[CPEX] Relius Clover Gameplay Discussion

[NecroTheReaper]

So anyone else stayin up till past 1 AM to get their hands on this?

[Poultrygeist]

Isn't 1.1 not till Wednesday?  I know Japan is head of us, but wouldn't they be getting it on the 15th?

[Myoro]

So anyone else stayin up till past 1 AM to get their hands on this?

If it's comin out in a half an hour then I'm down for it.

[NecroTheReaper]

Lol, that was a derp. Yeah, 1 AM Wednesday. My bad Dx I even had my own hopes up

[Myoro]

There, there Necro. soon 1.1 Gad leis will soon be ours.

[NecroTheReaper]

I best be saying my final farewells to awesome backstep that I abuse waaaaay too much, you will be missed as Relius' only good defense option.

[Myoro]

We still have counter assault. And Ley Ley vs Kagura and Tager.

[WakeUpDP]

So can we start suggesting combos for the 1.1 thread? Combos that don't use j.XD, should still be accurate now as that's the only move that's had its proration changed to my knowledge.

Just completed it last night/now and it's open now. Introduction has the info needed to start, if there is anything missing (useful notations/etc) or suggestions send it my way.

[NecroTheReaper]

I need to utilize it better vs Tager, but its difficult when you can't find many good players with him. Kagura... I think he's fun as hell to play as, but man, he gets screwed by so many characters at neutral xD

[Poultrygeist]

We still have counter assault. And Ley Ley vs Kagura and Tager.

Are you sure you want to abuse Ley against Tager?  You can get grabbed if you're careless.

[NecroTheReaper]

Its a reactionary thing, all his D moves have a fair amount of startup and recovery, so if you see em glow gold, led ley and get a free punish.

And I just noticed this and it has me a bit worried... why the hell is RYO only 16th dan in the recent footage? He was 19th before patch, and every person who was just as high then is just as high now. Did the backdash nerf hurt that bad or has RYO just been away lately?

[TD]

he's probably still getting bodied by N-O. even moreso now. or he could be getting used to the character's changes by using his face.

[NecroTheReaper]

I hope its just him punishing himself with N-O. May also have to do with Koko being put in the arcades now that I think abouy it. I see a lot of great players struggling against even thr more average Koko players.

Edit: this made my day xD http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/12/lordknight-compares-characters-ease-of-play-with-their-ease-of-winning-in-blazblue-chronophantasma/ SCREW PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT RELIUS. Almost right in the center, so most of winning with Relius is skill xP xD

[Myoro]

All of our air starter Bnbs lost ~300 is damage, not too bad a deal for new Gad leis, but still something to be aware of.

[Myoro]

Holy crap something big happened that they strelthily put in. Whatever it was it made (Corner) CH3C->j.C->2C->236C->665B->stuff a breeze.

[NecroTheReaper]

But now solo confirms are a LOT better. I find it easier to convert into 6B off an air hit than I do off a ground hit, and with that, we can get at least 2500 damage and corner carry with no ignis cost.

[Myoro]

We've still got our Vinum glitches!!

[NecroTheReaper]

I was meaning to post that earlier xD.

So, one thing thats interesting about the new Leis is that you can get a raw OD out before they tech, so it could be used to catch unassuming players in the air with 5B

[Were-Wulf]

So I've been well on my way to learning relius, but after I fish for 5b or grab a poke into a combo, I don't know what to do. my neutral is sub par, but I'm assuming my knowledge goes up for thatasi gain more matchup experience, but after I get a hit into say a 3c or j.214b I don't know what to do. I've heard he has really good oki off 3c but I don't know what options they are. I've also heard Delius is capable of unblockables, but when I attempt them, my friends can just mash through it. So any help for what to do after I land a combo?

[NecroTheReaper]

Most oki options assume you have ignis out, so here's a list of oki.

Midscreen

3C>214C

3C>214B>block

3C>2D

j.214B>214C

j.214B>6622B>2D

Corner (should always end with 3C. 4D for crossunder gimmicks)

3C>214C

3C>214B>block

3C>236D>j.B

3C>2D>block

3C>j.D>j.C

4D>66214C>j.7B

[Iron Savior]

If you land j.214b midscreen, 2d will catch anyone who tries to mash, and you don't need to be close to the enemy to do it since Ignis stays next to them after j.214b, and 4d catches jumpers who don't barrier block

214a catches rolls, forces the opponent to block, and when spaced and timed properly, it also baits dps(and Houtenjin), you can generally use it whenever you knock someone down and get something out of it, if a Haku counters it with Yukikaze, you can even dodge it with 236a

[Myoro]

So I've been well on my way to learning relius, but after I fish for 5b or grab a poke into a combo, I don't know what to do. my neutral is sub par, but I'm assuming my knowledge goes up for thatasi gain more matchup experience, but after I get a hit into say a 3c or j.214b I don't know what to do. I've heard he has really good oki off 3c but I don't know what options they are. I've also heard Delius is capable of unblockables, but when I attempt them, my friends can just mash through it. So any help for what to do after I land a combo?

 

It boils down to this, point blank range our poke is 5A/2A/3C->jump cancel punish. Mid range we've got 5B->3C jump cancel+6D. past 3C range we've got 5B->5D/5B->6D->663C/5B->214A->665B->3C. at long range we have 214A->665B/214A->22B->2D->66B/ or IAD j.A/B. and at half a screen away and further we have 214C->66->anything.

 

Right after 3C you can cancel immediately into 236D and jump and use falling j.C and you'll hit them right as they get done neutral teching. you can also use 214C after a 3C ender to get them blocking Tus while you get a free 50/50 mix-up. In both situations you have to watch out for DPs. There's some other things you can do with 3C oki, like summon/de-summon Ignis safely while they are still getting up, or IAD backward or forward to run away while Ignis recharges.

[Were-Wulf]

Thanks a lot, ill try and practice those in training mode a little.

[Poultrygeist]

Guys this may be a bit of theory fighter on my part but new Gad Leis feels like a huge buff.  Any time it hits (which is off a lot of things) we get to choose between corner carry, oki and damage.  At the very least it does make Rel much more versatile IMO.

[NecroTheReaper]

It does, especially since we have a new solo route thats no more difficult to confirm than Extends 5B>6B>6C route