mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Not suggesting you regret it, but you wanted to know if anyone else feels that way, and it's quite clear, that no, nobody else does. Like i said before i don't have any problem with that and for me is still possible for Jubei to become the owner of the amaterasu unit but thanks to tell me the answer again.
Tong Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Man... If you can somehow back-up that theory using valid observations and facts. We barely know anything about Jubei, leave alone Amaterasu. So you can't just explain "what you don't know" with "whatever I feel like". The story gives us few clues about them, not to mention they keep throwing non-sense terms at us. So it's a really complicated (Well, BB itself is) to formulate something plausible out of it.
WillWork4Instal Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) Man... If you can somehow back-up that theory using valid observations and facts. In my valid obsevation, Jubei is Japanese cat. Japanese cats like giant ass robots. Fact to prove this: Kokonoe and Tager/Lambda. Therefore, Jubei & Amaterasu are perfectly compatible. inb4 someone takes this seriously Edited February 10, 2013 by WillWork4Instal
SkyBarrier101 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Man... If you can somehow back-up that theory using valid observations and facts. We barely know anything about Jubei, leave alone Amaterasu. So you can't just explain "what you don't know" with "whatever I feel like". The story gives us few clues about them, not to mention they keep throwing non-sense terms at us. So it's a really complicated (Well, BB itself is) to formulate something plausible out of it. I agree with your statement, we don't know anything about Jubei and Amaterasu, that reminds of this one time when I was on gamefaqs and this one guy thought Nu was the "real" Saya ._.
Master Of Chaos Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 In my valid obsevation, Jubei is Japanese cat. Japanese cats like giant ass robots. Fact to prove this: Kokonoe and Tager/Lambda. Therefore, Jubei & Amaterasu are perfectly compatible. inb4 someone takes this seriously I approve of this theory. Make it happen ASW.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Now i will explain how he got the Amaterasu unit(in my theory),the clue is hiding at the start point in phase zero when he lost against the remnant of the black beast at that time to he got the Amaterasu unit.
Tong Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Now i will explain how he got the Amaterasu unit(in my theory),the clue is hiding at the start point in phase zero when he lost against the remnant of the black beast at that time to he got the Amaterasu unit. But Amaterasu is inside the boundary, and only Prime Field devices can reach it. More specifically the Eye, who wields the True Azure. At that point (Phaze Zero) there weren't any sucessful attempts in contacting her, so how did Jubei do it?
TPPR10 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 mitsuyoshi, please stop. Every one here finds your theory lunatic and you are not making it any better. I already find your idea of Amaterasu having an owner (I think Amaterasu is some sort of super computer in sense), but bringing Jubei into it just is just wtf, brah.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 I will not stop and i will not force you all to believe it anyway but at least i want to completely explain my theory and did you forget what black beast true form is? Black beast is a cauldron and cauldron connect to boundary,that's why i think when the black beast attack him he was sent to the boundary and no one has enter the boundary that way except him and at that time he got the amaterasu power.
Tong Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Getting eaten by the Black beast will only result in your death. In Relius' case, he apparenly just fell in the cauldron. If anything, his Sekigan is the closest thing he has in order to reach the Boundary, but that probably requires his eye in sacrifice. No human/living being can survive inside the boundary.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Getting eaten by the Black beast will only result in your death. In Relius' case, he apparenly just fell in the cauldron. If anything, his Sekigan is the closest thing he has in order to reach the Boundary, but that probably requires his eye in sacrifice. No human/living being can survive inside the boundary. Well in my opinion his Sekigan is his connector to the master unit and he got it right after he see the master unit inside the boundary and because of that he manage to break free from the black beast and has his right eye as his sacrifice he pay after gaining the amaterasu power and his life,i don't think he has a power like that before he got eaten by the black beast and the proof he still alive after get eaten by the black beast is more than enough.
SkyBarrier101 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Well in my opinion his Sekigan is his connector to the master unit and he got it right after he see the master unit inside the boundary and because of that he manage to break free from the black beast and has his right eye as his sacrifice he pay after gaining the amaterasu power and his life,i don't think he has a power like that before he got eaten by the black beast and the proof he still alive after get eaten by the black beast is more than enough. I think Nine taught him Sekigan ._. Your explanation is way off
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 I think Nine taught him Sekigan ._. Your explanation is way off Sorry but you wrong,no one know how he got his Sekigan from the first place and i think my explanation will explain how he's manage to survive being eaten by a monster who is merciless,heartless and cannot be defeated by their current knowledge. No one know about Sekigan including Terumi and Nine because he never show it except at the flashback that happened in CS and if you look carefully the Sekigan emblem that appear in the Jubei face when he use it (the image i use as my avatar)is a little similar with the Amaterasu emblem.
SkyBarrier101 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Sorry but you wrong,no one know how he got his Sekigan from the first place and i think my explanation will explain how he's manage to survive being eaten by a monster who is merciless,heartless and cannot be defeated by their current knowledge. No one know about Sekigan including Terumi and Nine because he never show it except at the flashback that happened in CS and if you look carefully the Sekigan emblem that appear in the Jubei face when he use it (the image i use as my avatar)is a little similar with the Amaterasu emblem. Or it was an ability his nox nyctores possessed ._. whatever, just watch when Jubei ISN'T the one who posses the master unit afterall
Tong Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Well in my opinion his Sekigan is his connector to the master unit and he got it right after he see the master unit inside the boundary and because of that he manage to break free from the black beast and has his right eye as his sacrifice he pay after gaining the amaterasu power and his life,i don't think he has a power like that before he got eaten by the black beast and the proof he still alive after get eaten by the black beast is more than enough. But no one knew of Jubei's special ability before the war ended and when Terumi threw him and Hakumen in The Edge, Terumi didn't have the slightest idea of wtf that was nor knew that he was able to do that. And THAT IS HOW you make a good point, by connecting actual facts and events. His Sekigan *may* be related to something more powerful or divine, it's not really impossible. However, it's still way too forced to connect that with Amaterasu. I think his Sekigan is actually a technique unique to his clan or something.
WillWork4Instal Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 His Sekigan *may* be related to something more powerful or divine, it's not really impossible. However, it's still way too forced to connect that with Amaterasu. Divinty could relate to the God Dance that we were unsure of in the tags. Maybe that's Amane's plot device after all. Having to dance with Jubei (using Sekugan) in order to summon Amaterasu. It's too forced with ONLY Jubei; maybe he just needed Amane to help summon it. Can't fool me ArcSys
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Well if his Sekigan is a technique from his clan then his brother don't need to die while fighting Terumi beside are you really think a technique to seal people to the boundary can be use by a small clan? I really doubt it because that will not explain why Terumi is really surprise when he use Sekigan,i think he surprise because he really don't expect him as the master unit owner.
SkyBarrier101 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Well if his Sekigan is a technique from his clan then his brother don't need to die while fighting Terumi beside are you really think a technique to seal people to the boundary can be use by a small clan? I really doubt it because that will not explain why Terumi is really surprise when he use Sekigan,i think he surprise because he really don't expect him as the master unit owner. Let's face reality, if he really is the master unit's owner, how come NO ONE brought it up? Not even Terumi? Hell, even Hakumen would bring it up!
Tong Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Its power apparently is not exactly seal people in the boundary, it seems more like it switches places with someone or something Jubei wishes by creating a dimensional rip in space and time. If this is the case, then Sekigan is not really a hack of sorts... it's just the situation made it appear so. Which could also explain why Tomonori couldn't beat Terumi, even with such technique, that wasn't cut for the situation.
NovaFortuna Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Let's face reality, if he really is the master unit's owner, how come NO ONE brought it up? Not even Terumi? Hell, even Hakumen would bring it up! I actually wonder if at this point it's possible to have anything new in the story without a character going: "GASP, you can't mean that what I know but the players don't!". I mean have a surprise factor for the actual characters as well
harmless kitten Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 I think more people (Rachel, Terumi, Hakumen, etc) would give more fucks about Jubei if he was connected to the Master Unit. I guess it's possible (in the sense that Taokaka being related to the Master Unit is possible), but I don't think it's very probable. There's nothing to really suggest it in any of the games or supplementary material, AFAIK. I don't really see the resemblance between Amaterasu's emblem and Jubei's Sekigan. Parts of the emblem resemble Tsukiyomi's (fittingly enough), but Jubei's Sekigan? Eh. The only thing they have in common is there's a bunch of circles and they're both colored shining gold.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) Then i have a question,why they show us the event when they fight Terumi and show us a little of Jubei power and why Terumi doesn't want to gain the power of the master unit instead of destroying it? Master unit is the administrator of time surely it can mess with people memory by showing a illusion to fool it target by showing another possibility in the target mind and it will really resemble the title Chrono Phantasma and when the illusion fade a distortion will occur and it will resulting a phenomenon named Chrono Phantasma that can bring people from the past to the present because of the Master unit getting forced summon to this world outside his owner will and look it more closely the circle is located in his eye and his forehead,it look like a eye in master unit emblem(the one that located in his eye) and clock that have a connection to the master unit. Edited February 10, 2013 by mitsuyoshi
TPPR10 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Why they show us bit of Jubei's power? Because they want to show us what Jubei can actually do. They cannot simply say he's the strongest creature on the world without any proof. Another thing I want to say: Why on Earth's name would Amaterasu even NEED an user? Heck, if Jubei was Amaterasu's user, then why did the creation of Black Beast loop kept on happening? Gun's don't kill people, people do. That is, unless the gun is automatic. Where Sekigan has power to rip through time and space, it relation to Sankishin Units is for not vague to the point of nonexsistence.
Tong Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Yeah, I think that Amaterasu may be actually sentient.
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