[P4AU] News & Gameplay Discussion

[RWA Announcer]

Not sure how reliable these Arcadia Tier Lists are, or if this even applies to the new, current version of the game, (I would hope that it does) but here's a Tier List I found on Twitter.  Pretty surprised to see Sho above MINAZUKI honestly.  S+: Yu.  S: Aigis, Teddie, Yosuke, Shadow Labrys, Naoto, Sho.  A: Mitsuru, Kanji, MINAZUKI, Yukari, Chie, Yukiko, Akihiko.  B: Labrys, Junpei.  C: Elizabeth.

[FluxWaveZ]

Not sure how reliable these Arcadia Tier Lists are, or if this even applies to the new, current version of the game, (I would hope that it does)

I believe they are of version 1.02.

[RWA Announcer]

Yeah. The person who originally translated it told me that after I posted it. I'd say it's still pretty accurate, save for Yu and Liz being compressed into S and B, respectively. Doesn't seem like they changed enough overall to cause any decent movement. I would like to hear their reasoning of putting Sho above MINAZUKI though. Those Persona moves of his are just SO GOOD!

[AchedSphinx]

Yeah. The person who originally translated it told me that after I posted it. I'd say it's still pretty accurate, save for Yu and Liz being compressed into S and B, respectively. Doesn't seem like they changed enough overall to cause any decent movement. I would like to hear their reasoning of putting Sho above MINAZUKI though. Those Persona moves of his are just SO GOOD!

 

Well you never know. Slight changes can have drastic differences on certain match-ups. If Yu isn't as good as before, his good match-ups might change. Also, I think they buffed Labrys a bit, making her Axe start at green again, so that might help with her tempo. The Sho's probably aren't plus on 5A anymore, so their pressure isn't as solid. Slight things like these could shake up match-ups, but it won't be too crazy (I doubt we'll see Liz go from Liz tier to S+ tier).

 

Anyways, regarding that tier list, how does Liz go from being the almost worst character in P4U to being the worst character in P4U2? She's like the reverse Hazama/Valk. They're always S, well, you know the rest. I like to use Elizabeth in training mode because her combos are pretty cool, but tier lists discourage me from ever using her. Who knows, I might give her a go in P4U2, but I'm more interested in Yukari, Sho, and Rise right now. Time will tell!

[D.R.F.]

Not sure how reliable these Arcadia Tier Lists are, or if this even applies to the new, current version of the game, (I would hope that it does) but here's a Tier List I found on Twitter. Pretty surprised to see Sho above MINAZUKI honestly. S+: Yu. S: Aigis, Teddie, Yosuke, Shadow Labrys, Naoto, Sho. A: Mitsuru, Kanji, MINAZUKI, Yukari, Chie, Yukiko, Akihiko. B: Labrys, Junpei. C: Elizabeth.

That is a shit ton of people in s, shouldn't we just call it A+ tier or something?

[RurouniLoneWolf]

Ugh, why? You know, as much as I don't normally let tiers detract from the game, this does not make me a happy camper. Probably because this patch was ASW's chance to mix it up, not make it more of the same. Granted tier lists being what they are, people will obviously disagree on the placements, but this is the first one I've seen and all it does is reinstate the status quo: Yu gets to take a dump on everyone else's picnic and Lizzie is staring intently at a nearby puddle. Sheesh, could someone at ASW/ATLUS go and get Makoto rezz'd or something? Someone really ought to make sure sole tier occupants don't exist, either top or bottom.

 

Once again, this tier list is for 1.02, not 1.1. It's kind of impossible to have a good tier list for 1.1 since it's barely a week old. Not that I actually ever agreed that Narukami was definitively better than the characters in the tier right below him or that Liz was definitively worse than the characters in the tier above her. Well, maybe Junpei since I haven't been keep track of him.

[Elochai]

Anyways, regarding that tier list, how does Liz go from being the almost worst character in P4U to being the worst character in P4U2? She's like the reverse Hazama/Valk. They're always S, well, you know the rest. I like to use Elizabeth in training mode because her combos are pretty cool, but tier lists discourage me from ever using her. Who knows, I might give her a go in P4U2, but I'm more interested in Yukari, Sho, and Rise right now. Time will tell!

 

The supposition is that what Elizabeth lost outweighs what she gained; the changes to other characters also make them stronger than her. Like, for example, the loss of retardedly damaging combo routes (mostly through the loss of garudyne loops), 2B losing throw invul, 214B not comboing (making Liz spend 25 meter to combo after 2C), etc. Narukami on the other hand gets meaty 50/50s on knockdown, and has no problem doing damage. Narukami is the most morbid example, but I believe the argument is clear enough anyway.

[Luminos564]

Once again, this tier list is for 1.02, not 1.1. It's kind of impossible to have a good tier list for 1.1 since it's barely a week old. Not that I actually ever agreed that Narukami was definitively better than the characters in the tier right below him or that Liz was definitively worse than the characters in the tier above her. Well, maybe Junpei since I haven't been keep track of him.

 

Ah crap you're right. Teach me to read things early in the morning. I thought it was too soon for a new tier list already.

[RWA Announcer]

Elochai summed up Elizabeth's situation pretty perfectly AchedSphinx.  We think the buffs are nice, but compared to what others received, *CoughYuCough* they're not that great in overall comparison.  As for the jab situation with the Shos, from asking around both forums, both Sho and MINAZUKI pre-patch jabs were +1 on block, with 9 frames of startup and 9 frames of recovery, which enabled them to stagger them for ridiculous pressure, especially in the corner.  IIRC, they added more recovery to the jabs, so it would be in the double digits, they didn't reduce the frame advantage, so they're still both +1 like Chie is.  And while I haven't seen much of Sho, it MINAZUKI doesn't appear to be impacted by it in the slightest when it comes to combos, because he's still doing the same ones I've always seen him doing for months now.  I merely suggested Yu and Liz be compressed for 1.10, because while she's likely still the worst in the game, Liz's buffs have made her look semi-playable now, and while Yu is still the best in the game, because even without his Oki game he still has EVERYTHING, I believe he was the only one in the patch to get all nerfs, so he can leave his Kings Throne and go sit with the rest of the S Tier.

[Diveman]

The thing with elizabeth is, because her combo and damage potential is so freaking high, you can't really give her a good/not gimmicky playstyle because she'll be too OP. So it's either keep her like that or redesign the way she works (which I'm sure Mori can't be assed to do anwyays)

[Poultrygeist]

Mori doesn't have anything to do with this series.  Really they need to just scrap Elizabeth as she is and remake her.

[Strife]

Mori doesn't have anything to do with this series.  Really they need to just scrap Elizabeth as she is and remake her.

 

He kinda does.

 

And about Elizabeth, we'll see how things turn out. Damosu is doing a pretty good job with her lately and there's definitely room for improvement since the patch was released not too long ago.

[Bloo561]

The thing about Elizabeth is since her combo potential is so high its hard to reasonably balance to make everybody happy. There are players that are doing well with the character from what I seen, so I agree with strife to just wait and see, but hey what do I know.

[AchedSphinx]

Has this always been in the game? I was searching through the wiki and the patch notes and didn't find anything on it. S.Lab's gold burst also recovers all her persona cards.

[Akiro]

Imo, they need to scrap those lame Instant Death supers Liz has and give her one actual super that she can use outside of her command grab and heal. She'd probably be fine then.

 

Has this always been in the game? I was searching through the wiki and the patch notes and didn't find anything on it. S.Lab's gold burst also recovers all her persona cards.

 

 

I haven't actually noticed this before, but I have a feeling that its always been there.

[Luminos564]

Has this always been in the game? I was searching through the wiki and the patch notes and didn't find anything on it. S.Lab's gold burst also recovers all her persona cards.

 

Huh, that's certainly news to me. I guess nobody tried to Gold Burst when their Persona Cards were missing to figure it out. I don't recall seeing this anywhere until now. Good find.

 

Imo, they need to scrap those lame Instant Death supers Liz has and give her one actual super that she can use outside of her command grab and heal. She'd probably be fine then.

 

Liz's problems do not go away with the addition of functional supers (though they'd certainly help). But ASW has never been one to scrap what they've already made in order to fix it so the best you can hope for is that they make Mahamaon and Mamudoon not disappear when Lizzie blocks.

[Justice7541]

Well you never know. Slight changes can have drastic differences on certain match-ups. If Yu isn't as good as before, his good match-ups might change. Also, I think they buffed Labrys a bit, making her Axe start at green again, so that might help with her tempo. The Sho's probably aren't plus on 5A anymore, so their pressure isn't as solid. Slight things like these could shake up match-ups, but it won't be too crazy (I doubt we'll see Liz go from Liz tier to S+ tier).

Anyways, regarding that tier list, how does Liz go from being the almost worst character in P4U to being the worst character in P4U2? She's like the reverse Hazama/Valk. They're always S, well, you know the rest. I like to use Elizabeth in training mode because her combos are pretty cool, but tier lists discourage me from ever using her. Who knows, I might give her a go in P4U2, but I'm more interested in Yukari, Sho, and Rise right now. Time will tell!

Hazama's only been top in one game, it's just that his design makes it hard for him to be strictly bad. Zoning/rushdown combination character with high damage can't really go wrong even if you try to balance it with other downsides.

[Strife]

New Golden Arena gameplay with Yukiko. Now in Ultimate mode. :3

[Bloo561]

Has this always been in the game? I was searching through the wiki and the patch notes and didn't find anything on it. S.Lab's gold burst also recovers all her persona cards.

Yeah I never seen that happen before. Good eyes!

[Luminos564]

New Golden Arena gameplay with Yukiko. Now in Ultimate mode. :3

 

Haha oh wow the amount of crazy that just keeps filling the screen is ridiculous (in a good way). Golden Arena Mode looks like it's going to be a great way to kill time; building up your favorite character and then making them the most overpowered thing this side of Philemon.

[Strife]

Let's not get carried away guys. Being really good and being top tier are still two different things. For example, Mitsuru is considered A tier in P4U2. She's not "top tier" but we all know what Mitsuru can do and how she can win against most of the cast.

 

Anyway, I started playing BB on CP so I don't know if the info is true. Even if it isn't, posting pictures and gifs about it is unnecessary.

Edited May 6, 2014 by Strife

[Tokkan]

New Golden Arena gameplay with Yukiko. Now in Ultimate mode. :3

Ultimate has infinite floors (the counter stops at 99999, though)... probably has way more than one Golden Elizabeth. Probably also has quite a few other Golden characters as well.

[RurouniLoneWolf]

Wow, that golden arena gameplay was godlike. I'm pretty impressed with the skills Yukiko can get from that mode. The CPU Labrys seemed to have permanent red axe. My dreams of playing a perma red axe Labrys in this mode are starting to feel realistic ^,^

[Tokkan]

I found out by looking through the .css file for the official website that the 3 remaining unopened sections there are "System", "Guide" and "Download Contents". Is that info that people would consider useful?

[FluxWaveZ]

I found out by looking through the .css file for the official website that the 3 remaining unopened sections there are "System", "Guide" and "Download Contents". Is that info that people would consider useful?

 

I find it interesting, in any case. Thanks. They all make sense, though it might be a bit odd that "Download Contents" would warrant its own section if it actually means DLC, unless there's going to be more than just that extra scenario.