Guilty Gear Xrd Story Thread

[Viero]

Hi, I'm new here. Since the demo is out, any info about episode mode of every characters yet? Especially the full episode.

[spycho]

Quick question

In Rev arcade mode (episode mode), Sol seemed speculated (not fully know) that Justice is Aria

But as I recall in The Missing Link, Sol knew that Justice is Aria

Did Daisuke just kicked his own @ss? Or is there something a mist?

[Tsuki Garyuu]

Yeah, I still don't believe that. Sol does know that Aria is Justice and there are instances where he should have known that fact, but it's left vague so that we are the ones left speculating, not him. Justice's final words (AC+), him sparing Dizzy (would he have had any other reason besides "he was on his good day?"). What should have really sealed the deal was Sol's fight against Valentine (GG2) the whole time.

[kylehyde]

I can kind of believe that Sol perhaps was unaware that Justice was Aria. Her final words in Guilty Gear about how she wished the 3 of them could talk one last time could of just been giberish to Sol. He never once seemed concerned about who Justice was, he just did his thing and destroyed her without batting an eye. 

Given what we know now about how much Sol loved Aria, he would of at least been torn to have fought Justice. But we see non of that, so I think he really had no idea.

Also he could of just sparred Dizzy because of how innocent she was, even though he would never admit it, he does have a bit of humanity still within him.

 

[redsilversnake]

26 minutes ago, kylehyde said:

I can kind of believe that Sol perhaps was unaware that Justice was Aria. Her final words in Guilty Gear about how she wished the 3 of them could talk one last time could of just been giberish to Sol. He never once seemed concerned about who Justice was, he just did his thing and destroyed her without batting an eye. 

Given what we know now about how much Sol loved Aria, he would of at least been torn to have fought Justice. But we see non of that, so I think he really had no idea.

Her wording and Sol's reaction (which is hardly not batting an eye) indicate otherwise. And considering both that Missing Link has been retconned before and that Sign had its fair share of retcons, it's pretty hard to see this as anything but yet another one.

[kylehyde]

4 minutes ago, redsilversnake said:

Her wording and Sol's reaction (which is hardly not batting an eye) indicate otherwise. And considering both that Missing Link has been retconned before and that Sign had its fair share of retcons, it's pretty hard to see this as anything but yet another one.

I guess it's been a while since I've played it and quite likely remembered some of it wrongly.

[mycot]

Sol's winquotes against Justice are quite gentle (by Sol standards). I guess he can still say that even without knowing she's Aria (since her creation is kinda his fault) but the context would change a lot.

[kylehyde]

18 minutes ago, mycot said:

Sol's winquotes against Justice are quite gentle (by Sol standards). I guess he can still say that even without knowing she's Aria (since her creation is kinda his fault) but the context would change a lot.

Why is it Sol's fault that Justice was created? Just curious since you brought it up.

[mycot]

3 hours ago, kylehyde said:

Why is it Sol's fault that Justice was created? Just curious since you brought it up.

Just because he's one of the founders of the gear project, I didn't mean anything too deep with that statement.

[churchblue]

Any new info about Dizzy's unveiling yet?

[NeoStrayCat]

7 hours ago, churchblue said:

Any new info about Dizzy's unveiling yet?

Nope, but since the console release is forthcoming, hopefully someday soon.

[Blade]

I think based on the conversation with Raven that Sol had, he had no clue that Aria and Justice were even connected, he only knew the Valentines were linked to her somehow.  Raven spilling the beans, kinda got him madder.

The reason he was even remotely "gentle" with Justice is because he knew she was being used as a tool by the Conclave at the time of the Tournament (and was a victim of "That Man" prior to the Crusades, regardless of her origin).

When Sol first meets Jack-O', his head starts hurting again (so she's giving off some kind of resonance with him).

Sol even says (when fighting Jack-O'):

Sol: "(...There's no way she should be this strong.  No way....)" 

He's implying this is the same sensation he felt when he fought the First Valentine (and Ramlethal as well).

When Jack-O'Valentine reveals her true nature, she also talks about her nature as a Synthesis cultured from Aria's "Core Memory".  Raven also mentioned that in order for Jack-O' to fill the gap left behind by the "Consciousness fingerprint" left in Justice... Jack-O' needed to be as close to Aria's memories as possible.

GGXrd: Sign already revealed that Justice used a "Copy" of Aria as a base for her own soul.  So technically Jack-O' is a replica of that copy.

Raven says Gears inherit the consciousness of whatever their predecessor's soul was... implying it would have to be a close-as-possible match for Aria's Soul, even if the memories aren't exact.

But as we know, Gear conversions aren't always a stable process, and nothing is guaranteed... even Jack-O' is unstable.

That's about all I can tell you right now.

[Solhunter]

On 4/6/2016 at 2:03 PM, kylehyde said:

 

Also he could of just sparred Dizzy because of how innocent she was, even though he would never admit it, he does have a bit of humanity still within him.

 

Agreed.  His motivation to spare and later help Dizzy had nothing to do with Justice, at least not for the reasons most fans tend to think. Chronologically, he previously spared Solaria in Guilty Gear X: Lightning the Argent, who was a Command Type Gear created by Plackard Company, because her innocence also convinced him that she wasn't an actual threat. In GGX+'s story mode, his conversation with Dizzy convinced him that not all Gears desire their own deaths or seek the destruction of others. I mean, he didn't even go out of his way to kill Testament from GGX onwards(and Sol's AC+ Story Mode summary even indicates that the ending where they blew up a PWAB facility together happened), so Sol was likely already on his way to reconsidering his mindset about Gears.

And Justice's AC+ Story Mode didn't really retcon Missing Link.  We just get insight into what she did after she was unsealed before her inevitable confrontation with Sol.  And Sol's response to Justice's words is more ambiguous in the japanese version of Missing Link.   In the original Guilty Gear English translation, he refers to That Man as "their boss" , which lends to the possibility that he may have known that Justice was connected to Aria, but in the original dialogue, he says that he's "their creator" which lends more to the theory that his sympathy towards Justice comes from the fact  he thought she was a human being who was forcibly made into a Gear like himself.

[kylehyde]

May I just ask what is supposed to happen when Jack-O merges with Justice? If Elphelt merges then it's the end of the world, but what about Jack-O?

 

edit: ok so what I found out by watching, I believe it was Jack-o's episode, was that her purpose with merging with Justice basically makes the Universal Will (Ariels) unable to achieve her goal of an absolute world. I guess cause Jack-o is not her pawn so she can't make her do anything. 

[Tsuki Garyuu]

It will probably play a role in "completing" Justice rather than Ariels using the closest Valentine she can get her hands on to power Justice and control her. With the Gear being as powerful as she is, a teeny bit of self-consciousness could be beyond Ariels or Bedman's control. But then again, if that's really the case, Justice will be back to destroy the world all over again.

[churchblue]

So if Dizzy's marriage was official, her full name would be Dizzy Kisuke, right?

[Clousephinat]

1 hour ago, churchblue said:

So if Dizzy's marriage was official, her full name would be Dizzy Kisuke, right?

It's not, the reason why Ky became the King of Illyria in the first place was so that the Senate didn't expose to the public that her wife was a Gear.

[Vulcan422]

Looks like Arcsys is uploading the story mode themselves on their official YT channel to build Revelator hype. Dubbed.

[Tokkan]

It's also on Niconico in Japanese. Apparently it will be available until May 31st, after which it'll be taken down.

[Calamitus]

I hope Revelator story mode will be at least 10 hours long if they want to give each of the characters enough screen time or else poor Potemkin will commit suicide because he is less important in story than April or Linhua.

[mycot]

7 hours ago, Calamitus said:

I hope Revelator story mode will be at least 10 hours long if they want to give each of the characters enough screen time or else poor Potemkin will commit suicide because he is less important in story than April or Linhua.

 His Episode Mode implies he'll have something to do with Ky at least? Oh I hope so, Potemkin, my baby.

[Tsuki Garyuu]

9 hours ago, Calamitus said:

I hope Revelator story mode will be at least 10 hours long if they want to give each of the characters enough screen time or else poor Potemkin will commit suicide because he is less important in story than April or Linhua.

At least Axl is motivated to do something in Story Mode. Maybe...

[rayplay]

So I've heard that Xrd's library mentions something about Testament being dead or MIA, can someone elaborate that for me (I can't use my PS3 atm)?

[SolxBaiken]

He certainly isn't dead, Johnny's (or perhaps it was May's) Episode implies that he occasionally swings by from time-to-time (which I found shocking since Dizzy was on ice all this time, guess bad company is better than no company ). The library rarely mentions the current fates of any characters, and if it does, is intentionally vague to the point that it might not even be mentioned.

[kylehyde]

I know that the Valentines are connected to Aria, but I wonder if Jack-O is more so than the others. She says her heart beats faster when she is talking to Sol, making her say that the former "her" must've held him in high regard. But I wonder if Elphelt or Ramlethal have that sort of Aria connection to the past. Ramlethal probably not, since she hasn't hinted of anything Aria related, and Elphelt is pretty much her own person too, other than a few similar words and feelings that Aria used to have.

I'm wondering if Jack-O's true purpose is to serve as a vessel to bring Aria back. Kind of a long shot theory but That Man seems the type to do that sort of thing. If Jack-O merges with Justice we might get Aria back, is what I'm thinking.