Guilty Gear Xrd Story Thread

[AllyOfJustice]

I was under the impression that it's called "Guilty Gear" because Sol is the guilty gear who created the gears. But it was actually That Man who created gears, Frederick was just the prototype. Sol was involved with the Gear Project, which eventually lead to the creation of Justice, which lead to genocide. So I thought Sol had something to do with the actual making of gears. I guess he's "guilty" for getting Aria killed and being hostile to the Holy Knights. Man, I need a page that summarizes all the stories from all games.

[D.R.F.]

Not all of that, but you got it about right. Hes more ashamed of letting Aria become what she's become

[Blade]

We don't know what happened to Aria for sure... "That Man" just says "We both killed her" he doesn't say what really happened (people keep assuming she's Justice but other than an offhand and confusing comment from Justice when she died, there's no proof yet).  Especially given that Justice probably wouldn't remember since there are technically "two" Gear Projects (the first one where Sol escaped and the second one which restarted 50+ years later).

 

As for the first Gear Project... Frederick was part of the start of that theory, since he was the one who understood Magic Particle Physics (so he's the Mage behind the project while "That Man" is the Bioinformatics side or biology/genome side (so he probably didn't know or could conceive as much about Magic as Frederick could)... then you have Aria who is the Programming / computer A.I. side for cybernetics and such).  They couldn't have gotten as far as they did without Frederick's knowledge, even "That Man" admitted this. 

 

Gears are half animal half human infused with Magic, so they're pretty much linked to the Backyard as Dr. Paradigm explained (which Sol didn't know about at first).   It wasn't until later that "That Man" actually went in to the Backyard to make the Cube (so he probably learned a lot over the course of that time after the first Gear Project mostly failed).  He had a lot of time to learn and get to know people like I-No (a witch from the future) and Raven (an immortal since before he was even born).

 

As for the sacred treasures (OutRage), yes Frederick made them, but it seems that they were too powerful as a single unit so he broke them up in to 8 parts, most of the parts were recovered by the Senato / Sacred Order during the Crusades (Senato having connections to the Assassins is probably how Slayer got his dagger).

 

By "stealing" Fireseal, he was just getting back a piece of it... Kliff would've given it to him later anyway.  He later steals Ky's Thunderseal (during Lightning the Argent novel) because he thinks Ky wasn't using it properly (and just going around interrogating people), but gives it back when Ky is in a pinch against the President of Blackard (who turned himself in to a Gear with Vitae) and decides to let him keep it for now... it was implied in VastEdge that Sol was trying to get the Senga back from the Senato as well... I don't know what happened regarding that yet.

 

Only Izuna and Dr. Paradigm know Sol is "Frederick" as far as allies go.  Ky might catch on eventually, but I don't think Justice knew, because when she first meets Sol she calls him a "reckless human". In fact Justice never even calls him Frederick by name... only Valentine does (and she was "injected" with Aria's memories supposedly).  Axl Low claims he has a picture of "Freddie" when he was just a kid.

 

Outside of those people "That Man" knows (obviously), Raven, and I-No know (but don't especially care).  I suspect Slayer knows, but doesn't care either.

 

Sin probably has an inkling since he knows Sol tends to use big scientific words every now and then that he can't understand.

 

There's a tiny minuscule possibility that Anji Mito knows who Sol is, but he's very indirect about talking about it (he mostly caught on that Sol has a link to "That Man").  Baiken calls Sol a "monster" so she probably thinks he's a Gear as well, so...

[AllyOfJustice]

I wonder if That Man is even in Xrd. So many years and I still don't know what his face looks like.

[kylehyde]

There is a an art picture where it shows Sol, Aria, and That Man as scientists.

[SolxBaiken]

Yeah, but we still don't know his face, because mysterious mystery is mysterious.

 

And I am sure The Man is either involved in the larger story mode or at least going to set up the next arc's conflict by the end of this one.

and cue in the Rebel Against The Man club

[Master Of Chaos]

Between Axl and I-no's Arcade stories, it's pretty much a guarantee that "That Man" will play a significant part in XRD's story.

[Blade]

What interests me is how Bedman fits in to all this.

 

At first it was indicated he was working as a "cleaner/assassin/henchman" for the Senato... but then when he talks to Sol later, he says he's got a different employer.  It's not the Senato and he even goes out of his way to say it's not "That Man" either... that his employer is a human.

 

So Bedman is aware of "That Man", he's certainly quick on the uptake (and how Sol is connected to him).

 

Not only that, but Axl Low is doing favors for the "Original Man" now... who is another mystery guy.

[AllyOfJustice]

I'm waiting for Sol to impregnate I-No so they can have their own gear baby to rival Sin.

[FattMatt1887]

I was kinda thinking original man might be the sage from the opening, but that's improbable I guess.

[Blade]

I was kinda thinking original man might be the sage from the opening, but that's improbable I guess.

 

No no, it's not improbable, in fact it's very likely "Original Man" is the same guy.  Figure, a guy who can enter the Backyard and leave without being scathed has to know something about Tuning in the Backyard's density in order for his soul not to get crushed.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he found a way to slow down his aging much like "That Man" did (not only that but the guy was speaking in Axl Low's head telepathically, so he might have quite a bit of power).

[FattMatt1887]

Ok great, I glad it's not such a crazy thought after all, I just hadn't seen anyone suggest it yet.

[Clousephinat]

What seems more interesting about Bedman is that not even I-No seems to know his identity, the proof of this lies in her victory quote against Bedman saying "What the hell is wrong with this guy?!", and until now, since she is a Human/Humanoid Gear/Witch/whatever from the future she already knew almost all the cast of GG, including Valentine and many things not even That Man knew back then.

 

My humble assumption is that whoever Bedman is, maybe he's an existence it shouldn't have existed in this world, just like those "few things" the same I-No states having changed before she drags That Man into the mess, like Ramlethal appearing to be much stronger compared to all the times she killed her before, and if someone thinks that Bedman is working for the PWAB... Then again, she already knows about them as well, to what extend we don't know, but it's probably something.

 

Let's not forget also that Bedman seems to have something to do with the Backyard as well.

[Master Of Chaos]

Let's not forget also that Bedman seems to have something to do with the Backyard as well.

 

Where did this come up? I don't remember that in any of the arcades.

[Clousephinat]

Where did this come up? I don't remember that in any of the arcades.

 

In Bedman's Arcade Mode, when Sol is dragged into the Nightmare Theater, he says that he was feeling something really similar to when he was in the Backyard, just before Bedman appears in front of him.

[Blade]

I don't know... Bedman seems like the result of one of P.W.A.B.'s experiments gone awry if you ask me... and would explain why he's doing legwork for the Senato (who PWAB supposedly might be working under, along with the Assassins who Senato keep on a leash).

 

The Senato used that revival technique on Zato=ONE (stolen from Faust) and the result was the same as if Zato had been "reborn" in the Backyard (Izuna described Valentine and himself the same way when they were born as "Residents", no emotions, barely understanding the self, a blank slate basically).

 

If the Senato are messing around with the Backyard already, that would explain the Revival of Zato, and maybe even explain why Bedman can link in to something "like" the Backyard.

 

The Backyard was full of dense pressure, so if Sol was getting put inside the Nightmare Theater having pressure like that... there's no telling if Bedman is even human anymore... only the "Sage" ("Original Man") and "That Man" (the man who makes the impossible possible / Gearmaker) seem to have no problems entering and leaving the Backyard.

 

I-No's winquote against him is too generic to go by though, so I can't tell if Bedman existed in previous timelines or anything beyond that (unless she mentions Bedman not existing anywhere except this timeline like Sin).

 

In fact I'd like to see I-No's reaction to Sin, since he's the result of this "patched" timeline that she technically fixed.

[Master Of Chaos]

Bedman himself he's not working for the Senate, only that's his employer is a human.

[Blade]

Then why is there some early indications that he's working for the Senato... just what is he doing with them in the first place?

 

Or, at least, that's what I heard from another source... I'll have to confirm the source.

 

(I hate waiting for GGXrd, I want my INFO... urrrgh).

[Master Of Chaos]

I don't remember any actual evidence that he was working for the Senate, only rumors. In any case, pretty sure that info from the actual game is pretty damning. 

[Blade]

I guess I'll just have to see Bedman's story mode one of these days...

[CCVengeance]

Okay, lets see if Im getting this straight:

-Main plot: Ram declares war on the world. All the characters make their way to Japan and fight her. It turns out it was a distraction so The Cradle can consume Babylon by order of the senato. The senato prepare to take over the world.

-5 years in the future: the world is grey and lifeless. Only the timetravellers appear here.

- Senato: Are planning to take over the world. Studied the rebirth technique for unknown purposes. They claim that it is for the sake of humanity(although Ram thinks its for the death of humankind). Zato, Slayer and Ky have some idea of what senato's endgame is.

-Ky and Sol: I guess they are the canon final opponents of Ram. Ky has info from someone he refers to as "she"(I dont recall this ever being discuss ingame). Sol says there are other valentines.

-Zato and Faust: Zato is resurrected by the senato as a nearly emotiinless husk. Faust attempted to use the rebirth tech on a patient so the senato sent Zato to kill him. For some reason this fails and leads to Faust's madness. Zato says he was brought back for the sake of seeing if it was sucessful. Venom, Millia and Slayer plotlines are connected to this. Specifically, Slayer has some idea what the senato are planning with ressurection and it made him lose his composure.

-Timetravellers: Axl is given a message by the original man to give to that man. For some reason his timejumps are focused between the present and the 5 years later babylon. Whoever Bedman works for is scared of axl's message enough to actually attempt to kill him as opposed to distract him. He passes the message to I-No and is sent to another point in time. I-No on the otherhand is concerened this timeline does not match any other(Ram and Sol being way stronger now).

-Chipp, May and Pot: Pretty minor.

-Bedman's employer: Is a human. Works seperately from all other parties. Did not want axl's message to reach that man. According to Bedman he will be known soon enough.

-the original man: Has some connection to that man and has been working with him for some time since I-No is aware of it. For some reason cannot contact that man directly dispite doing so in the past.

So yeah itz pretty much gonna be the heroes vs senato vs that man's forces?

[churchblue]

What about that sage (The Philosopher) that went to the Backyard and back? Was he ever mentioned again or is HE the original man?

[Clousephinat]

A few corrections.

 

-Main plot: Ram declares war on the world. All the characters make their way to Japan and fight her. It turns out it was a distraction so The Cradle can consume Babylon by order of the senato. The senato prepare to take over the world.

 

While it's true that the Senato have joined forces with Ramlethal, the Senate and "Mother" are being manipulated among themselves in order to achieve a desirable goal of each one, so it's just a temporal alliance, we don't even know if the Senato really wanted this to happen if they haven't joined forces with her, but we know for sure that everything is going according to "Mother's" objective, at least for now.

 

-5 years in the future: the world is grey and lifeless. Only the timetravellers appear here.

 

Not exactly, first of all, I-No is from the future, she was born in that timeline to begin with. And Axl has already been in many ages before Xrd, including that gray future.

 

-Ky and Sol: I guess they are the canon final opponents of Ram. Ky has info from someone he refers to as "she"(I dont recall this ever being discuss ingame). Sol says there are other valentines.

 

Yes, I have already said this several times, and I can only picture three candidates that we know so far:

 

1- Dizzy: In Xrd's Prequel, Dr Paradigm says that the decoding incantation is almost finished but until then, he can't break the seal of his wife yet. In Sol's Arcade Mode, he says that he has something to discuss with him, AND bring Sin with him. We don't know the time passed between the prequel and the actual game, but according to the prequel Dizzy smiled when Ky gazes at her, maybe suggesting that short time for her to be saved.

 

2- Sharon: She's the wife of Slayer and not a normal being, that's for sure. Like his husband, it wouldn't be surprising that she has a lot of information on what's going on, though she seems to be always with his lover, in #R plot Slayer already helped Ky, it could be that Slayer send his wife to tell him something?

 

3- Libraria: Yeah, the member of the Senate. We don't know anything about her, but according to the Arcade Mode, she seems a little hesitant towards achieving the Senate's goal unlike the rest of them.

 

Sol already knew there are more Valentines, he only says that the Cradle seems to have been activated by another Valentine, not Ram-chan.
 

-Zato and Faust: Zato is resurrected by the senato as a nearly emotiinless husk. Faust attempted to use the rebirth tech on a patient so the senato sent Zato to kill him. For some reason this fails and leads to Faust's madness. Zato says he was brought back for the sake of seeing if it was sucessful. Venom, Millia and Slayer plotlines are connected to this. Specifically, Slayer has some idea what the senato are planning with ressurection and it made him lose his composure.

 

Not exactly, it was the PWAB that hired the Assassin's Guild to that purpose, and the PWAB were probably hired by the Senate as well, so...

 

Senate (Chronus)>PWAB (????)>Assassin's Guild (Zato)

 

-Timetravellers: Axl is given a message by the original man to give to that man. For some reason his timejumps are focused between the present and the 5 years later babylon. Whoever Bedman works for is scared of axl's message enough to actually attempt to kill him as opposed to distract him. He passes the message to I-No and is sent to another point in time. I-No on the otherhand is concerened this timeline does not match any other(Ram and Sol being way stronger now).

 

On the contrary, she's really happy that she can finally shoot fireworks to this worthless world, and when she sees Sol being even more powerful than the last time, she doesn't seem to be concerned about that, furthermore even saying things can maybe be interesting now.

 

And Axl is supposed to have return to the canon timeline since I-No says she's going to send him in the Integrate Point.
 

-the original man: Has some connection to that man and has been working with him for some time since I-No is aware of it. For some reason cannot contact that man directly dispite doing so in the past.

 

What makes you thing so? I-No knows the Original Man, but that doesn't mean that That Man knows him. The only thing sure is that Original Man knows the Gearmaker, but this could just be like when I-No knew That Man before find him, and back then he didn't know I-No.

 

Again, I-No is a time traveler, it's perfectly normal for her to know something that even people like That Man and Slayer wouldn't know.

 

Doing so in the past? When? I-No doesn't even say "he couldn't", maybe the Original Man could have contacted with That Man long before, but he wasn't interested in doing so until now, until Bedman appears.

[Master Of Chaos]

Regarding the medical mishap-subplot, Zato gives us the order of events as this:

 

-Faust proposed a new and unapproved technique to save a dying girl. This technique had a crucial secret regarding the resurrection of life.

 

-The Senate, or someone with higher authority than Faust who was working for the Senate, denied Faust permission to use the technique. The girl died as a result.

 

-The Senate hired Zato to take care of Faust sometime afterword, but due to circumstances, this didn't happen (Most likely due to Faust becoming Baldhead and Zato's imprisonment).

 

This doesn't match up with Faust's XX ending with Venom. I can only think of three distinct possibilities that make sense:

 

-The PWAB's involvement with Faust's incident has been retconned and thrown out the window, having been changed to the Senate being the ones responsible.

 

-Zato's memory is fuzzy due to his recent resurrection and he doesn't remember the full details.

 

-The PWAB is still involved, but in a different way then described before, and the full explanation was kept short for Faust's arcade story and saved for the Story Mode on console release. 

[SoWL]

I'd like to quote this post, which makes the most sense out of the whole Zato-Faust plot to me so far:

Intricate story indeed. My understanding of his Xrd story and #R story path 3:
1. Faust proposes to use the Rebirth Technique which will save his patient life. (maybe he does not knows that this tecnique actually can ressurect from the dead)
2. the Senate learns about it and uses one of Faust's colleagues to hire the Guild and deal with Faust ("it was rejected" means that the Senate could not allow this to happen)
3. Somehow Zato (or someone else by his command) murders girl under the guise of a medical mishap.
4. Faust thinks that his Rebirth Tecnhique killed her and goes mad (so he will not ever use "failed" technique again)
5. Bald guy with scalpel appears on scene. It's havoc time!