[CP] Jin Gameplay Discussion

[Moy_X7]

Hope that the 6C change doesn't stick, there goes 6C > 2D and 6C > 214B in the corner if it does.

 

I don't know how to feel about knockdown CH Ice Blades but 5D > Special Cancel is always a welcome addition.

[Errol]

moy you don't even play this game

 

you play league

[shtkn]

off 6C spin state, you can probably do 6C > 6B > stuff.

 

on fatal, can probably loop 5C > 6C > 6B two or three times haha

 

...maybe even link 6B into 6C!?! time to training mode

 

edit: testing FC 5D > 214D RC > 6B > 6C didn't work for me

[xlolxlolx]

dogura described spin state as the blowback spinning

 

ch fireball can be emergency teched, so no otg 2b

 

im thinking maybe stuff like non freeze air hit 2d>ice car followup or if the jump cancel is even early enough to go for an air combo

 

air hit 6b>hizansen doesnt work so im guessing 6b down is emergency techable

 

hizansen landing recovery almost non-existant, probably go to corner route if ice car and sekka changes stick, maybe some weird shit like 6c>2d>iad j.2c>hizansen>dash 2b?idk

 

apparently can only followup ex ice car and dp in corner with 2b

[Moy_X7]

moy you don't even play this game

 

you play league

I wish I even had time for LoL with the way my current schedule is looking like

 

Whatevs, we should always take the early location test changes with a grain of salt. Half of these changes will probably not make it to the final version.

[shtkn]

so 6C is just a visual change then? ok, no funny fatal loops then i guess

 

as for the rest, it seems like most combo routes have been nerfed... which is like everyone else haha. oh well, guess we'll see how that goes.

[Errol]

does anyone recall how long it has been from loketest 1 to final loketest to release in the past? I feel like it was maybe, a month from start to finish? Could it be 2 months?

[Hollysmoke]

Here's an update:

- 6C on hit causes spin state, guess no bounce? 
- 623D, 2nd hit cause wall bounce 
- 236A, knockdown on ch 
- OD HIyoku, no visual change
- 6A not throw cancelable anymore 
- Opponent falls faster and farther away after j.D
- JD more knockback 
- 6C>214B corner doesnt work 
- 6C>22C corner cant do followup 
- Cdp slightly lower

[shtkn]

From stunedge https://twitter.com/hc0519/status/497482460125339648

Jin

- OD Touga looks even cooler

- when doing Sekka against opponent in freeze, it will not de-froze them, so sth 5C>5D>sekka>6C works

this sounds like a crazy new route to me, but don't forget, you need to be close to the opponent for sekkajin to work, so it's not as strong as it seems

[Dawn of Musou]

It'll be a pretty nice corner combo route though. I admit, I want to test this out.

 

Although I wonder if we can still follow up Sekka in the corner?

 

Also what would we follow up 6C with in that combo? Going into 2D won't have any freeze although we might be able to special cancel into 214B/214D.

[shtkn]

2D won't freeze but it'd be jump cancelable, so probably air combo into hizansen

[Jyosua]

- 6A not throw cancelable anymore 

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

*ahem*

 

I seem to recall someone mentioning 6B grounding the opponent on air hit. If you can't emergency tech it, I imagine 6C > 6B being a viable midscreen route, maybe? Then again, if 6C > 214B doesn't combo in the corner, maybe not.

 

[xlolxlolx]

6c>214b combos, there's just no wallbounce to followup

 

maybe the freeze keep thing will apply to other specials as well like fubuki and ice car

 

looks like the end of 6d freeze oki though

[Dawn of Musou]

6D got nerfed?

 

Edit: Oh wait forget it. Maybe 5D>22C might be our new freeze oki option?

[xlolxlolx]

i think you'd lose too much damage unless there are new filler combo parts that dont use up freeze

 

edit: apparently sekka will freeze if used during any freeze

[shtkn]

haha, 214D(1) > sekkajin here we come

[Dawn of Musou]

5B>5C>3C>214D>Sekka>6C>2D>air combo into HIzansen maybe? And if not, 214B~C depending on 2D's height?

 

Stuff>214D>Sekka>6B>(5B>5C>3C>)Sekka/214B~C?

 

Something like air combo>1st hit of Hizangeki>Sekka>the stuff above

 

A lot of potential here, Maybe you can go into j.2C>j.C from Sekka freeze and replace 6B with that

[xlolxlolx]

near max range 5c>5d>ice car followup ~1.7k

corner throw>dc>sekka>6c>6d>5b blue beats

midscreen 5b>5c>3c>ex dp>dash 2b>5c>air combo ~3.4k

5b>5c>5d>ct doesn't reach midscreen, dunno about corner

some people got 6c to combo after ex ice car followup

ice car followup doesn't do unscaled damage anymore

j.c>j.2c>j.d>hizangeki>2b works

hizansen emergency techable

5d does not fatal, sekka fatals lol team blue 

[Dawn of Musou]

I've had more than 2000 matches with CP Jin online and I'm pretty sure I got less than 5 CH Sekkas in total lmao. How impossible can you make Jin's FC combos

 

Emergency techable Hizansen makes up for the much quicker land recovery I would assume, that kinda sucks.

 

The 200 min damage from 214B~C has won me so many close matches, it'll suck if it's permanently gone.

 

5D>CT works in the corner in CP 1.1 so I would hope it works in CP2, unless 5D got changed somehow?

 

Thanks for the info btw

[xlolxlolx]

loketest 1 hizansen sounds like it's a shitty version of air ice car from pre-cp

 

but yeah....fc sekka sounds pretty useless since they didnt remove the proximity lock thing 

[Moy_X7]

Welp, there goes corner TK Hizansen combos and lol at FC Sekka.

[xlolxlolx]

air hit hit ice sword>2d>j2c>5b>5c>2c>3c drops at 5c>2c, ice sword F starter rip #strongerneutral

corner 5b2>5c>5d>sekka>6c>6d>5b1>5c>2c>hjc>j2c>djc>hizansen 3407

5b2>5c>5d>sekka fails to do all hits and won't freeze

[Dawn of Musou]

Best neutral lol.

 

I'm assuming it fails midscreen? If that's the case then we'll probably just go into ice car for a quick ender after 5D.

 

Btw we can still dash cancel it right?

[eQualz]

Hold in, does 6C spin mean they're spinning on the ground or air spin like CS Fubuki B? Loketests are always weird and funny to read.

[xlolxlolx]

air, so basically the same thing as its been

 

its always hilarious to see what the monkeys working under mori have come up with in the 1st couple loketests

 

anyways, writeup from jbbs and a evernote doc https://www.evernote.com/shard/s445/sh/4e427080-af64-422f-a8fb-14972c63dde9/1cef8fd137f262842ce7436321fb3577

 

 

《通常技》

・6B空中くらい時叩きつけに。 air hit 6b knockdowns

・6Cがきりもみやられに。 6c spinning blowback

・5Dが必殺技キャンセル可能に。 5d special cancellable

・2Dが必殺技キャンセルとヒット時jc可能に。これにより、凍結済みでも2D(jc)>JCなどが可能。2d special cancellable and on hit jump cancellable. with this, even post freeze 2d>jc works 

・JD後の相手の落下速度増加。めくりや5B空中重ねが不可に。空ダJ2C>JCや着地5Bがつながる。falling speed after jd increased. crossup and 5b air hit meaty impossible. air dash j2c>jc and land 5b works

・6Dヒット時、軽く跳ねるように。画面端6C(空中くらい)>6D>2C(空中くらい)>6Cなどが可能。 6d on hit, lightly pushes up. corner 6c>6d>2c(air hit)>6c etc

・投げの凍結時間減少。投げ>dc>J2Cがギリギリつながる。 nage freeze time reduced. nage>dc>j2c just barely connects

 

《必殺技》 

・氷翔剣の弾速上昇、CH時ダウンするように。 ice sword projectile speed up, downs on ch

・霧槍に降りるモーション追加。投げ>霧槍スカは追撃が間に合わない。 ice car falling animation added. nage>ice car whiff followup doesn't work

・霧槍追加のダメージ減少(固定ダメージ削除)、ゲージ回収も3%程度に減少。 ice car followup damage reduced(unscaled damage removed), meter gain reduced to about 3%

・凍結中の相手に雪華をすると再度凍結する。5D>雪華、6D>雪華、D霧槍>雪華、投げ>dc>雪華などが可能。 sekka during freeze refreezes. 5d>sekka, 6d>sekka, d ice car>sekka, nage>dc>sekka works

・氷斬の硬直減少。 hizan recovery reduced

・D氷斬が氷斬のように叩きつけるだけに。 d hizan knocks down like hizan

・霧槍空中くらいが画面端で壁バウンドしないように。 ice car air hit doesn't wallbounce in corner

・雪華空中くらいが画面端で壁バウンドしないように。 sekka air hit doesn't wallbounce in corner

・雪華追加の切り抜け後の距離が1キャラ分くらい空くように。 sekka followup about 1 character space gap after

・裂氷の浮きが低くなった。rehhyou floats lower

・氷連双2段目が画面端で壁バウンドするように。2Bが間に合うが、6Cは間に合わない。 hirensou 2nd hit wallbounces. 2b works, 6c doesnt

・D霧槍追加が画面端で壁張り付きせず、しばらくダウンするように。6Cが間に合う。 d ice car followup doesn't wallstick, downs. 6c possible

・OD時、D氷斬はバウンド。2Dが従来通り間に合う。 during od, d hizan bounces. 2d followup like current version works

・OD時、D霧槍追加が壁張り付きするように。 during od, d ice car followup wallsticks

・OD時、氷連双は通常時同様壁バウンド。追撃は2Bで可能。 during od, hirensou wallbounces like normal ver. 2b followup possible

・氷翼ヒット時吹っ飛ばし、壁バウンドして落ちるように。 hiyoku blowback on hit, wallbounces and falls down

・雪風2段目までのダメージが3100に増加。yukikaze 2nd hit increased to 3100dmg

・OD氷翼のヒット数とダメージ増加。単発で33ヒットの2819ダメージ。保証はおそらく1290ダメージ。 od hiyoku hit count and damage increased. raw 33 hit and 2819 dmg. probably 1290 min dmg

・OD雪風のダメージが3917に増加。od yukikaze increased to 3917 dmg 

・OD凍牙の演出変更。画面が黒くなり、剣をすぐに突き刺す。納刀ポーズは同じ。 od touga cinematic changed. background gets dark, stabs with the sword as soon as it happens. sheathing pose unchanged.

 

《コンボ》 

midscreen 

①5B>5C>5D>sekka>dash 5B>5C>2C>3C>ice car>followup 

②(5Bcrouchhit>5C>)6C>2D>6C>2D(hjc)>JC>J2C(jc)>JC>hizan 

③throw>dc>6Bor【J2C>JC】>5B>2B>5C>3C>ice car>followup 

 

corner

①5B>5C>3C>hirensou>dash 2B>5C>2C(hjc)>JC>J2C(jc)>J2C>JC>hizan 

②6C>6D>6C>6D>5B>5C>2C(hjc)>JC>J2C(jc)>JC>hizan 

③6C>CT>6C>D ice car whiff>followup>2C>6C>6D>2C>6C>cOD>6C>6D>6B>hizan>walk fubuki>touga←7005dmg