SoWL Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Not surprised by that cover change at all, not after what they did with BBCP LE. Don't care that much about it, either: if it makes more people pick the game up at the stores, awesome, but I'd have picked it up either way.
White Man Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Didn't somebody suggest a few pages back that Xrd wasn't super popular in Japanese arcades because the high barrier of entry was keeping newcomers out? That's about as far from "too easy" as you can get. Don't worry, guys. Telling people you play GG will still net you plenty of street cred within the fighting game community.
king of heart Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Top "Japanese" (yes notice this word before getting the wrong idea) players in Xrd are the same top players from the previous era. They are still playing even thou the reached their mid thirties. No newcomers at all. I guess that's enough proof.
RurouniLoneWolf Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Didn't somebody suggest a few pages back that Xrd wasn't super popular in Japanese arcades because the high barrier of entry was keeping newcomers out? Not that I'm interested in this conversation in one way or another but I believe the high barrier of entry that was being spoken about is GG vets being so good that they scare off newcomers.
River Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Didn't somebody suggest a few pages back that Xrd wasn't super popular in Japanese arcades because the high barrier of entry was keeping newcomers out? That's about as far from "too easy" as you can get. Don't worry, guys. Telling people you play GG will still net you plenty of street cred within the fighting game community. Its about skill gap between old GG players and newcomers. Newcomers is scared of old scene.
SoWL Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 To be honest, that's the way I'm feeling about console Xrd as well. Yeah, sure, I'll play Faust and enjoy the hell out of it, but there are people who've been playing Faust since before I played Reload for the first time, and even more people who have lots of match-up experience against those Faust players. What are the chances of me doing any good? On the other hand, lots of people who've never played GG are interested in buying Xrd, so I can't agree with the "No newcomers at all" statement. No newcomers on the tournament level, maybe. And even then, I'm not sure people like Tsubu are GG veterans, but that's mostly because I've only been following the tournament scene since Xrd's arcade release, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
TeeJay Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 My main concern, which is different from the current discussion, is if the game somewhat becomes reasonably popular outside of the normal anime/airdasher community, will later updates, balancing and upgrades become more universal between regions? I'm happy that the U.S. release is so close to the JP Arcade release. Arc doesn't have the means probably to do worldwide releases at the moment, or care, since they may rely on arcades financially more. On second thought, that could be impossible. I wonder if that'll prevent the game in the future from growing as much. However, these next few months could be some encouragement for changes or if Arc will be monitoring this ahead of time that to ascertain their future model. It's not really much to discuss rather than it'll be interesting to see. I'm hype for the game and I'll leave all judgments for when I get my hands on it. I look forward to see how the community develops and I hope it pulls people new people in a more potent way than Uniel. I expect it to grab some interest just form visuals alone and subtle appeals or a lack of turn offs that many people complain about in other games. We'll see.
king of heart Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 I meant among the top players. I didn't say no only vets should play this game. I am just saying that newcomers should work hard 5 times as much as the vets to do well in the competitive scene. Same thing with Kof 13 where Mexicans kept destroying new players.
Ziggy_Stardust Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Eh, I don't care too much about the skill gap. I Atleast have some experience with the character I want to main from playing the previous titles and I don't expect to be "pro" level. I'm just going to have fun and get my ass kicked by people who are better than me and have more disposable hours in a day, that's how fighting games work right? I'm not saying I plan on being a scrub, I just don't plan on being one the best Venom's in the U.S.
DaiAndOh Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 It's not about having more disposable hours in the day necessarily...
zaeris Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Why exactly? And no, a couple of frames is very demanding for anyone who can't put 10 hours a week toward video games. Demanding things existing in many fighting games doesn't suddenly make them not demanding, it just makes it common trait of fighting games to be demanding. Why do you think FGs have such bad rep to beginners who shy away from them due to the entry barrier? Then add on the fact that there's a substantial amount of people who mainly play others through online, and even if +R had amazing online FRCs are still strict enough where a minuscule amount of lag would screw up a lot of people. (And wasting hours in training mode to try and get an FRC point down to high efficiency is about the most boring training mode thing I've ever tried to do.)i guess i will stop after this since i have no clues on whats is serious or not. however i do feel a few things is irrelevent, people who spend more time vs do who spend less time is very much the difference between casual and compeitive play. this exist in all forms and not just fighting games, even in sports theres training and even chess is often about reading and knowing the predominate moves before hand. And even though smash looks like a simple game it actually hard somewhat. if you're a casual player it wont change if your trying to enter the competitve arena. so no, it is just a common trait in life that you put in effort to win something, same with education ectera. and please dont mix online lag with frc that makes no sense, you are playing in an environment that is not perfect and lag is a factor but you blame frc for being too strict yet that fails tocomprehend that fighting game is never perfect in an online environment. maybe you should tell that to star craft 2 elite who's career is built around lag.
Ziggy_Stardust Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 [ quote name=DaiAndOh" post="857654" timestamp="1413906789]It's not about having more disposable hours in the day necessarily...
destruction_adv Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 i guess i will stop after this since i have no clues on whats is serious or not. however i do feel a few things is irrelevent, people who spend more time vs do who spend less time is very much the difference between casual and compeitive play. this exist in all forms and not just fighting games, even in sports theres training and even chess is often about reading and knowing the predominate moves before hand, no matter how you spin this easy or not you wont be able to do everything with just basic knowledge. And even though smash looks like a simple game it actually hard somewhat. if you're a casual player it wont change if your trying to enter the competitve arena. so no, it is just a common trait in life that you put in effort to win something, with with education ectera. and please dont mix online lag with frc that makes no sense, youre are playing in an environment that is not perfect and lag is a factor but you blame frc for being too strict yet that failsmto comprehend that fighting game is never perfect in an online environment. maybe you should tell that to star craft 2 elite who plays for millions of dollars with lag as a factor. I agree with this, but I don't see it as a real defense of high execution (for the sake of itself that is) even without having to learn execution things you still have to put in a ton of time and effort to learn the other aspects of the game. EDIT: To carry forward the education analogy, execution is like elementary school science where all you do is memorize facts, where as the other aspects can be more like applied science were ,even when you know a formula, application of a formula or fact is the difference between getting a problem wrong or right.
RurouniLoneWolf Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 To be honest, that's the way I'm feeling about console Xrd as well. Yeah, sure, I'll play Faust and enjoy the hell out of it, but there are people who've been playing Faust since before I played Reload for the first time, and even more people who have lots of match-up experience against those Faust players. What are the chances of me doing any good? I'm not too worried about these sort of things for console release, at least for the netplay side. Netplay has a much wider demographic than local scenes and local arcades. Finding people your skill level to play and train with is fairly easy so long as you put in the effort to reach out to others. And then of course, there's also the flip side of the coin that you won't have to pay money every time you get destroyed by a GG vet. So playing sets where you get completely destroyed isn't that big of a deal either. Newcomers should do fine...well so long as they enjoy the game enough to stick with it.
SoWL Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 I meant among the top players. I didn't say no only vets should play this game. I am just saying that newcomers should work hard 5 times as much as the vets to do well in the competitive scene. Same thing with Kof 13 where Mexicans kept destroying new players. Isn't Tsubu among the top players? He's the best Bedman around, after all. Or is that still not enough to compete with the likes of Ogawa? Okay, that much is obvious. What about, I dunno, Machabo? Also, it's not the matter of "should play", but "could play". If someone doesn't have the time or isn't masochistic enough to lose to stronger players for weeks, then they're much more likely to pick one of the many other fighting games on the market. Of course, if it was up to me, everyone would be playing GG, but I realize that not everyone can do that even if they want to.
CCVengeance Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Eh, I don't care too much about the skill gap. I Atleast have some experience with the character I want to main from playing the previous titles and I don't expect to be "pro" level. I'm just going to have fun and get my ass kicked by people who are better than me and have more disposable hours in a day, that's how fighting games work right? I'm not saying I plan on being a scrub, I just don't plan on being one the best Venom's in the U.S. Good, less competition for me.
D.R.F. Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Idk. If you really want to get good at a game you will go through the hoops. Inoue HOS got me watching AC+. Roi Sol decided both my favorite player to watch and the character I wanted to play. I missed the +R train cuz shit netcode and delayed release dates crashed it before it left the station. That being said, I still want to play xrd in tourneys, especially since I didn't get the chance in CP. This game (along with VF5FS) are still the most perfect and awesome games of their genre to me and Goddammit if I have to practice 4-6 months by myself to get half as good as the OGs in America or even longer to fight the gods back in Japan then fuck I will because I have been waiting for this game (before it was announced) since I first learned about it in 2012. But you're right. People probably dont have the time a college freshman does or even like the game like that.
Leopold Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 While I'm aware people are different and they have different goals and mindsets, I cant help myself but to question their motivation to play a game. I see a lot of words thrown out like "tier, pro, scrub, etc" that sets something or someone into this stereotype. I personally play a game just for my enjoyment. I'm a bad at it? I don't think so; I'm a really good? I don't think so neither. To dedicate fully to a game to be a master at it it takes a lot of time and effort. Such as you could compare to a full time job or profession. Do i question the people who want to archive this goal? Absolutely not!! What i found very unrealistic is that the majority of people in the community just want to be one of those. Its highly unrealistic to be really good without sacrificing something (goals, time, duty, jobs, etc) in return unless you were gifted with talent. Obviously these so called "pros" are nothing but more than people like you and me that have been playing the game longer. I understand that its highly unlikely to win against them given the situation you are learning things they already know. However, why would that keep you away from playing them or getting involved in the community of something that you are potentially interested for? This should not keep people away from entering tournaments neither. In fact, tournaments are the perfect opportunity to meet with a diversity of players and expand more your knowledge about the game. I play games, and I get wrecked by more experienced players, but I also wreck less experience players as well. Do I set my mind to win against these experience players? Of course not!! What I do is play the game to have fun, do my best, and learn something new. Set myself small mini goals like: blocks the strings, or react in time to this set up, do not cave in the bait, etc. Winning ( I know it matters in a way) or loosing is not all. Winning is not what truly matters. What truly matters is that you Fought and you had fun. You could loose again and again, but you should rise up again and again till you overcome it. That's where true strength lies on. Point is I see a lot of people setting themselves with unrealistic images. Things are not so black (pro) and white(scrub). There is nothing wrong with gray. Play what you enjoy and always strive to improve.
CCVengeance Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 I really dont care about skill gaps TBH. If I lose, I lose. If I win, GGs,bro.
Master Of Chaos Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 This character... Would someone be able to tell me what Ky says for his magical chant during his IK, and what his arcade victory quote is against Sol? His victory quote starts out with "It's my win, Sol." I can't make out the exact wording after that but he's basically saying he's getting a little irritated with Sol holding back all the time.
king of heart Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Isn't Tsubu among the top players? He's the best Bedman around, after all. Or is that still not enough to compete with the likes of Ogawa? Okay, that much is obvious. What about, I dunno, Machabo? Also, it's not the matter of "should play", but "could play". If someone doesn't have the time or isn't masochistic enough to lose to stronger players for weeks, then they're much more likely to pick one of the many other fighting games on the market. Of course, if it was up to me, everyone would be playing GG, but I realize that not everyone can do that even if they want to. Many Japanese players tends to change their name when switching to a different characters like Satou. I am not quite sure about Tsubu but i have seen him before.
DaiAndOh Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Isn't Tsubu among the top players? He's the best Bedman around, after all. Or is that still not enough to compete with the likes of Ogawa? Okay, that much is obvious. What about, I dunno, Machabo? Also, it's not the matter of "should play", but "could play". If someone doesn't have the time or isn't masochistic enough to lose to stronger players for weeks, then they're much more likely to pick one of the many other fighting games on the market. Of course, if it was up to me, everyone would be playing GG, but I realize that not everyone can do that even if they want to. Tsubu is a long time GG player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQp3OYBVigs
D.R.F. Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 ^ If you don't wanna go back too far he was fucking people up with ABA in AC+(?) and +R before moving towards the ManBed in XRD
Ziggy_Stardust Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 To clarify I didn't mean that can't become good and have a lack of time to play the game at the same time. I just mean it like this: Some people learn faster and some people learn slower. Some people have more time and some people have less time. So for some it is a more gradual thing to get good, but over time it will happen if the effort is put forth. I apologize for my previous post which was poorly written. Oh hey, I'm derailing a topic......I'm going to shut up now.
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