zeth07 Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) *Note* - When browsing the Azrael forums please follow the rules of the site, failure to do so will result in a Infraction. If you do not know the rules you can check them here -> Site Rules. Gameplay Discussion Only Please!:Remember to keep the discussion strictly gameplay related.Feel free to discuss Match Videos, Combos, Mixups, Strategies, etc.Please take all Story related discussion to the Chrono Phantasma Story Thread = Here!Please take any off-topic Azrael discussion to the Azrael Group found HERE! -> http://www.dustloop.com/forums/group.php?groupid=106 Things To Do List (as of 10/23/13):-Go over some aspects of the threads/Wiki again, and adjust as needed.-Make Critique Thread for console release.-Create "Basic" and "In-Depth Character Tutorial" Video/s, not just covering combos. Things Done List (as of 10/23/13): Collapsed: ] [list: [*]-Make changes to the combo thread. (10/23/13) [*]-Update video thread. (10/22/13) [*]-Make Match-up Threads. (10/22/13) [*]-FULL Update of Video Thread 1st post. (8/21/13) [*]-Update Video Thread 1st post. (7/1/13) [*]-Create Azrael General Discussion Group. [*]-Added FAQ section to the Character Overview thread. (5/23/13) [*]-Cleaned up some portions of the threads. (5/21/13) [*]-Possibly make separate "Character Guide" Thread, to cover gameplay strategies. (5/21/13) [*]-Revamped "Link" section in the Combo Thread. (05/19/13) [*]-Added a "Pressure" section in the Combo Thread/Wiki, re-titled to reflect this. [*]-Update Video/Player List (05/16/13). [*]-Change Wiki graphics as needed once data/game is released. [*]-Update 1st post of Video Thread (04/15/13). [*]-Update Frame Data with full translated info. [*]-Possibly restructure Video Thread. [*]-Add Full Frame Data from Mook, besides needed translations. [*]-Add Basic Frame Data from Mook. [*]-Update Video Thread in full as of most recent postings. (03/18/2013) [*]-Adjusted Video Thread and Combo Thread "formatting" for easier browsing. [*]-Do combo notation for Valiant Charger combo video, add any combos not already in thread. [*]-Removed some clutter from "Character Overview" Thread, added more Pros/Cons. [*]-Get base information of Azrael Wiki added. [*]-Revamped the Basic Combo section in the Combo Thread. [*]-Make changes to Combo Theory section in Combo Thread. [*]-Clean-up Combo Thread. [*]-Make new sticky/locked thread for Azrael "Guide" "Read Here First" (General Thread 1st Post now). [*]-Reorganize Combo Thread. [*]-Do combo notation for the 2 other recent combo videos and add to the Combo Thread. [*]-Make some organization changes to Video Thread player list again. Edited October 23, 2013 by zeth07
Kurushii Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 I believe the correct name for the drive is "The Terror". I have some of my own notes at home ill add and clean this up some when I get off work.
zeth07 Posted November 14, 2012 Author Posted November 14, 2012 I believe the correct name for the drive is "The Terror". I have some of my own notes at home ill add and clean this up some when I get off work. Thanks, I'm still going through it myself since a lot of it is redundant since I was just putting all the info together at first. But every little bit helps.
DaiAndOh Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Valiant charger reminds me of boost from HnK in looks. Oddly enough, OP doesn't mention is dash being a teleport dash.
Amadeus46Art Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 I asked this on Twitter but never got a surefire answer, so if we have ANYONE in Japan who can test this it'd be cool. Basically I know that, in GG, Slayer can cancel the startup of his backdash with a jump, then cancel the jump startup with a special move. This lets him use special moves while retaining the invincibility of his backdash. This is called a "Backdash Cancel", and it is a very strong, albeit difficult technique for Slayer players. Now, since Azrael has the same teleport-type dash as Slayer does, I'm wondering if the BB engine is similar enough to the GG engine to allow a similar sort of Backdash Cancel. If we have anyone that can test this, it would be awesome.
zeth07 Posted November 14, 2012 Author Posted November 14, 2012 I asked this on Twitter but never got a surefire answer, so if we have ANYONE in Japan who can test this it'd be cool. Basically I know that, in GG, Slayer can cancel the startup of his backdash with a jump, then cancel the jump startup with a special move. This lets him use special moves while retaining the invincibility of his backdash. This is called a "Backdash Cancel", and it is a very strong, albeit difficult technique for Slayer players. Now, since Azrael has the same teleport-type dash as Slayer does, I'm wondering if the BB engine is similar enough to the GG engine to allow a similar sort of Backdash Cancel. If we have anyone that can test this, it would be awesome. Apparently his back dash cannot be jump cancelled but his forward dash can. It is in the info from the post but maybe it was lost in there as you were reading it the first time. I went and made his movement it's own section with that part in there probably as you were typing that.
Amadeus46Art Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Alright, cool, and thanks. It was just something I was a little curious on, and not sure if it was overlooked.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Zeth for Azrael mod, I see it in flashing neon lights :3 His dashes look incredibly strong. I'm curious as to how his damage will rake up compared to previous versions of Hakumen and CP Hakumen. Based off the loketest, Tager is going to have a REALLY hard time magnetizing him. The post about slayer movements soudns interesting, now I now why slayers moves come out of the blue and so safe x[
Juunee Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 So he has like 4 overhead options from neutral and a divekick. Throw in slayer dash, UB set-ups, and a reversal and you have got a scary character.
YukiBlue Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I just wish he had Slayers' boss walk. The animation is just too godlike.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 So he has like 4 overhead options from neutral and a divekick. Throw in slayer dash, UB set-ups, and a reversal and you have got a scary character. One of those gound overheads looks really unsafe on block though.
Juunee Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Just gotta RC it then. Especially if it leaves you airborne since they're then in the additional stand-up or get hit by the empty jump low mix-up.
Kurushii Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Massive overhaul of the opening post. /done
SoWL Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Great job with all those screenshots, I should do it with Bullet's moves.
DaiAndOh Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Excellent job with OP! Vids in one week too!
YukiBlue Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 What do you think about Azrael's "Divekick" (We may aswel just refer to it as that outside of notation tbh). I'd love to think we can combo off it on a regular hit, seriously. I know it won't be anywhere as good as it is in SF, But I'm trying to kid myself it's going to be one of his strong pressure reset tools. Can we dream?
Kurushii Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I wonder if it's chargeable or does it always have that long set startup. I wouldn't be surprised if you have to land the hit in the middle to lower section of the opponents hitbox to get a good followup combo. I think his j.2D is more dreamy than the dive kick. Reminds me of C.Viper's flame kick. With such a wide hitbox be great for crossups.
YukiBlue Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Yeah the start up looked pretty chunky. Maybe it could be used for some fake crossup tricky much like Jin's IAD xx EX Swords. Making them block a crossup etc. That would be decent, if only we knew it's hit stun.
zeth07 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) What do you think about Azrael's "Divekick" (We may aswel just refer to it as that outside of notation tbh). I'd love to think we can combo off it on a regular hit, seriously. I know it won't be anywhere as good as it is in SF, But I'm trying to kid myself it's going to be one of his strong pressure reset tools. Can we dream? It seems like you can combo off it if it is Air to Ground. But Air to Air it will knockdown, just think of it like Bang's j.C I guess. I'm almost positive I saw someone combo after it when the opponent was on the ground. EDIT: It also won't be as good as it would seem simply because of BB's tech system, also that delay before he comes down really kills it in terms of really putting on good pressure with it. I guess we'll see how it turns out though. I wonder if it's chargeable or does it always have that long set startup. I wouldn't be surprised if you have to land the hit in the middle to lower section of the opponents hitbox to get a good followup combo. I think his j.2D is more dreamy than the dive kick. Reminds me of C.Viper's flame kick. With such a wide hitbox be great for crossups. j.2D does seem really good. From the videos I think one of the Azrael's was really spamming it, not to mention if it hits he gets the Lower Weakness added to the opponent. EDIT: Finished adding all the info I found for now. Edited November 15, 2012 by zeth07
YukiBlue Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 If it's as good as Bang's j.C I'll be super happy. Any ideas about his average damage output? His simple combos in Loketest's looked like they did really solid damage, I can't wait to see him get fleshed out over these next few months. I'm going to get as much info about this character as I can. Really interested in him. If I find anything I'll PM Zeth or something.
Kurushii Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 If you find something just post it here. :3
zeth07 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) If it's as good as Bang's j.C I'll be super happy. Any ideas about his average damage output? His simple combos in Loketest's looked like they did really solid damage, I can't wait to see him get fleshed out over these next few months. I'm going to get as much info about this character as I can. Really interested in him. If I find anything I'll PM Zeth or something. Without any weakpoints, it seems like over 2.5k. With weakpoints it seems like over 3k-3.5k can happen. With meter and weakpoints it is definitely over 3.5k-4k+. Examples: Combo off 5A, possibly with no weakpoint did 3k. Combo off Throw with weakpoint did 3.8k Combo off charged Valiant Crash with BOTH weakpoints did 4.3k METERLESS Combo off 5BB with 50% did over 4k. Combo off 5A with weakpoint with 50% did 4.2k. Edited November 15, 2012 by zeth07
YukiBlue Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Very good damage output. I can imagine him having some devastating punishes from strong starters, excited to get into detail with this dude.
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