Guilty Gear Xrd Story Thread

[Clousephinat]

I guess she's just being imprisoned by Ky, people in a cell have different clothes, ¿right?

 

There's nothing strange with May hanging with Chipp, one doesn't know that she's a Japanese (good to know that AC+ is non-canon in all paths after all), while the other wants to learn Japanese and become President, I wouldn't be surprised if Chipp ends up being another Japanese survivor, he's also an orphan after all.

 

The fun thing about I-No and Axl relationship, is that I-No doesn't seem to "hate" Axl or having any grudge against him, unlike the rest of the cast.

[D.R.F.]

Chipp is just a weeb. He used to be a crack dealer in America.

[Clousephinat]

Yeah I know, just saying if by any chance this would happen.

[Zysets]

Well, he's a bit of a rolling stone.  Even when he was with Aria he didn't exactly get along with her even if he had a brief thing with her.

...

"That Man" says they both killed her.  If that is true then something else may have happened that we are unaware of.

 

Things like this are what really makes me like Sol. We don't know everything about him, and as much as I would like to know the stories behind all this, among other things, I also don't. The huge blank spaces in his past don't mean much to me in the long run. He's who he is because of those events, but he's abandoned his past life as Frederick, and it just feels right to the same. But that's just my thoughts.

[Master Of Chaos]

People keep spreading this rumor and we don't know for sure if Aria is Justice or not.  Please stop spreading misinfo.

This coming from the guy who I could've sworn was saying "Bedman works for the Senate" long after his arcade story had him specifically say he didn't.

Also, considering the fact that I-No uses her "Pissed off" voice set in matches against Axl (The only other person she does this with is Sol), I'd say she is very much not fond of Axl. At the very least, she doesn't like him acting perverted towards her. Which is pretty fucking weird for I-No but what can you say?

[D.R.F.]

This coming from the guy who I could've sworn was saying "Bedman works for the Senate" long after his arcade story had him specifically say he didn't.

Also, considering the fact that I-No uses her "Pissed off" voice set in matches against Axl (The only other person she does this with is Sol), I'd say she is very much not fond of Axl. At the very least, she doesn't like him acting perverted towards her. Which is pretty fucking weird for I-No but what can you say?

I think she thinks that he is a bother to be around. I-No is at least acquainted with axl. And nothing in my mind tells me that justice isnt aria. Too many things that match. But until its official otherwise we can believe otherwise;)

[Zysets]

And nothing in my mind tells me that justice isnt aria. Too many things that match. But until its official otherwise we can believe otherwise;)

 

There's a lot of evidence with dates that would make that a big fat continuity error, which Blade pointed out, but I won't discredit that theory either. What I really want to say though, is that It seems to be a topic that can turn into an unnecessary argument, so I say it's best to avoid that.

[Clousephinat]

Then, why didn't I-No kill Axl in the Arcade story? Or someone really thinks he's more powerful than the likes of I-No or Ky? I would say he's probably one of the most powerful characters among the "dolls", but nothing more than that, at least for now.

 

If you ask me, that scan doesn't seem to be like I-No is making things worse for Axl, but rather it seems that she's somehow helping him, and Axl is just surprised for whatever the reason he finds out thanks to her.

 

But, I guess I should have made clear why I think things are like that:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5B5IBKZu6M&feature=player_detailpage#t=421

[D.R.F.]

In XRD I am pretty sure I-No saves Axl from Bedman. I dont think Axl has raw power that the senate fears, but simply a rare ability, even his time traveling might be enough to make someone want him dead.

[Clousephinat]

I-No saves Axl when she sends him to the Integrate Point, but she didn't know that he was going to die before that.

 

Really fun though, now that I think about it... I-No has Boss Voice against Sol and Axl, and both of them end up being saved thanks to her.

[Blade]

I admit, I was surprised to learn that Bedman had nothing to do with the Senato, but that was based on information I was told by a source that had more information (supposedly) on Bedman than me at the time.

 

Even more so I am surprised that I-No would have anything at all to do with Axl Low, since it seems more like he'd get in the way of her plans if anything.  And it flies in the face of Bedman's objectives, which seems to be only something I-No would know about (and only I-No so far at that).

 

I-No is the only character in Guilty Gear that has stated that she is "still human" despite all her powers.

 

Bedman intends to surprise Sol by introducing his client who is "still human".

 

Again, this is a conflicting mystery I'm biting my lip to know the answer to!

 

Bedman is a lot like Arakune in that he speaks in riddles.  Already I think he knows about Raven, Slayer, and even a few other individuals... so it's hard to say what his objective truly is or where he came from.  He even addresses Sol as "Flame of Corruption"... so far only Raven, I-No, and Justice have ever called Sol that!!!

[Clousephinat]

Venom also called Sol Flame of Corruption, and I'm sure some other character too.

 

And there's also some evidence to think I-No is not human, or at the very least not an ordinary human for sure, like this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoIrWALK_wM

 

And obviously, if he knows That Man there's a high chance he knows Raven, and the same goes if you kill someone's servant (Slayer).

[Master Of Chaos]

The dialogue in Axl's arcade seems to indicate that I-No saved Axl entirely on accident (He fell into some sort of spell/trap/net I-No had set up. For whom and what purpose? No idea). And she does try and kill him until he manages to get out "Hey, I have a message for That Man from The Original, stop hitting me!"

What is I-No's true relationship with Axl? Does she hate him, or secretly care for him? Is she a closet Tsundere? A weird subverion of a Yandere? THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW!

I-No objective for XRD's story seems to be "GTFO of this stuck time, don't wanna end up like ol'Terumi." Considering she seems to have gone through this many times already, I doubt she's going to be picky about any hope she can find.

[Chipp12]

But, I guess I should have made clear why I think things are like that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5B5IBKZu6M&feature=player_detailpage#t=421

 

I wouldn't be quoting Judgment stuff if I was you since it was written by man who didn't work on other GG games (except Dust Strikers) and Daisuke also didn't work on it (and Dust Strikers).

[Blade]

(I totally forgot Venom calls Sol 'Flame of Corruption' that, but Venom's an assassin so it's expected of him to be informed, I need to refresh my memory on stuff I guess, it's been a while...).

 

Based on what she says in Axl's ending with her, I-No thinks of "That Man" as a kind of 'savior' out of her grey world.  Axl was worried because he's considered the 'Criminal that started the Crusades'...

 

Then she mentions something about an Integrated Point, which is where she sends Axl, instead of sending him to Cotswolds, England May 14th, 1998 (lol the date the first Guilty Gear was published, please).

 

Not sure what this Integrated Point is (or what year specifically), but it seems to be something she set up as a means to jump around time and fix things much faster as needed.

[Clousephinat]

Millia and Venom have also tried to kill each other several times, and look how things are now. It's not like I-No tried to kill Axl until hearing of Original-san message, this is a FIGHTING GAME, you have to put some excuse in order to have fights against someone, but it's not like most of those specific battles really happened.

 

Integrate Point is A.D. 2187, in other words, I-No sends Axl back to the actual timeline she fixed along with That Man after they met in Drama CD Side Black, thus leading finally to Xrd plot.

 

I know Judgment and Dust Strikers are both non-canon and all that, but most of the characters relantionship and personality remains the same, both Ky and Bridget are still "naive", Axl is still amazed by I-No knockers... I mean, face, Eddie is still trying to find a proof of his existence,... And etc. If AC+ didn't exist, you would probably say the same thing regarding Eddie, and that's completely true until he finally dies at the hands of Millia, and Judgment was released before AC+

[Blade]

GG Judgment doesn't say much except that Raymond was a scientist who was disappointed in "That Man" and Justice so he took matters in his own hands.

 

Other than that, he claimed he knew a lot about all the characters involved, specifically that I-No was talented with magic at an early age.

 

I don't know why people keep bashing AC+, but it's Gaiden like the rest except GG and GG2.

 

Still, I'm not sure 2187 is "the" year I-No refers to.  It certainly might refer to the same timeline she is controlling, yes, but there was a point in the future where 'Future Axl' talks to 'Past Axl' in order to cheer himself up (he does this twice, first as a morale boost, later as a means to get out of that era, but after that he got stuck in 2187), so it goes as far back as 2172 and 2181 as far as Axl's time jumps go.

[Master Of Chaos]

Chill bra. I ain't tryin to deny anything you said or anything, I just find it odd how their relationship fluctuates. Then again, I guess you can say the same thing about the GG cast in general. Like you said, fighting game stories.

One thing that got me curious. I-No wonders aloud why The Orginal didn't contact That Man directly, instead of using Axl as a messenger. I have to wonder about that too. Is there a specific reason as to why he couldn't? If so, why didn't he try to use I-No instead? He gave Axl the message while he was wondering in the Post-Doomsday timeline where I-No usually hangs. It couldn't have been that difficult to find her.

[Blade]

It's just a guess, but maybe he wanted "others" to know that he was trying to give "That Man" a message, something like a diversionary tactic.

 

You know how during a war if you want to ship something somewhere you either encrypt it in code or send out decoys so that if the enemy gets ahold of one of the decoys it's not the real thing... or in this case the real message?

 

It might be something like that...

 

Axl probably barely remembers the message he was given, knowing him... he seemed a bit hesitant to tell even I-No (in fact we don't even know what he has to say AS a message so it's uncertain what it would be).

 

Then again, it could be a message with a double meaning... it might be that the reason he didn't contact them directly was because something came up and he was unable to, or the circumstances were such that it would've been more ideal to put Axl Low in a situation as the messenger (as perhaps Axl is more trustworthy or might have a separate use besides delivering the message?), this "Original Man" might be trying to circumvent someone or make things so blatant that they think he's making a move when he has other plans...

 

Urgh... yeah this is complicated to think about... so I think I'll just wait... heh.

[Clousephinat]

 

don't know why people keep bashing AC+, but it's Gaiden like the rest except GG and GG2.

 

Still, I'm not sure 2187 is "the" year I-No refers to.  It certainly might refer to the same timeline she is controlling, yes, but there was a point in the future where 'Future Axl' talks to 'Past Axl' in order to cheer himself up (he does this twice, first as a morale boost, later as a means to get out of that era, but after that he got stuck in 2187), so it goes as far back as 2172 and 2181 as far as Axl's time jumps go.

 

????

 

I really don't understand what happened here, please explain yourself. X, XX, and even Xrd as well are Gaiden, and? There are a few events we know that are canon despite of that, like the death of Eddie (which is the most reasonable explanation, because if not, we are assuming then that Millia was dead as well in her other path) and Ky choosing to become a lolicon (Path 1).

 

It seems you're saying is bad I'm "bashing" AC+ because is Gaiden, and you're telling me now about those events of the Future Axl and Past Axl from Gaiden games? Then again, the death of Eddie is obviously the canon one, and Axl Path 3 in #R and I don't remember which Path (or both) in AC+ are not confirmed to be canon, I would even say that some characters probably doesn't have anything really canon especially in AC+, like Slayer which is supposed to return to his own world and never being able to come back in the human world, and there he's again in Xrd like anything happened. I would never put AC+ as something to believe everything that happens there, only what we know so far that really happened.

 

And then again... I said that I'm putting only the characters personality and relationship as a fact to believe, I don't care about anyting else, Noel, Raymond, and all of those exclusive characters in the game. Repeating myself again, I know is non-canon.

 

Certainly, I'm really curious too regarding what I-No said to herself, I have a guess of why Original-san contacted to Axl and not That Man, but probably is just a "crazy" thought though, all I can say is that it seems really suspicious.

 

Then finally, after saying all this... Yeah, I'm afraid of I-No becoming Tokisaki Kurumi, which is something I don't think I would like especially since I-No is one of my favorite villains and even my main character, but what can I say or do? Honestly, I don't want to lie to myself, like back then when it was obvious the Ky X Dizzy, not something that really matters to me, but in the end is impossible to like everything in a game, manga or whatever, I guess.

[SoWL]

Bedman is a lot like Arakune in that he speaks in riddles.

Why would you compare Bedman to a character who might as well constantly cite Macbeth and make about as much sense? The concept of sanity no longer applies to Arakune, as it's not even human, unlike Bedman.

[Zysets]

Why would you compare Bedman to a character who might as well constantly cite Macbeth and make about as much sense? The concept of sanity no longer applies to Arakune, as it's not even human, unlike Bedman.

 

I think the comparison was that it's hard to understand his speech.

 

Incoherent speech and complex riddles are both pretty difficult to understand.

[SoWL]

The thing is, there's nothing to understand in Arakune's speech. There is no content in his words, only the form. That is, except for the rare events of him stumbling upon Azure or his former colleagues, but in that case, it's difficult to NOT understand what he's talking about.

Bedman, on the other hand, is a complete mystery right now. Sure, it might turn out that his riddles are just gibberish, as well, but we can't be sure about that yet.

[Zysets]

Fair point, but what I meant to say by "difficult to understand" was that it's hard to understand, not necessarily that there is anything to understand. I guess my choice of words wasn't the best.

 

Regardless, Xrd's full story is unknown as far as I know, so this could be another "wait and see" kind of topic for now.

[Blade]

Gaiden doesn't mean its' "non-canon".  It just means that some parts of it may be canon and some may not, the events with Raymond who became Judgment still likely happened... just not in any organized order that we know of except in terms of "who came to the island first", the facts he gives about individual characters are canonical to the characters themselves, but that may not necessarily apply to their current stories... just facts about them and their pasts.  I-No will still be I-No regardless of who she resembles to fans, her story will be her own.

 

Axl's story is hard to narrow down because he's been all over the place so it's hard to say what's "canonical" with him specifically.  I do know that the only "canonical" aspect about him is that he hasn't met "That Man" yet like he said he was going to do back in GGX.  They kind of rewound his story a bit in each game, so now he has two reasons to meet him.  It's been established that he's met Kliff Undersn several times though during the time skips (originally met him in GGX, but the story is retold in AC+).

 

Axl has met himself twice, the first time in GGXX his "future self" encourages him (did this happen? We don't know but it didn't NOT happen as nothing has denied that it didn't so far), and then in AC+ his "future self" comes in again to the past and helps him move to another point in time (did this happen? Well he says Order-Sol didn't have enough power to send him somewhere else like he'd hoped so "Future Axl" was a godsend... so likely this did happen, but we just don't know where Axl went after that).  Axl was also confirmed to have met "Past Justice" and "2180 Justice" not to mention the "Justice Copy" that forced him to time slip later on.  His story is convoluted, but eventually we might be able to piece it together someday, but a simpler way to look at it would be that so long as Axl is able to "move in to another time" his story continues (sometimes going back to earlier games)... it wasn't until GGXrd that he lost his ability to time travel, which is a significant "stop point" for his plot.

 

As far as accusing Ky of being a lolicon, that's a line of biased assumption.  Gears aren't human so you can't judge them by human standards.  Even Half Gears and Quarter Gears are no exception.  He just crossed a line by consummating with a Gear, that's all he did.  That's like saying someone built a robot the other day and you want to make robot babies with it even though it's 1 day old... age has nothing to do with functionality or maturity.  It's just a cultural moral standard that was pressed in to Law, and not all cultures adhere to it (read the Guinness Book of World Records for the youngest child birth if you don't believe me).

 

As for what I said earlier... Arakune knows things and says things that don't make sense at first, but as you learn more about the nature of the story within the game, certain things begin to click, such as when he says "You don't understand, we're all being watched!" (which is later revealed to be because of Takamagahara).  That's why I say he's like Bedman and speaks in riddles, we won't know what Bedman is really talking about until we know more of the story.