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stickystaines

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Is anyone able to understand and post up what the deal is with guts and health/defense in general for xrd? Feels much more heavy in Xrd than any other iteration, but i haven't seen any specific numbers for anything

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youcanwonder

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So i was trying to do backdash yrc airdash. Im thinking in order for this to be done u have to have a char who can double dash..ie chip n millia.

RWA Announcer

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I'll take your word for it king, since you actually have some first-hand experience against some top-quality ones.  And I'll give you that, her J.P DOES look pretty obnoxious in her match videos.  I wasn't referring to the first list that he made in Arcadia around May, Blade, I was referring to his recent one, that he put on Twitter September 24th, that went:

 

S: Milia, Zato, Faust, Ramlethal

 

A: I-No, Sol=Ky, Chipp=Venom

 

B: Everyone Else

 

I can't remember how many pages back it was, but he also offered some opinions on his placements, such as lacking experience in the Zato Mirror, because their aren't that many around, thinking that Milia was definitely the best right now, saying that he thought I-No could replace Ram in the S Tier because she was "unstable," that Venom's space control was stronger than people give it credit for currently, and I think something about Bedman and Potenmkin as well.  The "unstable" statement was specifically what I was referring to when I cited his thoughts on her.    I ofudn the Player's Guild site, just to see how many Ram's were up in the Rankings, but, since I can't read Japanese, I have no idea how to tell who or what's what with it.

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Speaking of Karinchou, king, is he coming back to Ram anytime soon, or has he dropped her completely for Milia?  Or is he just going to play both?  We can agree on one thing though, Blade, I miss Machabo's Ky play as well, he was favorite one to watch in Xrd and AC+R.  Hope he comes back someday as well, but apparently he just thinks Sol invalidates his existence.

D.R.F.

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Speaking of Karinchou, king, is he coming back to Ram anytime soon, or has he dropped her completely for Milia? Or is he just going to play both? We can agree on one thing though, Blade, I miss Machabo's Ky play as well, he was favorite one to watch in Xrd and AC+R. Hope he comes back someday as well, but apparently he just thinks Sol invalidates his existence.

Machaboo doesn't really even play anymore
greatfernman

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I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Ogawa is Karinchou's friend and the have been playing together ever since Karinchou started playing Ramlathal.

first of all, there's no need to be so antagonistic straight off the bat.

second of all, when ram just came out, like a few weeks in i think (not so sure about the exact timing), ogawa had an interview where he said he thinks ramlethal is good and probably A tier but he wasn't entirely certain she was that good. or something along those lines it was a while back i don't remember his exact words, but i do recall reading this interview

that's what he was referring to i assume

 

it's not like her j.P and supers alone make her as strong as she is, she also has strong setplay and high damage and retarded corner carry as well.

king of heart

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Even with the stuff you said.

You should be able to shut her down.

But her j.P help her escape from many situations and can easily turn the whole match into her favor since she can hit confirm it into knock down or a corner carry.

Also she her sword spinning super has almost zero frame recovery.

If you try to hit her or burst you will get hit. Even if you try to jump she can east air throw you.

And she also have a reversal super.

greatfernman

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You're missing the point I'm making.

If she didn't have strong setplay or high damage her getting momentum is not as much of a threat. And I wasn't invalidating what you were saying, I was saying that it's simplifying it too much to say that she's strong just because of "her j.P and her supers" (granted toranshi is stupid).

king of heart

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That's why i said i am not joking because i knew  that people like you would insist to on their spectator point of view.

Why Sol is better in Xrd and Slash than +R ?
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even thou he has better midscreen combos, better hit confirms and more tools in +R.

 

It's because of the quality of the tools themselves in neutral game just like KDKR, Fafnir, and dizzy safe Dragon Install.  

 

Unlike Blazblue which is about corner carry and high damage combos Guilty Gear is about heavy neutral and scoring knock downs. 

 

Edit: just wanted to point that Ram's sword equipped far S is also godlike.

greatfernman

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I have played xrd in arcades , but not nearly enough to pass judgement on anything. However I am fairly certain that it is really not just her j.p and her supers that make her good.

You seem to be completely failing to understand the point I'm making (i'm not disagreeing that j. P and her supers are strong).

You also really should get off your high horse. Just because you play the game doesn't make you an expert either. Yes you may have more insight (though even then it's not guaranteed), no that doesn't invalidate what other people say. (i'm not saying I understand the game better than you btw in case you misunderstand this as well)

Anyway perhaps I'm completely wrong and her setplay and damage don't make her strong and its just her j. P and supers.

Whatever I'm going to sleep

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Yeah Fenrir, he seems to be more on that Ultra grind with Evil Ryu nowadays, but hopefully he'll come back at some point.  Also, finally took a look at character Rankings, and she's 8th played overall, so around half the roster gest more play than her, and their were only two Ram's in Top 20 compared to FOUR Millias and Fausts, so where would you say that puts her in the overall grand scheme of things, from those of you who have played the game?

king of heart

king of heart

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You also really should get off your high horse.

Anyway perhaps I'm completely wrong and her setplay and damage don't make her strong and its just her j. P and supers.

Whatever I'm going to sleep

 

LOl i wish i had one but i don't.no really i am not acting high and mighty at all.. i just want you people to have a better mentality understanding the game.

 

Japanese player focus more on nuetral that's why they are this good..

 

Both her setplay and damage are very good but not too good..

 

​I am focusing on her normals and supers because they lead to the stuff you are talking about.

 

and because they play a major role in shifting momentum.

 

without them she can easily get squashed  by many characters like Zato, I-No, Milla, Sol, and  hell yeah even Potemkin.

 

 

 

look at Faust he is top teir and doesn't have any high damage combos and corner carry.

king of heart

king of heart

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It means, despite her popularity, it's hard to pull out what makes her sch a great character like karinchu does/did?

 

Yeah Karinchou is the one who unlocked her true potential and he was sparring with the best GG player IMO.

TheRealBobMan

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So i was trying to do backdash yrc airdash. Im thinking in order for this to be done u have to have a char who can double dash..ie chip n millia.

 

Minimum height requirement.  Probably not going to work.  What you should test is if you can double jump out of backdash YRC.  You should be able to, but it'd be important to know if backdash YRC doesn't have Jump Install.  If you can't jump after it, you wouldn't be able to airdash, though like I mentioned earlier you're probably too low and the minimum airdash height requirement isn't being met anyway.  The double airdash shouldn't matter, unless you're doing air backdash YRC airdash, which would work for characters with two airdashes.  Also pretty sure that while Chipp gets 3 jumps, he only gets 1 airdash, unless that changed in Xrd?

Anne

Anne

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Grabbed Arc Revo champion's burst just now!

Where is my trophy lol.

At the end of a tournament :P

P.S. people setplay and damage make characters great and stupid, having ways to consistently get it makes them broken.

BladeOfJustice7

BladeOfJustice7

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Yeah Karinchou is the one who unlocked her true potential and he was sparring with the best GG player IMO.

Anyone who can beat Machabo's Ky for 30 minutes straight has a power level clearly over 9000.

 

To me, after Xrd's release, the best players are FAB (he makes DooDoo Butter Potemkin look amazing) and Ogawa. Maybe Inoue would be up there but he gets chronically bopped by Machabo. But that's just me. Before Ogawa appeared as a daredevil on Jonio's stream, everyone was wondering if Zato sucked and if he was going to be good lol. That shit died the moment he broke Nemo's will to win lol.

 

His first sets with Nemo was the first time I saw a top Japanese player completely give up trying to beat a fellow top Japanese player lol. I actually felt bad for Nemo... HE just started throwing out random shit lol.

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