BlackYakuzu94 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I guess tou guys do have a point there about kune being worse than mu. I guess im just a bit annoyed by the fact that you are either terrible or extreamly pro/scrubbish to get away with hardcore mashing. And to me, all the terrible players with kune are extinct. Moral of the story: kunes>henjin. How do you find ppl offline? I feel like im the only person who plays BB/p4a for the next 40miles. I use to play against psyburgandy... dont kno what happened there. Well it might help to check the locals thread and see what's closest to you.
Seijuuro32 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I guess tou guys do have a point there about kune being worse than mu. I guess im just a bit annoyed by the fact that you are either terrible or extreamly pro/scrubbish to get away with hardcore mashing. And to me, all the terrible players with kune are extinct. Moral of the story: kunes>henjin. How do you find ppl offline? I feel like im the only person who plays BB/p4a for the next 40miles. I use to play against psyburgandy... dont kno what happened there. I just happened to have met a friend who is into anime games in uni and playing blazblue often as well. Another friend got into this game because of us lol. play Rachel. We get hate mail like a desert gets water. I think I've gotten about 3 so far, and this is dating all the way back to ct. So few that I still remember the contents of each one. My bones being broken and discarded in the trash by green jeans, the threat of several slaps by a certain rampage chuck, and some guy named puppet trainee telling me to get better even after he lost. :p I wish I can play Rachel now >. < I'm terrible with her. I personally find her really difficult to learn. I can't seem to wrap my head around her playstyle. Lol XD the hatemail you got from rampage chuck is funny XD I got one similar to puppet trainee after he/she lost. Mine told me off that I am a scrub who only knew how to mash and I should learn properly. Then we had a psn mail argument match after I called him a sore loser lol
Speakeasy Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Getting Jin's stage in ranked netplay makes me want to lie down and count to ten.
StylisH Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Rachel is arguably the most difficult character to learn/play. Some will say Carl, but IMO I believe it to be Rachel.
Heiwa Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I never got hatemail playing this game.interesting.It seems certain characters get a lot more hate.
LaowPing Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Rachel is arguably the most difficult character to learn/play. Some will say Carl, but IMO I believe it to be Rachel. Um... Hazama? Sent from my ZTE-X500 using Tapatalk 2
Henjin Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Um... Hazama? Sent from my ZTE-X500 using Tapatalk 2 Took me a few hours....
BlackYakuzu94 Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Um... Hazama? Sent from my ZTE-X500 using Tapatalk 2 You throw out chains and mash C occasionally. Not that hard :V I never got hatemail playing this game.interesting.It seems certain characters get a lot more hate. Noel, Ragna are the general contenders.
Dark Ranger88 Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Mashing kunes and grapplers. You must HATE Argent Zero then.
Argent Zero Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 You must HATE Argent Zero then. Some one called?
LaowPing Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 You throw out chains and mash C occasionally. Not that hard :V Noel, Ragna are the general contenders. Throwing out chains gets you punished like a mofo if you fight someone good. It's when to use the chains and how to use then that takes time. Especially when creativity goes so far with hazama. Lack of midrange is also a big deal but maybe that's just me. Sent from my ZTE-X500 using Tapatalk 2
TD Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Hazama chains are a mixup within itself... Guy has what I believe still, best movement in the game, plus top class zoning. And he really isn't that hard. But you do need to learn some things with him. At this present time I think Rachel is extremely unforgiving once she drops the ball or if she never gets it in the first place. Her defense always sucked though and is made up with excellent pressure both near and far away from the foe. I don't thinks she's too execution heavy or anything. Her being hard comes from always needing to make the optimal decision under pressure. One wrong decision could cost her a round against anyone. Carl is hard... Execution heavy, but his gameplan doesn't really change. Catch them with an attack and capitalize on it. Planning is a thing, but his oki is strong anywhere and has been stabilized enough so that it is fairly simple to do. She and Carl definitely fit the bill for some of the hardest, but for different reasons Imo... Who else though? Litchi? Amane? Kune? Everyone else feels natural or at least needing a bit of lag time to get going. Not a lot of intensive study characters unlike gg where you have to spend a few hours learning different variations of the same combo just to hit everyone in the cast with it.
someonewhodied Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Valk and izayoi have my vote for hardest in high level play. Carl and Rachel for the level between mid and high. With valk and izayoi you have to actually always be reacting to what your opponent does, even on their wakeup, with no setplay to help you. Sure you have to somewhat react with carl and rachel, but you have SOME form of projectile oki tools or late-hitting projectiles to help.
Nemesis Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Valk and izayoi have my vote for hardest in high level play. you mean because it breaks your fingers to play them at said high lvl
someonewhodied Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 well obviously. Anyone can mentally handle the concepts of any character. But the problem is execution. Not everyone can play those characters because of how taxing or strict (depending on character) some are.
TD Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Valk I can agree with for many reasons of being difficult, at least for this game. Izayoi though, I'm not so sure. No matter where she is or what she is doing she shouldn't be at a loss for options anymore. Her combos have gotten... Not easy, but every yoi I see are doing the same exact combos in exert situation, normal or GA. She just seems to not have as much trouble as she used to. As for their oki, I would say that is the trade-off, not having great defensive oki for the exchange of some of the best okis in the game besides the mentioned two, kokonoe, litchi... Foes are still forced to stand if the valk or yoi are punishing techs correctly. Valk needs to yomi against dps, but izayoi has a -few- decent options for baiting them. Both are not hurting in damage, either. Anyway i do think valk is difficult to grasp execution and plan wise, whereas izayoi has gotten a bit easier, but I would still put her at intermediate level of execution. Her plan is sort of like Carl too, hit them with certain specials, switch modo, mix them up, with a few variations.
Nemesis Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 stuff Having attempted Izayoi higher level play I can attest that it is very hard on your hands given the ridiculous input speed required to pull off much of her best stuff. Usually hand cramps tend to not be so common when you become more proficient with whichever particular maneuver but with Izayoi It really doesnt. I mean have you tried to master her gain art micro dashing and couple that with endless 214s and 236s as fast as fucking possible? That shit hurts to do after awhile... Besides Ive not seen one highly competent netplay Izayoi that had even manages double phorizors(1.1 or greater) aside from myself, much less her high execution stuff... Perhaps the "inputs" themselves may not appear to be so demanding but they are very taxing on your hands/wrist after even a short while
TD Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I play her, so yes, I have tried most of her stuff. The extremities, such as double Phorizer combos aren't entirely necessary to be good with her, and neither are the micro dashes. The fact that you don't see it at all further proves this point (hell, I don't even see highly competent jp players trying these things in games in either version). You can do the easier combos and be ok, you don't need to be stylish, your hands hurting is the price you pay for wanting to look different, and I respect that, but it shouldn't come into play when we are talking about consistency. When double Phorizer and micro dash become part of her bnb's, I will hands down agree with that. But in this way we would have to include everyone's hard stuff and then it would be "who has the harder stuff" as opposed to "who is harder to play", get what I mean? Again, I don't think she is particularly easy in any sense of the word. Her normal mode combos did take some getting used to, but she definitely is not difficult even if she does the optimal combos, not involving the forementioned.
Nemesis Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I guess you dont read... swd and I were agreeing about execution requirements for high,that is, well above average play, or expert play. And how iza and valk are very taxing comparative to the rest of the cast due to the speed and demanding timing of their inputs required for expert play... not about bnbs or just what it takes to be "good" with a char. not about how many ppl use the ez combo and are fine or how many jp players dont and not about looking stylish and not about if a char has oki or w/e tools (and btw being "different" is how you seperate yourself and surprise players of any given skill thus - higher lvl play)... sigh...
StylisH Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 ......I can't believe Hazama was brought up as being in the discussion of technically difficult characters
Airk Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Yeah, I can't see any character in this game being THAT hard on anything beyond a purely execution level. Yes, some of them take some time to wrap your head around (Rachel, Valk, Izayaoi, Carl, Tao, maybe Hazama?) but once you get over that, the only real difference is "how hard is it to execute this character's stuff". I'm not saying that's the only thing it takes to be really good with these characters, but I'm saying it's the only thing it takes to be really good with these characters as opposed to other characters. Top be a top tier contender you need have awesome defense and fundamentals and pattern identification skills, but you'll need those REGARDLESS of what character you pick.)
StylisH Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 It all comes down to preference in the end IMO. Izayoi, Tao, and Valk aren't really difficult to me, but that's because I click with those characters. Rachel and Carl I can play, but it would be a pain because I'm just not comfortable with them. Opinions will vary the results, but some characters will definitely not make the cut (looking at you, Hazama)
Airk Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 ......I can't believe Hazama was brought up as being in the discussion of technically difficult characters I think people are confusing "high potential" with "difficult"
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