SolxBaiken Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Well we don't know, the two most prominent XX debuting characters do appear (Slayer and I-No) but both have been mentioned in the past, the only unaccounted characters would be Bridget and Zappa (and to a looser extent A.B.A). They most likely exist (Zappa does have VastEdge concept work) but this allows them to be reintroduced and given more significant roles to play (if needed).
MasterXDrake Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I wish they had just done a complete reboot. New players like me will have no idea who these chars are and why we should care for them.
SolxBaiken Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 From what the arcade story has shown, you aren't missing much, they recap past events and relationships and many characters' general dispositions are pretty much in the same place as where XX began/ended. I doubt you'll have a hard time jumping in, but one might benefit more from the more subtle nods and references. Tons of games with sequels (not decades apart) try ot adhere to this formula.
SoWL Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I wouldn't say that the game's absence on the website means it's not canon, but since there are a few plot points that imply that (such as Faust's arcade mode), I'm not exactly surprised about it. With the ridiculous amount of endings it accumulated over all its versions, it might be for the best to just drop them all and start from scratch.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Wait, that means HOS doesn't exist....I cannot accept this.
Vulcan422 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Wait...if they're retconning XX then that's going to be huge in terms of characterization. -The PWAB no longer exists, effectively being replaced with the Senato. As such, there would be no Robo-Ky or Justice Clones (because no Crow) and they would be behind things such as Zato getting his forbidden beast and Testament becoming a Gear. -May still hasn't found out she's Japanese yet. -Millia doesn't have any problems with her forbidden beast consuming her. -Eddie never goes out on his own to find the meaning of his existence, and never uses Zato's body as a sockpuppet. -Chipp doesn't go to the Assassins Guild first to gather presidential votes, and he is never temporarily brainwashed by the PWAB/Senato. -Faust never finds out that the Assassins Guild played a part in the death of his patient until Slayer sends him the message from his intro. -Axl does not encounter Raven (makes sense since the plot point was dropped as soon as it was revealed that the two weren't connected). -Baiken is still looking for That Man and hasn't started going crazy. -Anji still hasn't met That Man yet. -Johnny is apparently MIA. -Venom never confronts Slayer for the rights to keep the Assassins Guild up and running. He just takes over and strives to improve it, mending his relation with Millia somewhere along the line -Jam is still at her restaurant, which is doing well since Robo-Ky isn't there to burn it down and force her involvement in the story. -Testament is still being emo in the Devil's Grove. -Dizzy never loses control of her powers due to not having encountered I-no. -Bridget is still being Bridget. -Slayer never enters the human world to disband the Assassins Guild. -Zappa is still possessed by all the ghosts. -I-no is more fleshed out, still a bitch but her reasons may become more clear. In Xrd's story it's shown that she's doing what she does because she thinks Sol is the cause of the bleak future (Babylon in 5 years) and she's actively working to prevent it. -A.B.A. no longer exists. -Sol is never brought back in time by I-no to fight Order-Sol.
D.R.F. Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Wait...if they're retconning XX then that's going to be huge in terms of characterization. -The PWAB no longer exists, effectively being replaced with the Senato. As such, there would be no Robo-Ky or Justice Clones (because no Crow) and they would be behind things such as Zato getting his forbidden beast and Testament becoming a Gear. -May still hasn't found out she's Japanese yet. -Millia doesn't have any problems with her forbidden beast consuming her. -Eddie never goes out on his own to find the meaning of his existence, and never uses Zato's body as a sockpuppet. -Chipp doesn't go to the Assassins Guild first to gather presidential votes, and he is never temporarily brainwashed by the PWAB/Senato. -Faust never finds out that the Assassins Guild played a part in the death of his patient until Slayer sends him the message from his intro. -Axl does not encounter Raven (makes sense since the plot point was dropped as soon as it was revealed that the two weren't connected). -Baiken is still looking for That Man and hasn't started going crazy. -Anji still hasn't met That Man yet. -Johnny is apparently MIA. -Venom never confronts Slayer for the rights to keep the Assassins Guild up and running. He just takes over and strives to improve it, mending his relation with Millia somewhere along the line -Jam is still at her restaurant, which is doing well since Robo-Ky isn't there to burn it down and force her involvement in the story. -Testament is still being emo in the Devil's Grove. -Dizzy never loses control of her powers due to not having encountered I-no. -Bridget is still being Bridget. -Slayer never enters the human world to disband the Assassins Guild. -Zappa is still possessed by all the ghosts. -I-no is more fleshed out, still a bitch but her reasons may become more clear. In Xrd's story it's shown that she's doing what she does because she thinks Sol is the cause of the bleak future (Babylon in 5 years) and she's actively working to prevent it. -A.B.A. no longer exists. -Sol is never brought back in time by I-no to fight Order-Sol. That's a lot to consider
Master Of Chaos Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I don't think every little thing will be phased out, but it's certain we're going to see quite a bit of retconning.
SolxBaiken Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Wait...if they're retconning XX then that's going to be huge in terms of characterization. -The PWAB no longer exists, effectively being replaced with the Senato. As such, there would be no Robo-Ky or Justice Clones (because no Crow) and they would be behind things such as Zato getting his forbidden beast and Testament becoming a Gear. -May still hasn't found out she's Japanese yet. -Millia doesn't have any problems with her forbidden beast consuming her. -Eddie never goes out on his own to find the meaning of his existence, and never uses Zato's body as a sockpuppet. -Chipp doesn't go to the Assassins Guild first to gather presidential votes, and he is never temporarily brainwashed by the PWAB/Senato. -Faust never finds out that the Assassins Guild played a part in the death of his patient until Slayer sends him the message from his intro. -Axl does not encounter Raven (makes sense since the plot point was dropped as soon as it was revealed that the two weren't connected). -Baiken is still looking for That Man and hasn't started going crazy. -Anji still hasn't met That Man yet. -Johnny is apparently MIA. -Venom never confronts Slayer for the rights to keep the Assassins Guild up and running. He just takes over and strives to improve it, mending his relation with Millia somewhere along the line -Jam is still at her restaurant, which is doing well since Robo-Ky isn't there to burn it down and force her involvement in the story. -Testament is still being emo in the Devil's Grove. -Dizzy never loses control of her powers due to not having encountered I-no. -Bridget is still being Bridget. -Slayer never enters the human world to disband the Assassins Guild. -Zappa is still possessed by all the ghosts. -I-no is more fleshed out, still a bitch but her reasons may become more clear. In Xrd's story it's shown that she's doing what she does because she thinks Sol is the cause of the bleak future (Babylon in 5 years) and she's actively working to prevent it. -A.B.A. no longer exists. -Sol is never brought back in time by I-no to fight Order-Sol. 1. The PWAB existed in X, they were formed after the crusades. Robo-Ky made his first appearance in X+'s story mode 2. May already knows she is Japanese, her entire Xrd story is about finding out what it means to BE Japanese 3. It is only mentioned in certain endings that Millia is losing control of her beast, but this will likely not be [immediately] brought back up as a plot point, even so, the door to that is still open and accessible 4. Again, pretty much the entire point of his Xrd story, but now it is a journey the two are taking on together 5. I don't recall this event . . . [is this AC+ story? Because if it is, LOL]. Regardless, doesn't matter, Chipp is already on the path of being a leader/President 6. That's more or less the point . . . 7. We don't know that, Axl is always slipping in and out and he already has a formal understanding of who That Man and I-No are 8. Please stop referencing AC+ garbage . . . 9. Again, an unknown variable, since we have no clue what the characters have been up to in the gap of Overture [and to a lesser extent for most, VastEdge] 10. This is a problem how? 11. Venom was the head of the Guild in X, because Slayer was unaccounted for 12. Is that such a bad thing? That her only involvement comes from random chance I mean 13. As if he would never not be 14. Dizzy lost control in X, it was the ENTIRE point of X, XX just had no idea what to do with her for the most part, so they said "oh no, her powers are unstable!" 15. Again, we can't account for anything because we don't know where he is, and even so, this changes nothing . . . 16. I dunno about disbanding but he is in the human world in Xrd . . . 17. Again, not really a grievance [that I can see] 18. A.B.A technically never existed, she was just a fun character from a side project that got put into the main entry to develop some new blood, and I won't even bother acknowledging AC+, but this gives her a chance to be a real character and part of the series, so . . . no problem to me 19. Again, nobody knew what to do, ass pull out a reason, not a bad thing that this will be erased but again like pretty much anything else, that's not to say it still couldn't happen Bottom line: erasing XX doesn't mean that nothing can be resurfaced/better structured, honestly XX was kind of filler as it really did advance very little, and with a more competent and ambitious story element can be retold in am ore meaningful and comprehensive way.
Zazz Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Huh, so according to the new timeline, it seems the events of the entire XX series have been phased out, which makes sense but is also somewhat saddening (for XX, not AC+ . . .) I'm just going to assume this means Arc is going to pick and choose various bits of continuity from XX/AC+ rather than go with everything portrayed in those games. And remember, Robo-Ky shows up in GGX+, so he's still around. Also Ky & Dizzy's shopping trip in GGX+ counts as their first date, right?
Blade Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 I think people are jumping the gun here... GGX and XX and ACPlus, etc are all "Gaiden" thus they are pretty much tied closely together as "The events of GGX". There should be a warning label "DON'T PANIC IT'S JUST A WEBPAGE."
White Man Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 The writers likely opted to leave GGXX out of the "official" timeline because they realized that certain plot threads were taken in a direction that contradicted later events or would necessitate a retcon in order to take the story in the direction they wanted to take it. This will make it easier for them to do whatever they want with the story without having to worry about selectively retconning bits and pieces of XX. That's not to say no part of that game's plot is canon, though. For them to canonically erase the entire Midnight Carnival arc would make no sense, as certain events in Overture (which is confirmed as being canon) depend on developments that occurred in XX. While the entirety of the events that took place in XX aren't necessarily canon, at least a couple of them have to be — otherwise, the plot of GG is officially more screwed up now than if everything up through AC+ had been made fully canon. I'm a little surprised to see Vastedge is apparently canon. Winding the thread of an already convoluted storyline through a pachislot game with semi-randomized events is an interesting decision, to say the least. I hope any significant plot details revealed in that game will be recapped in Xrd or covered in the character book or something, otherwise that chunk of the story is going to be a huge question mark for a lot of people.
kosmos badgirl Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 There should be a warning label "DON'T PANIC IT'S JUST A WEBPAGE." Is not a random website anyway, is the official website. As people already said, probably not everything from XX games will be canon but a decent chunk will be. My only hope is that they will explain everything clearly in the game and we don't have to buy artbooks or other stuff to get a clear picture of the timeline.
Blade Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 Well, it's my experience that a lot of mistakes have been put on Guilty Gear's "official websites" over the years, so I tend to balk at info when it's misrepresented online. Seriously, I'd sooner stick with the Character Book they're going to be releasing with GGXrd this December.
Amadeous Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 People freaking out that "oh my GOD guys not every detail in a fighting game story mode is canon!" Well no duh, GG plots were made in a time before "true endings" and story modes were fleshed out in fighting games. With Xrd they'll have to expand on the story the old fashioned way: pick a few events from previous games that they like the most, make those "canon", and carry on. Reminder that EVERYONE's ending happened in GG1, but canon events only include Sol killing Justice, and Kliff's death, with everyone else going through their character development on their own, and in GGX Jam was able to claim the bounty on Dizzy despite in Johnny's story mode the two never meet, and Johnny immediately agrees to adopt Dizzy into the Jellyfish Crew. Xrd will be no different, a few things here and there will be ignored as a canon string of events is woven.
shinr Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 In GGX Jam was able to claim the bounty on Dizzy despite in Johnny's story mode the two never meet, and Johnny immediately agrees to adopt Dizzy into the Jellyfish Crew. I was under the impression that Jam claiming the bounty and Johnny adopting Dizzy into the crew, while not related to each other by themselves, were both arranged by Ky to protect Dizzy from the bounty hunters. Probably a fanon that just makes sense.
Calamitus Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Who is this character behind Bedman? (no one answered in the "gameplay thread") http://oi61.tinypic.com/15i9en4.jpg
heavymetalmixer Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Who is this character behind Bedman? (no one answered in the "gameplay thread") http://oi61.tinypic.com/15i9en4.jpg Maybe his "client".
Guilty Valentine Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Wait...if they're retconning XX then that's going to be huge in terms of characterization. -Axl does not encounter Raven (makes sense since the plot point was dropped as soon as it was revealed that the two weren't connected). Where was that revealed? Last thing I remember was an interview with Daisuke in the Overture Collection. Said: " Q38: There is a group of fans that say Raven and Axel are the same existence… A38: Well. I don’t remember preparing any set-up about that. But, since it is boring to completely reject it, I’ll just leave it to your imagination." But I hope Xrd expands Raven anyway.
Blade Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Bedman's "Client" most likely, or someone important to him (though that's hard to imagine since he seems to not care about anyone very much). As far as the whole link between Axl and Raven goes... I'd just wait for now. "Identical Existence" =/= (does not equal) "Same Person"... it could be some dimensional jargon or something for all we know. Raven seems to be a former Knight of the original Crusades and a former lab experiment later on.... but that doesn't mean he's no longer connected to something "Axl Low will do" in the future.
HeWhoRocksAlot Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Around 23:41-28:27, they showed stuff about Xrd story mode that left off at the end of the Arcade Story. They continue to talk about it till 41:08.http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1414649291
Blade Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Leo Whitefang seems to be the new kid on the block (DLC)! What I've learned so far is that he seems to have a connection to Illyria (probably one of the Kings) and more specifically to Ky (maybe even Ky's past with the Sacred Order)... I've seen the new boxart which depicts him as walking around reading a book or journal of some kind... so he may be "looking" for something.
SoWL Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Yes, he is one of the three kings, that's been known ever since he was introduced (which is even before this week). I've seen the new boxart which depicts him as walking around reading a book or journal of some kind... so he may be "looking" for something. Uhh, what?
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