Blazblue: Alter Memory

[BlackYakuzu94]

Well she did just have her entire philosophy broken down by someone she cared about a lot, and then abandoned by both him and another close friend. I mean suicide just seemed like the most logical conclusion from there.

[Yazumatto]

Did Noel abandon Tsubaki though? Tsubaki was legitimately trying to kill Noel and Jin. Having a close friend try to kill you can put a serious strain on any friendship.

Not gonna lie, the attempted suicide scene felt a bit over the top.

[Master Of Chaos]

I took it more as Tsubaki knew that she had burned her bridges with both Jin and Noel and realized she was all alone as a result.

[kylehyde]

Did Noel abandon Tsubaki though? Tsubaki was legitimately trying to kill Noel and Jin. Having a close friend try to kill you can put a serious strain on any friendship.

Not gonna lie, the attempted suicide scene felt a bit over the top.

I know right? Over exaggerating aren't we Tsubaki?

[BlackYakuzu94]

Did Noel abandon Tsubaki though? Tsubaki was legitimately trying to kill Noel and Jin. Having a close friend try to kill you can put a serious strain on any friendship.

Not gonna lie, the attempted suicide scene felt a bit over the top.

I think she was kinda torn between her duty and her love for her friends, she was hesitant to kill both Jin and Noel until Hazama got in her head and convinced her that the Imperator was absolute.

And over the top is how we do things in this series. Let's bring in those Terumi expressions from Episode 3.

[Teutonicknight]

Fight scene sucked. Everything else was sorta bleh.

[BlackYakuzu94]

I wonder how many times are people going to point out how much the fight scenes suck, because its not like we haven't heard that statement for two months :V

[Teutonicknight]

Besides that, the only good parts were Hazama's off-screen ass-whipping for Tager, and... not much else tbh. xD

Jin is a given, he has to be bad ass because he's one of the main characters.

[Luminos564]

I know right? Over exaggerating aren't we Tsubaki?

She likes period piece dramas. If she didn't exaggerate like Christopher Walken and Jeremy Irons taking kabuki classes, then she wouldn't be considered a fan of the over-dramatic. Plus I can kinda see her point:

-Sent to kill two very important people to her.

-Both friends turn out to really not like the sense of justice and servitude she was drilled into following.

-The person whom she does hold particular feelings for turns her world upside down despite her pleas.

Yeah I'd wanna vent my frustrations somewhere down the line too.

[Teutonicknight]

She likes period piece dramas. If she didn't exaggerate like Christopher Walken and Jeremy Irons taking kabuki classes, then she wouldn't be considered a fan of the over-dramatic. Plus I can kinda see her point:

-Sent to kill two very important people to her.

-Both friends turn out to really not like the sense of justice and servitude she was drilled into following.

-The person whom she does hold particular feelings for turns her world upside down despite her pleas.

Yeah I'd wanna vent my frustrations somewhere down the line too.

Not a lot of people take that into consideration and assume she's totally crazy. Well... she is, but for good reason. She has it rough, and it's definitely better than Litchi's side of things.

Next episode looks a bit more promising since several things are in place at once.

[Starlight777]

So if Makoto does try to take on Terumi, I wonder how much time the animation team is gonna spend on her changing into that silly battle-outfit of hers? Same old cloak flip with the boots and stockings magically changing within one second?

[kylehyde]

She likes period piece dramas. If she didn't exaggerate like Christopher Walken and Jeremy Irons taking kabuki classes, then she wouldn't be considered a fan of the over-dramatic. Plus I can kinda see her point:

-Sent to kill two very important people to her.

-Both friends turn out to really not like the sense of justice and servitude she was drilled into following.

-The person whom she does hold particular feelings for turns her world upside down despite her pleas.

Yeah I'd wanna vent my frustrations somewhere down the line too.

And by venting your frustrations you automatically turn to suicide? Did she forget she has a family somewhere out there? Ugh I think she did.

[Teutonicknight]

So if Makoto does try to take on Terumi, I wonder how much time the animation team is gonna spend on her changing into that silly battle-outfit of hers? Same old cloak flip with the boots and stockings magically changing within one second?

That I'd have to see, unless Rachel interrupts too quickly. :/

[Master Of Chaos]

And by venting your frustrations you automatically turn to suicide? Did she forget she has a family somewhere out there? Ugh I think she did.

That family expects her to uphold the NO'Ls orders to the letter. If she goes back to them and says she failed, whadda think they're gonna do? Hug her and tell her it's alright?

[Starlight777]

And by venting your frustrations you automatically turn to suicide? Did she forget she has a family somewhere out there? Ugh I think she did.

Tsubaki's family is known for inbreeding, I wouldn't blame her for forgetting about them.

[LordSpectreX]

That family expects her to uphold the NO'Ls orders to the letter. If she goes back to them and says she failed, whadda think they're gonna do? Hug her and tell her it's alright?

On top of that, she just fought her best friend only a few hours earlier and her Childhood/Love Interest turned crazy and beat her, only not killing her cause "you're not worth killing". Add her inner doubts over the NOL and what she's doing. Even if after all that, she's obviously not in the right state of mind, it's not like she'd be in a position to think about anything other than suicide.

[mAc Chaos]

Also she was going blind.

And it sounded more like her faith in the NOL was shaken by Jin and Noel.

So she didn't have the NOL as a crutch to fall on, and she didn't have Jin and Noel anymore either. At least til the Imperator came.

[Luminos564]

And by venting your frustrations you automatically turn to suicide? Did she forget she has a family somewhere out there? Ugh I think she did.

Hey man, you never know. I once contemplated suicide because my sister took the last big chocolate chip cookie that my mother made (they were that good :drool:). Plus as others pointed out, Tsubaki's family isn't the friendliest of the bunch. Probably super zealous towards the NOL/Imperato's word being the final doctrine. I'm not all that certain they wouldn't have wrung her neck if she turned traitor or failed spectacularly.

[kylehyde]

So then your all saying that Tsubaki's family would be like "fuck it, you failed Tsubaki go kill yourself for all we care." Maybe it's me not being cynical, but I have a hard time believing even Tsubaki's family would go that far.

I don't know, I just find the whole thing ridiculous. But that's just me.

Edited December 4, 2013 by kylehyde

[BlackYakuzu94]

That's what gets me about Tsubaki; for everything I can find to hate about her, I find something that makes me feel bad for her. And I normally can't stand her archetype(The fanatical soldiers who go on about justice and look down on anyone who doesn't adhere to it) but this series makes damn sure show how fucked up such a mindset can be, and tears it down, hard. It makes me somewhat more appreciative of her.

[BlackYakuzu94]

So then your all saying that Tsubaki's family would be like "fuck it, you failed Tsubaki go kill yourself for all we care?" Maybe it's me not being cynical, but I have a hard time believing even Tsubaki's family would go that far.

They inbred just to keep their family "pure", and basically told her that she should dedicate her entire life to the NOL and nobody else. The Yayoi's do not sound like the comforting type, in fact they'd probably disown Tsubaki if they found out she failed in a mission from the Imperator.

[LordSpectreX]

So then your all saying that Tsubaki's family would be like "fuck it, you failed Tsubaki go kill yourself for all we care?" Maybe it's me not being cynical, but I have a hard time believing even Tsubaki's family would go that far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

And even if they won't, Tsubaki is certainly not the type of person who could handle bringing shame to her family. Especially since she's supposed to be one of their few prodigies left.

[Luminos564]

So then your all saying that Tsubaki's family would be like "fuck it, you failed Tsubaki go kill yourself for all we care?" Maybe it's me not being cynical, but I have a hard time believing even Tsubaki's family would go that far.

It's not a matter of being cynical though. We have good evidence to suggest that the Yayoi family is, at the least, messed up:

-They resorted to inbreeding to preserve "blood-purity" and keep producing NOL soldiers with strong Ars Magus capabilities.

-They keep the other Duodecim families in line.

-They teach their children (as evidenced by Tsubaki) that NOL/Imperator is absolute without taking circumstances into consideration.

-As evidenced by the Kisaragi family, there is a LOT of pressure to succeed for a family member. Now imagine the kind of pressure was placed on Tsubaki who is not only from a prestigious Duodecim family with a lot of expectations, but is also the first child to survive past a certain age for her parents. Yeah, not a very pleasant thought.

[Starlight777]

This thread made me realize that Tsubaki has a life just as bad as Carl's.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Everyone in the cast has a shitty life(Except Tao, but she's irrelevant.), no wonder they're so batshit most of the time.