[CP] Ragna Combo Thread/Discussion

[Callisto]

you might be able to squeeze j.C j.D jc j.C in before the BE instead of just the j.C

Does BS by itself give the knockdown status needed for 22C?

[Fistmaster049]

you might be able to squeeze j.C j.D jc j.C in before the BE instead of just the j.C

Does BS by itself give the knockdown status needed for 22C?

I can, takes the damage up to 4522 Thanks

And yes it does similar to how 6B and 3C do but only the air version

[jetblaksuit]

Whats the best way to properly test life gain on a combo?

[floatwater]

It depends on what D normals and specials you use. I'm don't completely know it, but each D has a modifier on a normal/special. Some are better than the others. It multiplies the more you use it in a said combo.

[Final Ultima]

Whats the best way to properly test life gain on a combo?

As long as you have the values, you can work it out mathematically.

For those that aren't already aware, here are the new values and modifiers. Numbers in parentheses represent lifesteal during Over Drive.

5D, 2D, 6D, j.D: 100 (125)

Tsuika Kougeki (Additional Attack): 200 (300)

D Inferno Divider: 50+50 (75+75)

Kakato Otoshi (Ax Kick): 100 (150)

Keri Age (Spin Kick): 100 (150)

Dead Spike: 100 (100*3)

Blood Scythe: 300 (450)

Carnage Scissors: 200 (200+50*4)

Yami ni Kuwarero (Devoured by Darkness): 500 (1000)

The new rate for lifesteal during combos is 100% > 90%, then +5% for each hit until 150%, then 160%, then 180%. 180% is the cap. Multiple hits with the Soul Eater property within the same move are now counted separately.

[Fistmaster049]

Far from optimal and pretty impactial but I did think it might be worth noting

The combo has corner to corner carry and seems to work on everyone

5B - 6A - j.c j.C - j.c j.C - j.D - BS - rapid before you land - 5C - j.c j.C - j.c j.C - j.D - BE - CS = 3843 dmg and corner to corner carry

[VR-Raiden]

Best meterless airthrow combos?

Midscreen:

airthrow > dash 5C > HF > 5B > 6A > tkBS > dash 5B > 5D > DID - 3128/22

Midscreen-to-corner:

airthrow > (dash) 5C > HF > 5B > (delay) 5C > sj.C > j.D > BE > dash 5D > DID - 3283/23

Better one for midscreen/midscreen-to-corner (thanks xlolxlolx):

air throw>dash 5c>5d(1)>hf>5b>6a>tk bs>dash 5b>6a>hj.d>dj.c>DID - 3235/23

Corner:

airthrow > BE > dash 3C > 22C DC > 5B > 5C > 5D > HF - 3349/22

Better corner one:

Edited November 3, 2013 by VR-Raiden

[Fistmaster049]

I found a very slightly better corner combo

Airthrow>BE>dash 3C>22C>DS>5C>6A>j.c j.D>j.c j.D> DID = 3457 dmg and 22 meter

Will note the timing on the second j.D is very tight but doable

Edited November 3, 2013 by Fistmaster049

[capsuletoyco]

does anyone know why the Berial Edge whiffs half the time during this combo? corner 5b,5c,DID (2hits) 3c, 22c, DS, 5c, JC, BE, 5d, HF.This combo also works off of 6b...

It's more consistent if you get 1 hit of DID, but it would be nice to get that little extra damage. It seems to be more consistent on ragna and characters with bigger hitboxes, but I've been unable to get it on Jin getting both hits of DID.

[floatwater]

Connecting the last hit of belial is "tougher" in this game, you kind of don't want to be all up in their hitbox.

[capsuletoyco]

that's not what I'm talking about at all.

[floatwater]

does anyone know why the Berial Edge whiffs half the time during this combo?

:V

[xlolxlolx]

does anyone know why the Berial Edge whiffs half the time during this combo? corner 5b,5c,DID (2hits) 3c, 22c, DS, 5c, JC, BE, 5d, HF.This combo also works off of 6b...

It's more consistent if you get 1 hit of DID, but it would be nice to get that little extra damage. It seems to be more consistent on ragna and characters with bigger hitboxes, but I've been unable to get it on Jin getting both hits of DID.

pretty certain its a hitbox issue that has to do with how long it takes 3c>madao to connect and how many frames it takes for BE to connect after j.c

[Callisto]

Might be a bit late/already posted but perhaps this may be another decent combo to add?

In my first 2 hours of play I've tried finding some uses for BS - 22C

Needs crouching and a corner

5C - 6C(2) - 6D - BS - 22C - DS - 5C - j.c j.C - BE - 5D(2) - DID into axe kick = 4458 damage and 29 heat gain

potential?

Just wanted to come back to this one for a second, it looks like you can do your first version with just the single j.C > BE off of 5B > 5C > 6C, to have a slightly more practical starter, still a really decent chunk of damage and heat.

Also is there something specific I can do to help the Hell's Fang followup not whiff at the end of a long combo? I would end with HF more but the combo drops before the followup too often, and I can't tell if it's because I'm doing it too late and running out of untechable time, or if I'm doing it too early and it's whiffing.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Callisto

[Psycho Hibiki]

Question, aside from SMP reasons in what situations is it more beneficial to end combos with hells fang as opposed to D ID?

[Fistmaster049]

Question, aside from SMP reasons in what situations is it more beneficial to end combos with hells fang as opposed to D ID?

Hell's fang builds more meter, although if you can manage it at the end of a combo D ID is the better ender due to the little bit of oki you can get off Axe kick

[Ajantas]

Hell's fang builds more meter, although if you can manage it at the end of a combo D ID is the better ender due to the little bit of oki you can get off Axe kick

Maybe I am using the wrong combos but with meter proration I only seem to feel like I get an additional 1-2 heat from HF ender compared to DID. Though since my DID input has been 50/50 as of late I just do a CID since I am a coward

[Fistmaster049]

Maybe I am using the wrong combos but with meter proration I only seem to feel like I get an additional 1-2 heat from HF ender compared to DID. Though since my DID input has been 50/50 as of late I just do a CID since I am a coward

At the end of really long combos I wouldn't imagine it would build much meter but off of his ground bnbs I'm pretty sure it builds more than D ID, granted not much more

also just do what I was taught by VR Raiden, Input 623D and hold the 3 not letting your thumb slip onto 6

[WolfCrimson]

A nice corner-to-corner OD combo, done at full health: (tested on terumi and kagura)

5B > 5C > 3C > cOD > 5B > 5D(1) > GH > KA (OD ends) > dash 3C > 22C > DC > dash 5C > HF > 5B > DID-upper-axkick

Damage: 4493.

Heat: 29

Edited November 5, 2013 by WolfCrimson

[Dandy J]

does anyone know why the Berial Edge whiffs half the time during this combo? corner 5b,5c,DID (2hits) 3c, 22c, DS, 5c, JC, BE, 5d, HF.This combo also works off of 6b...

It's more consistent if you get 1 hit of DID, but it would be nice to get that little extra damage. It seems to be more consistent on ragna and characters with bigger hitboxes, but I've been unable to get it on Jin getting both hits of DID.

im pretty sure its because of the combo timer. try consciously doing everything at the fastest speed you can, with no delays. personally its missed enough for me that im anti-belial in this game. "The term belial (בליעל bĕli-yaal) is a Hebrew adjective meaning "worthless"" lol

Hell's fang builds more meter, although if you can manage it at the end of a combo D ID is the better ender due to the little bit of oki you can get off Axe kick

also has more health gain right? 100 for hf followup and 50+50+100 for dp ender

Edited November 6, 2013 by Dandy J

[WolfCrimson]

It's 200 health for Hell's fang followup, not 100.

Also, an OD combo (full health)

5B > 5C > 5D(1) > cOD > 5C > HF> Tsuika > (OD ends) 5C > 5D(1) > GH > KA > 6A > TK BS > 5B > D ID- upper- ax kick

Damage: 4266

Heat: 33

Edited November 6, 2013 by WolfCrimson

[Dandy J]

yea i pulled that number off the cse wiki. is there anywhere with the life steal values listed for cp?

[WolfCrimson]

It's in the Ragna 101 thread by Final Ultima, in the sticky section.

[Fistmaster049]

Do we have a number yet for highest damage 50% OD combo so far?

so far I've only managed 6.3k

[Callisto]

What's that combo? I get like 5.3 because I'm worried about it running out to quickly and just do stuff > j.BS > DbD lol