TD Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Another good one from Rachel: Rachel: You shoudn't use the Azure too much Ragna: Why not? Rachel: Because you shoudn't. And the Ragna became the Black Beast when you're a boss you don't need any sort of explanation. lol was she still an Observer at this time, if so that'd explain why she couldn't. there could also be an 'l will alter the future if l tell you the future' clause in effect which explains why she'd want to keep her mouth shut.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 So what you're saying is Jin must defeat Hakumen once and for all, setting aside the past and actually working toward a better future, but not one predetermined by the shadow cast from his parallel self? In a sense yes, and that's where he's headed. Sharing so many similar moves with Hakumen, except with his own twist. Hakumen knows what Jin is capable of which is why he keeps telling him to grow a pair all the time. The person whose been hardest on Jin is Hakumen, followed by Ragna. Jin seemed more important than Ragna to me in CS. In CS Ragna kind of just loafed around and then freed Noel. But it's Jin that everybody is telling he has places to go and people to see and a destiny to confront. The "I am the Cold Steel" was pretty boss in CS. Only part I liked about him though. That sounds like some good character development for Jin...too good for the writers to probably ever consider. He's headed in that direction, but not necessarily "beating" Hakumen, but surpassing him. Hakumen's presence in the story shows what direction Jin can become and what he's capable of. Hakumen has shown amazing feats throughout this games story; bodying Ragna 69377853509 (for each loop), being the one in a sense who broke the loop, cutting through space and time, bodying people who can't be killed, doing unrealistic things through sheer force of will (like surviving the boundary and ripping Ragna out of Arakune), and PATIENCE (this nigga waited for Ragna in the basement lol for God knows how long).
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Goddamn it Hakumen, just fucking train Jin already he'll become so much more badass if you do.
TPPR10 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 when you're a boss you don't need any sort of explanation. lol was she still an Observer at this time, if so that'd explain why she couldn't. there could also be an 'l will alter the future if l tell you the future' clause in effect which explains why she'd want to keep her mouth shut. Didn't Tagamakahara kick Rachel from being Observer in the beginning of CS after using Tsukyyomi Unit to stop Take-Mikazuchi from blasting Kagutsuchi to the oblivion? Speaking of her being Observer, why did she want to become one in the first place? That would be the only thing I would like to see of Rachel.
mAc Chaos Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 I thought that was just her family's role or something.
TD Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 pretty sure clavis was also an active observer. having the title seems to grant the person alot more power apparently, but to me it seems like a needless position to make already powerful people less powerful by preventing them from being an active member in the world. also curious as to why rachel would want such a position considering her age at the time of acceptance, as well as keeping a position some 70,000+ years. alot of rachel herself is still a mystery...like if she has a mother, why valkenhayn and pets remains fiercely loyal to her (l have the feeling it's not just because they love her), what relations she has with the other Alucards, alot of stuff.
darkblade77 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Rachel's winquote vs Izayoi in arcade is "Don't forget your promise" or something to that effect. Is she referring to something that already happened in the story so far, or something that happens in CP's arcade stories?
Halcyone3 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 why valkenhayn and pets remains fiercely loyal to her (l have the feeling it's not just because they love her), what relations she has with the other Alucards, alot of stuff. Well, Valk is pretty much duty bound to serve the Alucards, and I think Gii and Nago are her familiars (thus bound by magic or whatnot). But tbh, I do think they like her. No matter how duty-bound he may be, Valk's reactions involving Rachel seem pretty damn genuine to me.
kylehyde Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Rachel's winquote vs Izayoi in arcade is "Don't forget your promise" or something to that effect. Is she referring to something that already happened in the story so far, or something that happens in CP's arcade stories? That's new info! Hmm, do you know what she says when she beats Ragna? Is she still as mean as ever?
harmless kitten Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Rachel is still an observer, but she turned down the Observer of the Boundary position. She acts as Hakumen's observer throughout CS and still does phenomena intervention. Valkenhayn honestly feels affection and admiration towards Rachel. He views himself as her servant. I think Gii and Nago are just animated, shape shifting plushies. Or in Nago's case an umbrella.
darkblade77 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) That's new info! Hmm, do you know what she says when she beats Ragna? Is she still as mean as ever? I haven't seen/heard it yet, but I also haven't been looking for it. So if you happen to see it show up during a match vid just link it. My Japanese isn't all that great, but since this game is so anime I can decipher a fair bit of generic common words/phrases. EDIT: Plus there are plenty of users that are way more proficient in the language than I am around here, so even if I can't get it, someone else should be able to. Edited December 16, 2012 by darkblade77
NovaFortuna Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 It would appear she's taking care of that herself, so then what's Jin to do, try to kill Ragna again? Perhaps they could just use one of the two billion of setups that came in CS. One of the many: -Power of Order -His destiny as the antibody -The war of Ikaruga and what he saw there -Yukianesa and Saya -His fate from what he must be saved by Noel (according to Jubei, why he sent her chase him down again) -Kagura (Well he is from the Duodecim) -His actual backstory and the mess of events there Though I can see Mori putting him aside in all of this again. He did say in the last interview that the relationship with Saya will be important for Ragna and Noel (no mention of Jin).
kylehyde Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 I haven't seen/heard it yet, but I also haven't been looking for it. So if you happen to see it show up during a match vid just link it. My Japanese isn't all that great, but since this game is so anime I can decipher a fair bit of generic common words/phrases. EDIT: Plus there are plenty of users that are way more proficient in the language than I am around here, so even if I can't get it, someone else should be able to. No it's ok, I was just curious because Rachel and Ragna happen to be two of my favorite characters in the game. I still think that Jin is going to get a lot of face time in CP, in large part do to Izayoi and Tsubaki. I think Rags might take a back seat to his little bro.
Darlos9D Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Goddamn it Hakumen, just fucking train Jin already he'll become so much more badass if you do. This... this would actually be hilarious in practice, I can only imagine.
darkblade77 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 EDIT: Derp, wrong thread. If I happen to run into Rachel v Ragna and they don't skip the win screen, I'll try and translate the response.
SkyBarrier101 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 I have a quick question, are all the Murakumo Units related? Like a sister relation? And if all the Murakumo Units are clones of Saya, are they related to Ragna, Jin, and Saya?
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 This... this would actually be hilarious in practice, I can only imagine. Arguing with yourself...
harmless kitten Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 I have a quick question, are all the Murakumo Units related? Unknown. Terumi calls the rest of them Noel's brothers and sisters, but he's not saying they're necessarily blood-related. And if all the Murakumo Units are clones of Saya, are they related to Ragna, Jin, and Saya? They are probably not all clones of Saya. The ones that are (Lambda, Noel, and Nu) are genetically related to Ragna and Jin even though they are artificially made. As for whether they're all related, who knows? The precise origin of the siblings is murky. All we have to go is the remark that Ragna was artificially created, and that Jin and Saya are his real little siblings.
Shadow Draygon Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 You guys are making me want to make some comics again with all this silly story discussion.
Nemesis Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 You guys are making me want to make some comics again with all this silly story discussion. >_> i loved the blazen comics..... i laughed my self to sleep like every night I read them! especially the troll booth >_<;; and uhh "no i spent all mine on blow" rofl the tears of laughter
Starlight777 Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 The thought of Ragna and Jin being artificially created just seems really off to me. On what grounds can anyone back that crackpot theory?
harmless kitten Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 Ragna and Terumi skirt very close to saying that he is. It's a little more subtle in the Eng version (where they use the word "puppet," which has different connotations imo), but it's still stated that he's a "doll," i.e. an artificially created human. It happens in the True End, first when Terumi is taunting the downed Ragna (and then gets pissy when he realizes Jubei had already told Ragna), and then again when Ragna is trying to snap Mu out of it. Although, shit this is BB, anything can happen at this point. I certainly wasn't expecting Murakumo Izayoi despite Kokonoe namedropping it as a Murakumo prototype.
Nora Kisaragi Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) Rachel's winquote vs Izayoi in arcade is "Don't forget your promise" or something to that effect. Is she referring to something that already happened in the story so far, or something that happens in CP's arcade stories? Holy shit, Rachel is actually helping Jin out? Hahah. Never woulda thought. She's most likely referring to Tsubaki and Jin's childhood promise. But who knows. Maybe Izayoi forges some new promise in CP or something. Her promise to Jin was the backbone of their story in CS: ""Cross my heart and hope to die, I promise that I will never lie, And if my promise ever does go, I give to you my eternal soul".(Side note: I HOPE THIS ISNT FORESHADOWING TSUBAKI'S DEATH) I'm teh jin story expert here guyz i gawt dis. /shot The thought of Ragna and Jin being artificially created just seems really off to me. On what grounds can anyone back that crackpot theory? Ragna being artifically created is pretty much a fact awaiting official confirmation at this point. Jin? It's very possible. Saya? Your guess is as good as mine. Jin has a birthplace listed in England, though, so... Edited December 17, 2012 by Nora Kisaragi
Zedar90 Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 The thought of Ragna and Jin being artificially created just seems really off to me. On what grounds can anyone back that crackpot theory? In the Japanese version Terumi says to Ragna "She is a doll, a created doll just like you", I think it is hard to not think that Ragna was artificial created.
zephyr07 Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 Rachel's winquote vs Izayoi in arcade is "Don't forget your promise" or something to that effect. Is she referring to something that already happened in the story so far, or something that happens in CP's arcade stories? Can you link this?
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