Guilty Gear Xrd Story Thread

[Sourenga]

"His/Her"? That's definitely a male.

No, it's a costume apparently.
Within that huge old man is a female wearing Chinese-looking dress. That is, if we are to believe the reports on jbbs and Twitter (1, 2)

And this is May's reaction when she discovers the truth about Tuner. 

Edited August 27, 2015 by Sourenga

[Fangs Of Despair]

Jack-O Episode Mode

Can anyone understand what's happening? 

[SoWL]

That "Ki" looks an awful lot like ヒ to me.

As for the kanji, I believe it's 慧. And yeah, it seems that the reading is either Chinese or Korean.

[Blade]

I'm not sure if you guys are joking about May or if you're actually serious about that reaction, but if you don't mind explaining, I'd appreciate it.

As far as Jack-O's cutscene goes, I-No just went to wake her up... her mind switches from "adult mode" to "Kid mode" so she's pretty unstable... and she ends up running away.

I-No's wearing a nice coat and shades though.  The coat reminds me of her Lightning the Argent appearance.

Edit: If the giant "tuner guy" is really a costume and there's a girl underneath... we'd be right all along about Tuner's gender????  I'm confused.

@SoWL: Story mode is confusing enough, I don't need memes from Magical Girl Anime to confuse it further.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Blade

[Aegis High]

Haitoku no Honoo = Flame of Corruption or Corrupted Flame?

[Blade]

It's localized as Flame of Corruption officially.  Bedman's english dub calls him this.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Blade

[SoWL]

@SoWL: Story mode is confusing enough, I don't need memes from Magical Girl Anime to confuse it further.

Then you should probably stay out of the Internet altogether.

[Zedar90]

I'm not sure if you guys are joking about May or if you're actually serious about that reaction, but if you don't mind explaining, I'd appreciate it.

As far as Jack-O's cutscene goes, I-No just went to wake her up... her mind switches from "adult mode" to "Kid mode" so she's pretty unstable... and she ends up running away.

I-No's wearing a nice coat and shades though.  The coat reminds me of her Lightning the Argent appearance.

Edit: If the giant "tuner guy" is really a costume and there's a girl underneath... we'd be right all along about Tuner's gender????  I'm confused.

@SoWL: Story mode is confusing enough, I don't need memes from Magical Girl Anime to confuse it further.

From what the jbbs link says that Sourenga posted, it went like this:

Johnny and May meets up with the ´Tuner. May says that she thinks that the Tuner's name is cute, and Tuner becomes mad about May bad mouthing the name that the Tuner's mother had given him.
May apologizes and says it was only supposed to be a joke, but Tuner said that he was only teasing May. Since May is accompanying Johnny, he could teach her the secret why the name is cute sounding. Suddenly Tunner's upper body split open and and a woman appears from inside it and says that it is because she is a woman.

[Blade]

Well, that explains why people were confused about Tuner's gender earlier.  Thanks for clearing that up.

[The Badgerine]

 

You're gonna have to explain that joke to me because I don't watch Magical Girl Anime shows (or at least not recent ones).

Well uh...gee if you're that eager to know.

Kyubey's all about saving the universe from Entropy see. And he's more than familiar with the handling of 'souls'.

See? Harmless joke.

[Blade]

Saving the universe from Entropy isn't "quite" the same as preventing all souls from Entropy but I think I get it.

Though to be honest I still don't get how Souls could even enter an entropic state in the first place... since they're immaterial and not something that just ups and disappears even if a body (in theory) disappears, the soul would remain (again, in theory).

...Ahhh... my head.  Don't wanna think about it.

[Hector_JHJ]

A Leo player went through his Episode Mode today on Joniosan's  stream at around the 2:39:00 mark, for those willing to translate.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Hector_JHJ

[Hakkai_Requiem]

Hello, people, I never played GG before Xrd and I just finished reading library / watching story mode... right now

And I have a few questions as a n00b to its lore


Finally, not really lore linked but...
How the heck was the character screen time menaged? It basically was Sol/Sin/Leo/Ky/Valentines/Bedman story and two of them are optional DLC characters!
Every other character had just a minor role (with the possible exception of May and Faust)
The Assassin guild is meaningful only as a whole group, I-NO is there just for show, Axl has a Biscuit gag and a crypted message. And Potemkin is... well, he barely menages to appear on screen

-Library states Justice was the only sentient gear... so what about every other gear/half gear we see in action? They seem VERY sentient to me

-As we have other individuals crafted by gear cells (from Sol, to Dizzy, etc) why don't they fall slave of Justice as she awakes?
-Was the player supposed to be aware of Ky's little crimson secret in the end? Or was it uncovered only now in Xrd?
-At one point, bedman was held prisoner and he was deprived of his bed. So probably he lost his abilities. How the hell is he roaming free a bit later?

[The Badgerine]

 

Hello, people, I never played GG before Xrd and I just finished reading library / watching story mode... right now

And I have a few questions as a n00b to its lore


Finally, not really lore linked but...
How the heck was the character screen time menaged? It basically was Sol/Sin/Leo/Ky/Valentines/Bedman story and two of them are optional DLC characters!
Every other character had just a minor role (with the possible exception of May and Faust)
The Assassin guild is meaningful only as a whole group, I-NO is there just for show, Axl has a Biscuit gag and a crypted message. And Potemkin is... well, he barely menages to appear on screen

Hidden Content

 

Aight, lemme just tackle those one by one.

- I'm fairly certain Justice is stated to be the first sentient Gear, not necessarily the only one. At the time she was created, yes, she was the only one, at least officially.

- It's been shown in previous games' story mode that Justice, apparently, needs to be aware of the Gear's presence to take control of them (in her Reload story she had only just found about Sol being a Gear, and decided to attempt to control him right then and there, which is what gives me this implication). So when Chronus fused with Justice, he was unaware of Sin or Ky having Gear Cells, neither was he aware of Dizzy's presence, and thus was unable to control them. He was perfectly aware of the Opus though, they were all a part of his plan.

Furthermore, some Gears are immune to Justice's thrall. Sol being one, because he's a Prototype who was made before her. I'm not too sure with Dizzy, but since there are implications that she is a Command Type Gear like Justice, and may have similar powers, it would stand to reason that she may be immune as well.

- That's a new revelation in Xrd. Evidently, it's been foreshadowed since the Overture short stories, when Ky was wearing an eyepatch but none of us knew why.

- It's briefly suggested at one point in Xrd's story that Bedman takes control of multiple bodies. "At this rate, one body's not going to be enough for me." So I presume that's the reason he appeared to be free after being captured in Zepp.

As for your grievances of screen time, that's just how the wind blows, I guess. Even in BlazBlue, when it attempts to tell one long, linear story, several characters are pushed to the sidelines, so that's just kinda how it happens unless the game attempts to tell several character specific stories.

[Hakkai_Requiem]

Yeah, I'm probably just disappointed because I thought Axl and I-NO were cool, but then they got almost no screen time.


Btw, the explanation is clear but I can't still understand why

they didn't control Paradigm. They were well aware of his presence.

[The Badgerine]

Huh.

Y'know I never thought about them doing that. In regards to that, I'm not sure myself. Perhaps my previous explanation is wrong or missing something that would explain this, and if it is, I'm not sure what.

[Hakkai_Requiem]

Huh.

Y'know I never thought about them doing that. In regards to that, I'm not sure myself. Perhaps my previous explanation is wrong or missing something that would explain this, and if it is, I'm not sure what.

Or it' just because of a Plot-Shield and all our speculations can be just thrown into the garbage ;v;

[The Badgerine]

Or it' just because of a Plot-Shield and all our speculations can be just thrown into the garbage ;v;

Oh yeah, there are those in this game's story. I still enjoyed it immensely, but...

"Hey how did Sol end up trapped under some rubble if last we saw him he was floating in the sky?"
"uuhhhh ionno"

[Solhunter]

He probably fell from exhaustion after pulling off what looked like a Napalm Death while in Justice's stomach. :D

As stated about the Gears, some Gears and Youkai are immune to Justice's control due to willpower brought on by their evolved sentience.  Remember, Gears originally weren't programmed with a consciousness, which is part of why Justice could manipulate them. Gears capable of sentient thought are apparently much more difficult to control.  In Accent Core, Testament didn't react to the Justice Copy's Gear Resonance, whereas Dizzy, despite being a Command Type like her mother, was affected somewhat but wasn't put under its thrall. It just made Necro go berserk with her trying to calm him down. Sin fell into it with Valentine because Sol mentioned how he didn't train him to reinforce his mind against mental attacks yet.

Heck, even in the original GG, it's said by Justice that Testament actually disrupted the unsealing ritual on a subconscious level so that when Justice broke free, she was much weaker than she was supposed to be.   So, Gears and creatures similar to Gears fighting off her mind control is an established thing in the lore.

In Overture,  Paradigm wasn't affected by Valentine's Gear Song while his friends were turned into puppets.  Youkai are also susceptible to it because of their structural similarities to Gears, but Izuna was able to resist it with no problems.   

As for plot importance, everyone had a part in the story.  Just because it didn't consist of scenes with everyone always kicking ass anytime  they were on screen doesn't mean they weren't important or didn't contribute in some fashion. 

As for Bedman escaping, there's absolutely nothing that Zepp had prepped that would've  prevented him from teleporting out of there, as we saw later. He even implied that he let himself get captured was only so he could terminate Ramlethal until he changed his mind, then teleported out of Zepp with no issues.  His bed frame also has nothing to do with his actual powers.  It works in conjunction with his abilities but it isn't the source of them.  he's said himself that he and his sister had these abilities since they were born.   Heck, if what sources about Revelator are true, Bedman's powers are so strong that he could overload and destroy his bedframe just from waking up.

Edited September 3, 2015 by Solhunter

[heavymetalmixer]

He probably fell from exhaustion after pulling off what looked like a Napalm Death while in Justice's stomach. :D

As stated about the Gears, some Gears and Youkai are immune to Justice's control due to willpower brought on by their evolved sentience.  Remember, Gears originally weren't programmed with a consciousness, which is part of why Justice could manipulate them. Gears capable of sentient thought are apparently much more difficult to control.  In Accent Core, Testament didn't react to the Justice Copy's Gear Resonance, whereas Dizzy, despite being a Command Type like her mother, was affected somewhat but wasn't put under its thrall. It just made Necro go berserk with her trying to calm him down. Sin fell into it with Valentine because Sol mentioned how he didn't train him to reinforce his mind against mental attacks yet.

Heck, even in the original GG, it's said by Justice that Testament actually disrupted the unsealing ritual on a subconscious level so that when Justice broke free, she was much weaker than she was supposed to be.   So, Gears and creatures similar to Gears fighting off her mind control is an established thing in the lore.

In Overture,  Paradigm wasn't affected by Valentine's Gear Song while his friends were turned into puppets.  Youkai are also susceptible to it because of their structural similarities to Gears, but Izuna was able to resist it with no problems.   

As for plot importance, everyone had a part in the story.  Just because it didn't consist of scenes with everyone always kicking ass anytime  they were on screen doesn't mean they weren't important or didn't contribute in some fashion. 

As for Bedman escaping, there's absolutely nothing that Zepp had prepped that would've  prevented him from teleporting out of there, as we saw later. He even implied that he let himself get captured was only so he could terminate Ramlethal until he changed his mind, then teleported out of Zepp with no issues.  His bed frame also has nothing to do with his actual powers.  It works in conjunction with his abilities but it isn't the source of them.  he's said himself that he and his sister had these abilities since they were born.   Heck, if what sources about Revelator are true, Bedman's powers are so strong that he could overload and destroy his bedframe just from waking up.

That Man says Bedman is "the same kind as him", any clue about that besides a "more-or-less equal" level of power?

[Solhunter]

That Man says Bedman is "the same kind as him", any clue about that besides a "more-or-less equal" level of power?

Hard to say anything about who or What Bedman is, or That Man for that matter other than the fact that they both have a powerful affinity to the Backyard and maybe equal knowledge about its workings. We still don't know anything about That Man, his magic or how he's even able to live comfortably in the Backyard for decades when even Youkai and Gears(even ones as powerful as Sol) can't stay there for too long without the threat of having their body and souls crushed into oblivion, even though he's supposedly still human.

We'll just have to hope Revelator answers some of those questions.

[Blade]

@Hakkai_Requiem : To add to what Solhunter stated (good work by the way @Solhunter), Justice was the only Sentient Gear "known to the public at large".  There were several actually:

--Sol Badguy (of course)
--Solaria (manufactured at Blackard/Plackard Company)
--Dizzy (people knew she was a Gear, but they didn't know she was sentient even though they put a bounty on her)
--Testament (though he was unable to fully deny Justice control)
--Dr. Paradigm/His Tribe (it took about 5 years' time for Paradigm to wake up, but as of 2180 he was able to function as a living being independently and was already researching the Backyard according to the timeline)
--Leopaldon (he/she/it is known for saving people lost in the Ice and Snow of Antarctica, so it has consideration for others)

Exceptions:
---Sheevus/Sebass (former human, though when he became a Gear he went insane, much like Gig and Testament upon conversion)
---Geena (she was a former cyber human from P.W.A.B. who fused with a Gear-based lab called the "mothership" and gained Gear-like powers, like being able to fuse with technology, from GGXtra Manga, Tyr used his powers and transmuted her)

Also, worth noting but the main reason Justice couldn't control the other Gears involved with the mission at Illyria in GGXrd was:

---She was originally only able to control Gears manufactured after her within the same "series" as she was in, which is to say the mass production series created AFTER her birth, though she did manage to control Youkai much later, that was coincidental as her ability to control her powers improved.  Her ability to control Gears was originally a fluke that even "That Man" had no explanation for (Which by the way, is why he asked Raven to gather Solaria's Resonance data in Lightning the Argent)..
---The O.P.U.S. Gear Soldiers were specifically designed to follow Justice' orders while simultaneously retaining a basic array of functions even when they aren't under her control... which is why they reverted back to normal and didn't stop functioning like Gears presumably would.  Here's my findings on Opus.
---Justice was still in the process of awakening, so her powers were limited to what Chronus could conjure up.  Chronus later says the fusion process was incomplete as well.
---Dizzy and Sol had already become self-aware of control attempts from other Command-Type Gears before (from the Justice Copy incident of Accent Core's events, based on Sol's warning to Dizzy), no doubt they might have told Sin and Paradigm to be careful as well (and I'm sure Ky was wary of it as well once it dawned on him).  Sin fell victim to the first Valentine's control in GG2, but he broke out of it after Sol beat some sense in to him.

Bedman's ability to teleport should explain away the idea that it doesn't matter if they try to lock him up, he can just go someplace else.

Also to anyone else: Do you have the Youtube video link of Jack-O's story?  I'd love to watch it.

[Solhunter]

@Hakkai_Requiem : To add to what Solhunter stated (good work by the way @Solhunter), Justice was the only Sentient Gear "known to the public at large".  There were several actually:

--Sol Badguy (of course)
--Solaria (manufactured at Blackard/Plackard Company)
--Dizzy (people knew she was a Gear, but they didn't know she was sentient even though they put a bounty on her)
--Testament (though he was unable to fully deny Justice control)
--Dr. Paradigm/His Tribe (it took about 5 years' time for Paradigm to wake up, but as of 2180 he was able to function as a living being independently and was already researching the Backyard according to the timeline)
--Leopaldon (he/she/it is known for saving people lost in the Ice and Snow of Antarctica, so it has consideration for others)

Exceptions:
---Sheevus/Sebass (former human, though when he became a Gear he went insane, much like Gig and Testament upon conversion)
---Geena (she was a former cyber human from P.W.A.B. who fused with a Gear-based lab called the "mothership" and gained Gear-like powers, like being able to fuse with technology, from GGXtra Manga, Tyr used his powers and transmuted her)

Also, worth noting but the main reason Justice couldn't control the other Gears involved with the mission at Illyria in GGXrd was:

---She was originally only able to control Gears manufactured after her within the same "series" as she was in, which is to say the mass production series created AFTER her birth, though she did manage to control Youkai much later, that was coincidental as her ability to control her powers improved.  Her ability to control Gears was originally a fluke that even "That Man" had no explanation for (Which by the way, is why he asked Raven to gather Solaria's Resonance data in Lightning the Argent)..
---The O.P.U.S. Gear Soldiers were specifically designed to follow Justice' orders while simultaneously retaining a basic array of functions even when they aren't under her control... which is why they reverted back to normal and didn't stop functioning like Gears presumably would.  Here's my findings on Opus.
---Justice was still in the process of awakening, so her powers were limited to what Chronus could conjure up.  Chronus later says the fusion process was incomplete as well.
---Dizzy and Sol had already become self-aware of control attempts from other Command-Type Gears before (from the Justice Copy incident of Accent Core's events, based on Sol's warning to Dizzy), no doubt they might have told Sin and Paradigm to be careful as well (and I'm sure Ky was wary of it as well once it dawned on him).  Sin fell victim to the first Valentine's control in GG2, but he broke out of it after Sol beat some sense in to him.

Bedman's ability to teleport should explain away the idea that it doesn't matter if they try to lock him up, he can just go someplace else.

Also to anyone else: Do you have the Youtube video link of Jack-O's story?  I'd love to watch it.

Just the opening intro, but here you go. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hf4IKx-iI8

[Blade]

Okay, here's my analysis of that video.

[heavymetalmixer]

With the TGS 2015 Revelator trailer up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC25n1VcI00), now I know some new stuff:

1) Bedman knows about certain "dangerous" women, probaly Jack-O'.

2) Axl is the only person than I-no cannot send back in time.

3) Someone told to Sol, info about "Aria".

Edited September 17, 2015 by heavymetalmixer