jin has grown I feel. A lot more than WoF Jin. It's even said (forgot by who) that the current Jins Power of Order will most likely exceed Hakumen's someday. And his appreciation to Tsubaki may be the prime reason for that. Now, he may not love Tsubaki as much as she loves him. But the story is showing that he feels a great deal for her. Wither it's romantic or sibling way (that Tsubaki initially laid out with the whole nii-sama tag) is up in the air. I dont know, I just really digging the focus on JinxTsubaki now. Call me a sucker for love
harmless kitten Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 CP is how long after EX again? I do wonder if Jins story mode will begin with him still training or just leaving Jubei to head to Ikaruga to deal with the present issues. Mu's creation happens on 1/7, but he probably didn't leave until a day or two later. CP occurs around the beginning of February--Ragna's ending takes place on 2/2 and Amane's is on 2/3. So, a little less than a month.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 So is like JinxTsubaki the most popular pairing or what?
Orihalcon Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Good Lord what is with all the paragraphs. Can't we have a discussion without trading essays back and forth? And I do think that the focus on Jin and Tsubaki will be a turning point with him; like I said I believe he's not going to entirely shake off Yukianesa's influence right away after being affected by it for years, but I'm sure we'll see it die down. His feelings towards Tsubaki, be them romantic or simply caring about her, will probably contribute to this somehow in that he'll focus more on saving her than killing Ragna. Also, it's not like Hakumen's actions are entirely wrong. If he did indeed kill Ragna it'd honestly save a LOT of time and trouble for a lot of people, and eliminate a bunch of potential threats in doing so. Doesn't make it the best or even the most right solution, but it's certainly not the most wrong one either.
Tokkan Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Most endings in CP are on 2/3, Ragna's is on 2/2, Rachel's is on 2/4. I think Bullet's is a different date since it's a flashback to just a few days before she arrived in Ikaruga and I seem to remember it being different.
NovaFortuna Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 So is like JinxTsubaki the most popular pairing or what? Well it is the official one, though if it wasn't because it's said out loud by the game they are in love and Haku's scene, it would seem is a one sided crush on Tsubaki's side. Jin shows concern about her, but it hardly looks romantic for him.
Orihalcon Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Well it is the official one, though if it wasn't because it's said out loud by the game they are in love and Haku's scene, it would seem is a one sided crush on Tsubaki's side. Jin shows concern about her, but it hardly looks romantic for him. Then in that case, it's not official. Just heavily hinted at. Until Jin himself proclaims his love for her, we won't know if it's official or if it's forever Tsubaki having one-sided love for Jin.
AkihikoSanada Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 k I know this post is older than time but this hasn't been addressed, so... I mean it's just like Noel going all "Ohhh I'm a clone and the world hates me so I'm gonna go all psychoshit and destroy everything" when the plot clearly gives us people in her life that care about her and who SHE KNOWS cares about her like her friends and her parents. I couldn't begin to possibly feel sorry for her. All I felt was "really? Then fuck you. Kill yourself you selfish childish bitch." Are you seriously serious? Oh, yeah, Noel Mu'd out just because she got her style cramped by cloneage. Never mind the fact that a big chunk of her story mode in CS is basically Hazama repeatedly telling her that she sucks and is good for nothing and that no one likes her and that she should go die in a hole. Oh, and Hazama also causes her to go berserk and destroy Bolverk. He says, and I quote, "[bolverk] were limiters designed for the sole purpose of keeping [Noel's] emotions from going batshit insane". So, her hulking out has nothing to do with her being a "selfish childish bitch", and everything to do with her being mentally unbalanced and Hazama being a villain.
Orihalcon Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Oh wow, I missed Ehecatl's post. That's some lulzy shit, it's so stupid.
NovaFortuna Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Thing is there is a whole bunch of symbolism splattered around that "shows" their love, their birthdates, Camelias, the Childish Killer theme. But the important part, their actual relationship is never explored properly. We get many comments and teasing that Tsubaki is all over Jin, but we never get to see them having a moment, talking about something peacefully, doing something for each other. Nothing really that shows actual chemistry or why they developed love for each other, we get some tease scenes, like Jin wiping out Tsubaki's cheek with a napkin, that while really cute, it was in Noel's story as a way of showing that she supported those two more than their relationship. If they showed why Tsubaki is so crazy about Jin, like Jin was the sweetest guy in the world with her or something that makes understandable her feelings, it would be easier to empathize with her, maybe not justify her jelaousy, but at least understand why she is so touchy about Jin.
Surf Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Mu's creation happens on 1/7, but he probably didn't leave until a day or two later. CP occurs around the beginning of February--Ragna's ending takes place on 2/2 and Amane's is on 2/3. So, a little less than a month. Ah okay thanks clears that question up at least. Not to go off on a tangent here but Relius, all this time I kept telling myself ok. This guy MUST have some elaborate reason to act this way and is actually a good guy in the end. But it's becoming more and more clear that thats not really the case. That he's just a dick. But someone said he fell into the Boundary right? Could someone elaborate on that
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Then in that case, it's not official. Just heavily hinted at. Until Jin himself proclaims his love for her, we won't know if it's official or if it's forever Tsubaki having one-sided love for Jin. To be fair, there is literally no other woman(Or anyone actually except arguably Makoto to a much lesser extent) in the series Jin cares for as much as he does for Tsubaki, so romantic or not, she is still the most important person to him.
Tokkan Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 But someone said he fell into the Boundary right? Could someone elaborate on that Relius was around before the Black Beast emerged, when it emerged he fell into the cauldron and wound up landing 80 years into the future (or 20 years before the story of the games). It was mentioned in Phase 0 that he worked with Shuichiro Ayatsuki on the First Prime Field Device back then but "disappeared" when the Beast emerged. It wasn't elaborated how he was able to still be young after 100 years until CSEX went into further detail on it.
Surf Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Oooooh ok. I always wondered why he was around back then but still looked about in his late 30s now. But isnt it hinted that much of his body is mechanical now. Well, his arm and leg at least So in 20 years time he had the chance to meet Ignis, have Carl and Ada, have Ignis volunteer for Detonator, Ada for Nirvana, and all the other b.s he took part it? I dunno. Doesnt add up too well. Amazing job Mori
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Well he did say he has his current view because when he was making Nirvana, he discovered the "true essence of people" and concluded that they're nothing more than things, and Relius being a man of science decides to further his studies, but feels that observers like Rachel, and Takamaghara are hindering him, which is why he's allied with Hazama. He's not a dick just for the sake of it, he just wants to proceed with his studies.
harmless kitten Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 @NovaFortuna: You're right, their relationship isn't really explored. They've been friends from Tsubaki's childhood and Jin's adolescence, but Tsubaki's romantic affections for him are never really touched upon. (BB likes this kind of thing. It's never really shown why Litchi loved Lotte either.) The whole thing--at least on the romantic part--is mostly one-sided. Hakumen seems to have some feelings for her, but they're of a different sort--he kind of romanticizes Tsubaki. His feelings are wrapped up in regret over what happened and anger over the man he used to be. It's love, but not the love you feel for a romantic partner. Jin sees her state as his fault on some level and wants to save her. You could say that Jin seems like a really amazing guy, and that's why Tsubaki is so jealous. To the general public, Jin is handsome, brave, a war hero and the future head of the Kisaragi family. I can see a lot of girls sighing over him. And yet, because of her family, Tsubaki is essentially forbidden to seek anything with him* no matter her feelings. Far from this tempering her jealousy, it's inflamed it instead. Maybe it'll be explored in story mode, or maybe not. * never mind that the Yayoi family started inbreeding in an attempt to keep having children with high ars magus sync rates. Never mind either that Jin has the second-highest sync in recorded history and that a match could be made if Tsubaki asked her father or something, instead of marrying her off to some cousin or uncle. @Surfeit: Relius is actually in his forties. During Phase 0 he's mentioned to be in his twenties. He disappeared in 2099, and reappeared in 2179. Carl is about, what, 15 max? Ada being a few years older. He could meet Ignis in a few years, have two children with her, and then start working on his research again. Around 2193-2194 he contacts Sector Seven and the events of "that which is inherited" happen. Hmm. Either my memory is off or something weird happened. Noel says that Carl only left a couple years ago (in 2197). Relius must have incorporated Ada into Nirvana after the Sector Seven sidestory.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Oh Blazblue...you and your ship teasing, making fandoms go crazy since 2009.
Surf Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 @Surfeit: Relius is actually in his forties. During Phase 0 he's mentioned to be in his twenties. He disappeared in 2099, and reappeared in 2179. Carl is about, what, 15 max? Ada being a few years older. He could meet Ignis in a few years, have two children with her, and then start working on his research again. Around 2193-2194 he contacts Sector Seven and the events of "that which is inherited" happen. Hmm. Either my memory is off or something weird happened. Noel says that Carl only left a couple years ago (in 2197). Relius must have incorporated Ada into Nirvana after the Sector Seven sidestory. Ok thanks for clearing that up
Orihalcon Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 If they showed why Tsubaki is so crazy about Jin, like Jin was the sweetest guy in the world with her or something that makes understandable her feelings, it would be easier to empathize with her, maybe not justify her jelaousy, but at least understand why she is so touchy about Jin. Somebody doesn't remember any of the scenes of them in the Academy together, or their meeting for the first time as children. To be fair, there is literally no other woman(Or anyone actually except arguably Makoto to a much lesser extent) in the series Jin cares for as much as he does for Tsubaki, so romantic or not, she is still the most important person to him. Never said she wasn't important to him. Just that it's not official whether or not she's important in the manner of a close friend or a lover yet. Jin probably will develop feelings for her, or he may not. We don't know yet.
Tokkan Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 The official contents kit for BBCP has finally confirmed that the game's emblem belongs to Amaterasu.
harmless kitten Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 About time. Happy to see that it was confirmed. @Orihalcon: No, their relationship is told in very broad strokes. It beginning of their friendship is shown, but nothing is said of how Tsubaki came to love Jin as something other than a friend or little sister. Of course, fiction in general likes to do this.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 @Orihalcon: No, their relationship is told in very broad strokes. It beginning of their friendship is shown, but nothing is said of how Tsubaki came to love Jin as something other than a friend or little sister. Of course, fiction in general likes to do this. Welcome to every anime ever.
Orihalcon Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 The official contents kit for BBCP has finally confirmed that the game's emblem belongs to Amaterasu. About damn time. @Orihalcon: No, their relationship is told in very broad strokes. It beginning of their friendship is shown, but nothing is said of how Tsubaki came to love Jin as something other than a friend or little sister. Of course, fiction in general likes to do this. Considering she likes him by the time of the Academy, even a complete moron could get the implication that it just developed naturally as they grew up.
NovaFortuna Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) Yeah, but it's kind of hard to swallow that Tsubaki is so lovestruck that's willing to go against her friends when we don't even see her relationship with Jin (a couple of cute scenes do not make a convincing relationship.) I mean, why is Jin so important to her? Why is she willing to go against Noel, he dear friend who she really loved, for this guy (who is shown to the players as a horrible person for the most time)? She has a huge deal with him, but it's never shown and just telling and expect the players to go with it, it's kind of pretentious, imo. Edited December 11, 2012 by NovaFortuna
Moy_X7 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 The official contents kit for BBCP has finally confirmed that the game's emblem belongs to Amaterasu. I just wanted to believe that the emblem belonged to Saya but it looks like my wish has been shot down Oh well, she could always be a DLC/patch character later down the road. As for the whole "Relius is a dick" thing, he strikes me more as a "chaotic neutral" character than just another evil character like Terumi. He just doesn't care about morals, right or wrong, and all that shit that hinders his progress as a man of science.
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