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Luminos564

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They must be thinking up something really complicated for her, or doing some huge balancing because I'm sure Elizabeth is going to be stronger than how she is now. Hopefully...... I don't want to get constantly whipped by a Mitsuru again.

Arc why do you hate Liz so much? I hope at the very least she gets fixed before this game goes live.

Oh no need to worry. It's not like ASW would allow for another CS1 Rachel or CSE Makoto to happen again right :v:? Well alright, those are just two very extreme examples and it's not like Lizzie was top tier in P4A (whereas Rachel and Makoto were for a time), so she has nowhere to go but up.

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Sourenga
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Seems like they once again only list the buffs... Can't wait what kind of nerfs JP players will find tomorrow...  Anyways, here's the system stuff translated... Character specifics are coming soon... 

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Anne
Anne

Can we talk about how Minazuki has a 5a that cancels into itself that's massive and he has moves that move him forward in pressure safely that make it impossible to escape while shitting on your optio

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Yaya

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Stunedge very clearly stated in his post that Wiping All Out plays for mirror matches between P3 female characters. Liz's theme is most likely still Battle for Everyone's Souls.

EDIT: Also, I'm not going to jump the gun and say RIP Elizabeth in P4U2. In loketests for previous games, the characters that have seemed really weak during loketesting have ended up being strong. (ex: Litchi in CS, Noel in CS2)

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RifleAvenger

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I'm really dissapointed about the whole Liz situation. Having an utter shit character does nothing for a loktest, because the only thing you can get out of that is "change something, anything, to make this character better." I can't fathom why they would do this, unless they just got stuck in the middle of some kind of complete overhaul of the character, which worries me anyways.

Would of been even cooler if she had a Shadow mode.

I don't think shadow mode fits Liz. I'd much rather see a separate character who is shadow mode only as a counterpart to Liz.

Starlight777

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Stunedge very clearly stated in his post that Wiping All Out plays for mirror matches between P3 female characters. Liz's theme is most likely still Battle for Everyone's Souls.

Oh thank merciful heavens if true lol. But still boo at nerfing a character who has no reason to be nerfed. I do not want to see a repeat of CS1 Rachel.

Luminos564

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Stunedge very clearly stated in his post that Wiping All Out plays for mirror matches between P3 female characters. Liz's theme is most likely still Battle for Everyone's Souls.

Whew. Well that's a plus then.

Having an utter shit character does nothing for a loktest, because the only thing you can get out of that is "change something, anything, to make this character better." I can't fathom why they would do this, unless they just got stuck in the middle of some kind of complete overhaul of the character, which worries me anyways.

It probably has more to do with them getting to the very core mechanics behind their gameplay. But because she's so gimmicky, they have to strip her of pretty much everything before they figure something out. You don't go after a very complicated equation and try to solve it all in one step. You break it down into smaller parts and work through it. Loketest 1 was their first piece. This is the second. There might be a 3rd before we see the end result.

Omex

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Don't worry too much about liz, there's a lot of things people needed to wait until day 2 to find, and there ARE new combo routes/new tools for liz to use, so they didn't just literally make everything worse and call it a day. As for her awakening moves, 99% chance they're being changed back to being stronger than normal version, as otherwise... yeah. There are a buttload of interesting changes that aren't nerfs listed in the google document posted here/in the news thread already, like D garu being + on block, 5C always floating on hit, 5BBBB being her old autocombo on top of 5AAAA being a new autocombo... there's definitely no need to worry, especially since this is just a loketest.

Luminos564

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5BBBB being her old autocombo on top of 5AAAA being a new autocombo... there's definitely no need to worry, especially since this is just a loketest.

I like the idea of Lizzie having 2 autocombo routes. It makes her stand out/seem special when compared to everyone else. I kinda hope ASW lets her keep that. And yeah, I'm not too worried about the current changes. It's just a loketest. Come loketest 3 and the final product, then it will be a time to either go "Hoorah" or "ZOMG NO :vbang:".

NeoStrayCat

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I've heard she's still as separate characters and not together as one, same with Liz (which does not have a S.F. afaik), I guess.

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FluxWaveZ

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I've heard she's still as separate characters and not together as one, same with Liz (which does not have a S.F. afaik), I guess.

Wrong. It was stated during the first loketest and reiterated in this one as well through the Google doc. that there are three Labrys characters:

- OG Labrys

- Shadow OG Labrys

- Shadow Labrys

NeoStrayCat

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Alright Flux, I know when I'm not right, but that's what I thought back then when the 1st LT stuff came about. >_>

Luminos564

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Wrong. It was stated during the first loketest and reiterated in this one as well through the Google doc. that there are three Labrys characters:

- OG Labrys

- Shadow OG Labrys

- Shadow Labrys

So we basically get Labrys in 3 different flavors? That's a bit odd if you ask me. Nothing against Labrys or anything but it sort of feels out of place for her to have 2 different shadow versions. Then again, I guess it would be even sillier for Shadow Labrys to get the 20% damage reduction when she is very much different from her parent character.

FluxWaveZ

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So we basically get Labrys in 3 different flavors? That's a bit odd if you ask me. Nothing against Labrys or anything but it sort of feels out of place for her to have 2 different shadow versions. Then again, I guess it would be even sillier for Shadow Labrys to get the 20% damage reduction when she is very much different from her parent character.

I think the fact that there are 2 different Shadow Labrys characters is mostly just because it's completely tied to the plot.

Omex

Omex

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for anyone who hasn't noticed, i suggest you check the separate news thread. discussion stays here.

visible: teddie, yosuke, shadow kanji, shadow naoto, elizabeth, shadow labrys, narukami, shadow chie, mitsuru, yukari (with shower entrance) iirc.

includes SB setsuna + new mitsuru dial A

Dazardz

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I can clearly see Kanji's victory pose. ... Scary :?:

Does anybody think Sho might be playable in the next loketest?

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LegendaryRath

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SHARDZ, THANK YOU SO FREAKING MUCH. YOU'RE THE MAN, MAN.

*cough* do you mind if I just straight up copy/past the bulk of your post in the Mitsuru forums? This is by far the best set of information we've received so far.

Omex

Omex

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will be doing my best to fix the mitsuru notes today-ish based on how the online tourney today goes, it's the section i spent the least time on since I don't know some of the terms they're using in her combo notes and I figured LK would sit down and plow through it at some point, but it never happened. definitely a bunch of outdated info on there, sorry guys!

ShardZ

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NP, feel free to do whatever you want with the info guys. I guess some kinda credit would be nice, that's about it. :)

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