Amadeus46Art Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Shrug, people that know me know I'm character locked to Jam, but if she's not in Arcades my hype will be killed for watching the game too much. Even if she's not in at release I'll probably just play Sol or Millia for a while, at the very least to keep used to the game and know what I'm doing for when Jam and all the other characters are (eventually) released.
Luminos564 Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 All this talk of character loyalty has me thinking: how do other people react if their character of choice is removed, but their playstyle/gameplay is carried over to another? Like Amadeous you prefer playing Jam correct? So what'd be your reaction if say Jam was excluded but was instead succeeded by her little sister "Margarine" or something? I know I was pretty damn salty when Soul Calibur 5 pulled this with various characters, but that's just me and not the majority of people.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 This is why I'm glad I main FG protagonists, they always get confirmed in the initial release. The moment I saw Ky they already ravaged my wallet to the point of monetary sodomy. If Madcatz comes out with a stick for this game, I'll probably buy that too, and an inevitable limited edition version of this game. The more is released for this game the more poor I already feel, and I'm already poor thanks to CP. On topic: I don't think I'd enjoy Ky's son Sin, for instance, even if he played like Ky if they opted to not put Ky in the game initially like in Overture. I only really enjoyed Overture when I got to use Ky, and I only moderately enjoyed using Sin and Sol. But I still played the game. Yes Sin, doesn't play like Ky, but I have extreme character loyalty, I don't think many are as extreme as me when it comes to character loyalty. When I saw Ky in GG back on '06, I didn't even bother to look at the rest of the cast.
Amadeus46Art Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Pretty much what BoJ said. I'd probably play an expy/knock off character, but tbh it's just a matter of liking the character for the actual character and not because of necessarily their playstyle or gameplay. But that's how I pick who i play in a fighting game, so it might be different for others.
SoWL Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Well I expected Faust to become Baldhead again, and such trifling differences couldn't stop me from maining him. The same thing happened to me in SC5, since Natsu is about as great as Taki for me (perhaps even better, but I've never learned the game properly). The problems started when my most active SC friend didn't get his Seong Mi Na back, but he seemed to have a lot of fun with Xiba... for about a week or two.
Luminos564 Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Oh I see. So it isn't just about enjoying the character's playstyle but their overall character. Personally, I dunno where I stand. I was attracted to GG because I saw Sol and he was the sole reason I bought the game. I eventually branched out and started liking other characters, but he was the one character I could never get tired of seeing, playstyle or personality-wise. Only question is: can I actually use him effectively once Xrd hits consoles?
XXXDC Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 All this talk of character loyalty has me thinking: how do other people react if their character of choice is removed, but their playstyle/gameplay is carried over to another? Like Amadeous you prefer playing Jam correct? So what'd be your reaction if say Jam was excluded but was instead succeeded by her little sister "Margarine" or something? I know I was pretty damn salty when Soul Calibur 5 pulled this with various characters, but that's just me and not the majority of people. Some people (like me) pick their mains based first on appearance and then playstyle. So yeah, personally i wouldn't pick some random characters with May and Johnny's moveset... Already been there [k9999 -> Nameless] [Xianghua -> Leixia]. Anyway we all can agree that the whole cast (except maybe HoS and RoboKy) will make it in eventually.
king of heart Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Guys i should remind you how "Fatal Fury MOW" and "Street Fighter 3rd Strike" ended up being the best games in their franchise even though they almost changed the entire cast.
Calamitus Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 (except maybe HoS and RoboKy) Why people are thinking that Robo-Ky will not return? AC+ endings are not completely canonical (+ AC was made without Ishiwatari as director).
Layer Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 I keep having this sneaking suspicion that they're gonna make Bacon a hidden boss again, just to call back to the original.
shinr Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Guys i should remind you how "Fatal Fury MOW" and "Street Fighter 3rd Strike" ended up being the best games in their franchise even though they almost changed the entire cast. Garou and 3S got different reactions, though. SF3 series, as a part of the most mainstream fighter franchise, got a near universal disdain when it was released for replacing fan-favorite characters with "bland nobodies" and 3S started getting proper recognition only after Daigo performed the Full Parry, while Garou, as a part of a more niche cult franchise, got praised for replacing fan-favorites with new interesting characters. As I said way back in summer, the SF3 fiasco is a reason that nobody tries the "replace nearly the whole cast with the new one" thing in Fighters anymore outside of few exceptions like Tekken 3, and even then the old crew got gradually added back in.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Only question is: can I actually use him effectively once Xrd hits consoles? If you've been playing a character in a game for several years, a new version should make no difference. It's just really a slight learning curve for the new mechanics introduced into the game and the new tools your character received. Otherwise you already know how they should be played and how to use their tools effectively. It's not that Xrd will be using the Playstation Move or Kinect for the first time ever, it's just a new game. Why people are thinking that Robo-Ky will not return? AC+ endings are not completely canonical (+ AC was made without Ishiwatari as director). For the characters that transitioned into Overture (Ky, Sol, and Dizzy) their endings in AC+ go right into Overture, and Xrd takes place after Overture. So yes, the endings are canonical. I keep having this sneaking suspicion that they're gonna make Bacon a hidden boss again, just to call back to the original. I assume you mean Baiken... Anyways, I don't see characters like Jam (the staple Chinese stereotype characters), Johnny (Zoro with extra swag sauce), Baiken/Bacon and Anji (there\s a japanese stage so you need the Japanese characters to come back) to not be in the initial release of Xrd. Someone like Order Sol I see as DLC, since it's an easy way of stealing money from people like Titanium Beast, and other Order Sol lovers.
Luminos564 Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 If you've been playing a character in a game for several years, a new version should make no difference. It's just really a slight learning curve for the new mechanics introduced into the game and the new tools your character received. Otherwise you already know how they should be played and how to use their tools effectively. It's not that Xrd will be using the Playstation Move or Kinect for the first time ever, it's just a new game. Well this would be the case, had I actually been a good player in GG all those years ago. But in a way, I suppose this is good too. When I was younger, I could only appreciate GG for the aesthetics without getting closer to understanding the gameplay mechanics. Now I actually have a chance at a fresh start, with a brand spanking new entry to the series so it should be very exciting when the game's released.
Kitsoru Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 For the characters that transitioned into Overture (Ky, Sol, and Dizzy) their endings in AC+ go right into Overture, and Xrd takes place after Overture. So yes, the endings are canonical. If I recall correctly, AC+, the console mode with storymode specifically, was released after Overture. So it's AC+ that was written to match up with Overture, not the other way around.
Calamitus Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 For the characters that transitioned into Overture (Ky, Sol, and Dizzy) their endings in AC+ go right into Overture, and Xrd takes place after Overture. So yes, the endings are canonical. Eddie dies in first ending of AC, Eddie releases himself from Zato in 2nd ending. And how can this be canonical considering that we can see this lovely couple together again in Xrd? (assuming that forbidden beast near Zato is Eddie)
Blade Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 I mained Ky since DAY ONE of the GG franchise. I just learned to play him, rain or shine, and took what I could get and enjoy the game as a whole. Just gotta be more patient, people.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 If I recall correctly, AC+, the console mode with storymode specifically, was released after Overture. So it's AC+ that was written to match up with Overture, not the other way around. Same shit different toilet, my point is they're canonical one way or another. Eddie dies in first ending of AC, Eddie releases himself from Zato in 2nd ending. And how can this be canonical considering that we can see this lovely couple together again in Xrd? (assuming that forbidden beast near Zato is Eddie) Like how Arakune dies or nearly dies in every BB story? Anyways, I'm surprised that at the frequency of the location tests. I'm anxious to see Ky's 3hs. It's also interesting to note how ArcSys has become less hostile over youtube videos containing their property since CP dropped and the last loketests. The loketests are still up on youtube, and so are the CP tracks. I doubt we'll have to be as covert as before when posting up loketest videos this time around.
Kitsoru Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Same shit different toilet, my point is they're canonical one way or another. ...? Your reasoning in reply to the post you quoted, as I was reading it, was that because Sol/Ky/Dizzy's endings were canonical, every other character's will be. I'm saying this isn't necessarily true, because the main characters' endings were written to lead into an already-released, written-by-Daisuke game. This is not true of the rest of the cast, therefore RoboKy's (and anyone else's) ending in AC+ means diddly squat for all we know.
destruction_adv Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Eddie dies in first ending of AC, Eddie releases himself from Zato in 2nd ending. And how can this be canonical considering that we can see this lovely couple together again in Xrd? (assuming that forbidden beast near Zato is Eddie) Time travel.
Calamitus Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Same shit different toilet, my point is they're canonical one way or another. Like how Arakune dies or nearly dies in every BB story? Without loops - just beaten in CT (true end), captured in CS (true end), dont know about CP. Well, whatever. I know Robo-ky will appear eventually. It's also interesting to note how ArcSys has become less hostile over youtube videos containing their property since CP dropped and the last loketests. The loketests are still up on youtube, and so are the CP tracks Most of CP youtube soundtrack is already lies in grave. This chanel with loketest videos will be shut down sooner or later. They are monitoring youtube not so often. Now i'm watching on this new character and considering that That Man reverses his age... I dont want to see "That Loli" instead
Hecatom Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) LMAO to the people who thinks that ASW will drop characters for things like canon, and no Kliff and Justice are another different thing, they come from a game that never had an arcade release. Current GG games are aimed towards arcade players, they will not allienate their main target market because some silly shit like story canon Guys i should remind you how "Fatal Fury MOW" and "Street Fighter 3rd Strike" ended up being the best games in their franchise even though they almost changed the entire cast. You are aware that both games are seem as failures by both their mother companies and are very ploarizing about what people think about them right?, in fact 3s while is considered by some a great game (i actually think that is meh and overrated) others (some will say the majority) hate it with passion and think that is not a real street fighter game due how many mechanics present on the game change the whole way that is played making it another beast altogether Edited November 25, 2013 by Hecatom
FattMatt1887 Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 I supposed it's not terribly relevant but I do believe Daisuke Ishiwatari is among the people fond of Third Strike, in fact he did say he considers it his favorite fighting game, I just found the interesting, considering it's really the only Street Fighter I really like playing.
Hecatom Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 I am aware that he likes 3s, but that is not the point (specially because GG is mechanically different in everything to 3s and thank the gods for that), the point here is that ASW wouldn't be so fool to drop characters because lolstory
king of heart Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 As I said way back in summer, the SF3 fiasco is a reason that nobody tries the "replace nearly the whole cast with the new one" thing in Fighters anymore outside of few exceptions like Tekken 3, and even then the old crew got gradually added back in. Yeah, you'r absolutely right Tekken 3 is a way better example, it didn't come my mind.
Layer Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 I am aware that he likes 3s, but that is not the point (specially because GG is mechanically different in everything to 3s and thank the gods for that), the point here is that ASW wouldn't be so fool to drop characters because lolstory I don't think he was trying to make a point and just thought it was interesting. Even says he knows it's not relevant. Though on topic, the only characters I see ASW dropping is Leopaldon and some Overture folks. But I think they even have a decent chance to show up down the line.
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