Zangelin Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 All this talk of Blazblue kart and not a single Icecar reference!? Really guys? I'm disappointed.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 All this talk of Blazblue kart and not a single Icecar reference!? Really guys? I'm disappointed. Jin isn't in the game because he isn't worth including in anything.
Vulcan422 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Jin isn't in the game because he isn't worth including in anything. No, Jin is an unselectable boss who has max stats and broken power ups
Tokkan Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Stupid off-topic hypothetical but unlikely racing game.
Starlight777 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Before we get back to REAL STORY DISCUSSION, I have to ask this. What is the BB version of a Blue Shell?
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 What is the BB version of a Blue Shell? 720 Even when you're losing badly it puts you back in first place.
TPPR10 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Coming back to lifelink thing, I have a little theory that the Azure might have something to do it. We know it can heal the wielder of it (gameplay wise with Ragna and Hazama), so I think it can create a link with another one to keep both wielders alive. Considering the fact that Nu dropped her's everytime she rams that sword through her and Ragna and that she died when she fell into Cauldron alone might support this. On BlazBlue Kart (did you really think I was going to pass this one out?), Rachel can use wind to let her fly pass stuff and Platinum can summon a random item on her will. She can also summon super versions of them. Blue Shells for everyone ALso, because Jin collects motorcycles, his unlockable kart would be ice motorcycle "Icycle" Edited January 25, 2013 by TPPR10
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 He hasn't really been defeated because the story hasn't reached it's climax yet where the villain gets his ass handed to him truly, for good and all. He'll get his though. It seems Chrono Phantasma is getting there though because there are a few scenes where Terumi looks genuinely caught off guard. Hakumen's story does have a nice scene of him getting owned though. He appears so smug about his victory over Jubei and Hakumen and then he ends up being the one getting screwed. Loved listening to that weasel so pissed and scared shitless when Jubei pulls a trump card on him and he's all "Wait... are you serious? What is this!? Why- Why didn't anyone tell me about this!? Hey. Hey come on guys. Hey, this isn't funny! Wait!! I said WAIT goddamn it!!!" . A good story has the hero & villain constantly in a Lehman's arm race; The hero gets one over the villain, the villain returns the favor tenfold, and so on and so on until the climax where their final battle takes place. Thing is, almost everything Hazama has done to this point as been apart of his plans, and whenever someone has tried to confront him, they've gotten their ass handed to him, or he's clearly not even trying. I'm hoping CP can change this, and it appears to be doing so by shifting villain focus to Relius. @Blazbluekart: Carl & Relius would have Nirvana, and Ignis styled karts.
Ehecatl Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 A good story has the hero & villain constantly in a Lehman's arm race; The hero gets one over the villain, the villain returns the favor tenfold, and so on and so on until the climax where their final battle takes place. Thing is, almost everything Hazama has done to this point as been apart of his plans, and whenever someone has tried to confront him, they've gotten their ass handed to him, or he's clearly not even trying. I'm hoping CP can change this, and it appears to be doing so by shifting villain focus to Relius. @Blazbluekart: Carl & Relius would have Nirvana, and Ignis styled karts. Not necessarily. You do realize there are stories out there where the antagonist was right all along and wins? It's not the quality of a bad story for the antagonist to be brilliant and a step ahead or to win almost every single encounter until the end. Yes, you can over-do it in some plots where it becomes predictable for the antagonist to win-- but you must consider that until Continuum Shift people really didn't "know" Terumi. We got hints of him here and there in Calamity Trigger and he appeared at the end to taunt Ragna and get Noel to observe him, but he was almost a villain I couldn't take seriously. I don't think anyone quite expected him to be as terrifying and in control of events as he turned out to be in Continuum Shift and the game did a nice job of capitalizing off that. Continuum Shift used it's story to really show-case his power and cement him as a real antagonist. And in stories as you mention where the antagonist and protagonist are in a Lehman's arm race, usually BOTH protagonist and antagonist are developing through the course of the story until the protagonist wins out and his actions end up proving the theme of the plot. But not all stories are built where the antagonist himself develops. Sometimes the antagonist isn't supposed to. They're simply a "force of nature" style character that the protagonist has to overcome and Terumi very much appears that way. He didn't develop in Continuum Shift as he had no reason to. And in these kind of stories, the antagonist usually isn't trading blows and losing against the protagonist until the protagonist has developed fully and proven his superiority to both the antagonist and the ideal or counter-theme behind him. When he does defeat him, the story is essentially near it's end. Also, we have to keep in mind the story's pace. To be honest, it hasn't progressed THAT much in terms of character development and plot. Calamity Trigger was more of an extended premise than it's own story. Character's really didn't develop much, if at all. Any development that could have happened was wiped each time Takamagahara reset its system. All it did was establish the "problem". Continuum Shift was the actual "story". Character's developed and the plot moved forward. But they've only really started on the path of their development. Typically a great lesson has to be surpassed before the protagonist(s) finally wins out. So no, I don't think Terumi having tons of plot armor is a bad thing unless that plot armor isn't properly explained and is thrown in "just because". So far, he's just been smart and has planned everything out accordingly. I expect THIS (Chrono Phantasma) to be the one where that armor shatters. And it appears to be if you look at the arcades and have ever seen that screen where Tager busts in like the Koolade man, Caelica shows up, and Hazama has this furious, surprised expression. He clearly wasn't expecting whatever that was. I also am expecting a LOT of clarity to be given. Continuum Shift did an excellent job of providing clarity on Calamtiy Trigger's events. If Chrono Phantasma takes it a step forward and extends that clarity to the rest of the plot, I'll be pleased.
Mucky Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Ps. I can't see BlazBlue Kart being anything but amazing. I can already see Tager using magnetism to slow you down so he wins. Tager wouldn't drive a Kart like everyone else would. He IS the Kart, and he shoots spark bolts out of his mouth.
WillWork4Instal Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Did Azrael face Hazama at all in either one of their arcades? Because from the looks of it, Az canonly could probably be the only one to scratch Terumi. Also, didn't someone point out that Caelica nullifies the Azure or some crap like that? Doesn't that mean she's going to end up screwing Terumi (since she arrives at the end of his story)? And why didn't she age at all? She still looks like a teen, after all these years. inb4 bang is banned in bbkart tourneys due to OP Furin-kurin-za
harmless kitten Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 iirc Azrael faces Valk, Tager, Jin, and Ragna. Celica has the ability to nullify seithr. Passively at that, judging by how Ragna's arm and eye stop working when he's around her in Phase 0, and when she shows up in Hazama's arcade mode. She didn't age because Kokonoe brought her forward in time via the Chrono Phantasma/Illusion of time. The Celica that's an old woman has been dead for something like 7 years now.
Tong Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Did Azrael face Hazama at all in either one of their arcades? Because from the looks of it, Az canonly could probably be the only one to scratch Terumi. Also, didn't someone point out that Caelica nullifies the Azure or some crap like that? Doesn't that mean she's going to end up screwing Terumi (since she arrives at the end of his story)? And why didn't she age at all? She still looks like a teen, after all these years. inb4 bang is banned in bbkart tourneys due to OP Furin-kurin-za Kokonoe summoned a "replica" of her past-self. It's Caelica, but at same time not really (since she died as a Sister)
mAc Chaos Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Hm, that power of hers, no wonder Terumi went out of his way to kill her at the orphanage.
TPPR10 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Hm, that power of hers, no wonder Terumi went out of his way to kill her at the orphanage. That actually makes me wonder, did Terumi purposefully attack Ragna when he took care of Celica (if you think about the first time it happened) or did he just do it for the evulz. Porbally former, but it's something to think about.
Ehecatl Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 iirc Azrael faces Valk, Tager, Jin, and Ragna. Celica has the ability to nullify seithr. Passively at that, judging by how Ragna's arm and eye stop working when he's around her in Phase 0, and when she shows up in Hazama's arcade mode. She didn't age because Kokonoe brought her forward in time via the Chrono Phantasma/Illusion of time. The Celica that's an old woman has been dead for something like 7 years now. Okay. Someone needs to explain: what is the Chrono Phantasma and how did Kokonoe use it? I certainly hope to like Caelica. Personally I can understand why Mori says this plot my go to four games. I mean he's got to explain her and everything the phase books were talking about and that's a buttload by itself. If this game concentrates on clarfying the past and explaining these new characters, I'll be happy.
YoYoCheese Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Okay. Someone needs to explain: what is the Chrono Phantasma and how did Kokonoe use it? I certainly hope to like Caelica. Personally I can understand why Mori says this plot my go to four games. I mean he's got to explain her and everything the phase books were talking about and that's a buttload by itself. If this game concentrates on clarfying the past and explaining these new characters, I'll be happy. The ending of PS4 basically just said that Kokonoe used the Chronophantasma to bring Celica to the present and that her reasons for doing this and what the Chronophantasma actually is will be explained in the console release.
mAc Chaos Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 I just noticed from looking at the character quotes that Mu and Hakumen both describe Ragna as "the world's nightmare." Maybe all that "Dark One" stuff from Hakumen isn't because he's the Black Beast but something inherent about Ragna himself as an agent of chaos.
Tokkan Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 I just noticed from looking at the character quotes that Mu and Hakumen both describe Ragna as "the world's nightmare." Maybe all that "Dark One" stuff from Hakumen isn't because he's the Black Beast but something inherent about Ragna himself as an agent of chaos. It's just inherent in Ragna's place in the cosmic order of BB's world. He's the "World's Destroyer". He was going to be either that or the "Azure Protector". Fate didn't smile on him and he became the former rather than the latter.
mAc Chaos Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 Mu also seems to act like she's doing everybody a favor by destroying him. Even though, she should be opposed to the Power of Order, right?
Tokkan Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 Mu also seems to act like she's doing everybody a favor by destroying him. Even though, she should be opposed to the Power of Order, right? Eh, but Mu at that time thought she'd be doing everyone a favour by destroying the world herself.
kylehyde Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 I thought Mu just wanted to kill everyone, Jin and Hakumen included. Still, if your called "The World's Nightmare" you must be pretty badass to earn that title lol.
harmless kitten Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 I've been saying the same stuff about Ragna's fate for two months. Arakune also has a freakout in CT (depending on what choice you pick when you devour Ragna) and he spazzes out about heat and a horrible nightmare and something else, then immediately spits Ragna back out. The sequence was almost as trippy as when he devours Ragna in CS. Mu also wants to destroy herself, so I don't think she's a good indication of anything.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 It's just inherent in Ragna's place in the cosmic order of BB's world. He's the "World's Destroyer". He was going to be either that or the "Azure Protector". Fate didn't smile on him and he became the former rather than the latter. Didn't Jubei say he has the potential to be either the former or the latter depending on how things play out? Then again, he said that when Ragna was a child so he may as well become the world's destroyer. I think it's because out of all of the characters in the BB world, Ragna is the one with the most potential to just say "Fuck the world, I'm killing everything".
mAc Chaos Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 I've been saying the same stuff about Ragna's fate for two months. Arakune also has a freakout in CT (depending on what choice you pick when you devour Ragna) and he spazzes out about heat and a horrible nightmare and something else, then immediately spits Ragna back out. The sequence was almost as trippy as when he devours Ragna in CS. Mu also wants to destroy herself, so I don't think she's a good indication of anything. It's more the fact that Mu recognizes Ragna as such, like it's an objective thing, same with Jin ("the endbringer") and Hakumen ("the world's choice") and Hazama ("black Susanooh"). Where is she even getting this information from. It's like once she becomes Mu she taps into some pool of knowledge or is fighting for some greater entity just like Jin and the Power of Order.
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