[CP] Kokonoe - Gameplay Discussion (Discuss Videos/Combos/Questions/etc.)

[1010111101]

Hi guys i just recently started playing kokonoe and i need some advice. I have the most trouble against rush down characters like ragna, jin, makoto, bullet. How should I approach these matchups? I can't seem to keep them away too well. Any help would be appreciated :D

[Emuchu]

Hi guys i just recently started playing kokonoe and i need some advice. I have the most trouble against rush down characters like ragna, jin, makoto, bullet. How should I approach these matchups? I can't seem to keep them away too well. Any help would be appreciated :D

 

I haven't been at Kokonoe all that long (just picked up the game around when the patch came out), so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I think she's a bit of a "momentum character." In neutral situations, her approach options are either short-ranged or on the slow side, so you're going to lose to the rush characters if you engage them directly (i.e. Ragna 5B/6A). Worse is that she has no reversal options besides her fireball distortion, so if someone gets on top of Kokonoe, she has difficulty getting away and fighting back. Koko has good mobility and lots of toys, though, so you want to create space by airdashing and either set up traps to obstruct your opponent's forward progress or use the range of her 5C and 3C to poke. If you have the time, 22B and aerial j.214X are good for controlling the momentum of your opponent. You can sit behind a 22B and wait to see how they try to get around it, or you can steer j.214X with a graviton to force them into a lengthy block-stun, and then teleport over to begin pressure. I also save her Bursts, as I still haven't figured out anything useful to do with her Overdrive, and Koko needs all the defensive options she can get.

 

Where Kokonoe really shines is in her ability to turn the fight into a 1-player game a la Marvel and Skullgirls. If you ever score a hit, I recommend always trading in optimal damage for knockdown and oki setups. Kokonoe can force her opponent to constantly wake up into traps and is very good at shutting out both rolls and reversal options, especially in the corner. This forces your opponent to have to actually block Koko's wakeup mixups rather than relying on reversals, which is really difficult for a lot of players. It's thus easy to earn respect from your opponents once you have a bit of momentum going, since they fear getting punished for reversals and rolls (and not pressing anything, actually), so Kokonoe very often gets away with doing lots of unsafe stuff like 3C knockdown into double traps or obvious dash-in meaty 6B and other goofy stuff like that which would normally get Inferno Divider'd instantly if it were anyone else.

 

Currently, I think of her like CSII Hazama (I skipped EX, and I haven't played enough Haz in CP to know if his game is still the same):

1. Run away

2. Poke and shenaniganize from a mile away

2. Be a jerk and cause frustration and mistakes

4. Score a single hit or force blockstun, and move in

5. Confound with unrelenting lockdown pressure

6. End every combo with knockdown into traps into more number 5.

7. Flee at the first sign of trouble

8. Whenever you get into trouble, Serpent's Infernal RAPTURE (or in Koko's case: "Boom.") (PS: Sorry for being American, Haz players)

 

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can come along and share their knowledge, because most of the stuff here is about combos and oki and not so much about playing Kokonoe's neutral and disadvantage games.

[Iron Savior]

Hi guys i just recently started playing kokonoe and i need some advice. I have the most trouble against rush down characters like ragna, jin, makoto, bullet. How should I approach these matchups? I can't seem to keep them away too well. Any help would be appreciated :D

Remember you can use xd +236d to mess with your opponent, 236d sends the opponent flying in the opposite direction that the gravitron was attracting them, so you can do stuff like 5d>236d if you want some space, 6d>236d if you want them in your face

 

If you have a 22b placed, you can use 236d to launch people into it, it's really funny and it does decent damage if you combo

 

Fireballs help too, a lot of people run into them if you do fireball>5d, if they recognize you want them to run at you and stay still, you can launch it in their direction with 6d

 

5c is an excellent poke, it has amazing range and it does huge damage on CH, 3c is excellent as well, but i think it's more unsafe than 5c since it pulls your opponent towards you, i've gotten hit out of my backdash by Ragna's 5c after it, so i suggest using it sparingly

 

One thing that helps in these matchups is knowing when to teleport, i don't know how punishable it is, but against Ragna and Jin, i've teleported out of a lot of their stuff and i haven't gotten punished for it yet

If you think Ragna is gonna do a special, you can usually teleport out and be safe, only tricky thing about this is the timing, i've gotten hit by gauntlet hades a lot because i mistimed the teleport, and as far as i'm concerned, you can teleport out of his blood scythe on reaction

If you knock down a Ragna with 3c, if you teleport as soon as you gain control, his DP will miss completely, so he won't be able to rc it

Edit:If you knock down a Ragna with 3c AND place a lightning trap, i'm sure you can do it without one, but why not drop one?, and i've yet to test it with fireballs

 

About Jin, i have teleported out of a lot of his air crossup mixups and 6c, and i don't recall having been punished for it

 

I don't know much about Makoto, but you can teleport out of her overhead with good timing, i know even less about Bullet, so i can't say much about her

[1010111101]

Thanks for the tips so far guys, i have another question: What is a 6b combo that works on the whole cast? (thats not the basic 6b>5c>3c>236A)

[Zouf]

6B > 5C > 2C > 5D > 236D > 6[A] > stuff

[Rhythmic]

6B > 5C > 2C > 5D > 236D > 6[A] > stuff

 

That's not universal. Doesn't work on Jin.

 

You're better off just learning the optimal 6B combo + one for Jin (optimal 6B combo also works on Noel and but you need to do 2b instead of 5b) rather than learning one unoptimal universal combo.

 

If you really want one, universal would be either 6B 5C 2C 5D 236D dash 5B 5C 3C 236A or 6B 5C 2C 5D 236D dash 6C jB(2) jC j6D j236D 236B (dash 6C is hard on Jin).

[Hintalove]

There is also that corner carry combo off 6b. 6b 5c 2c 4d 5b 236a 5c iad ect

[Emuchu]

That's not universal. Doesn't work on Jin.

 

You're better off just learning the optimal 6B combo + one for Jin (optimal 6B combo also works on Noel and but you need to do 2b instead of 5b) rather than learning one unoptimal universal combo.

 

If you really want one, universal would be either 6B 5C 2C 5D 236D dash 5B 5C 3C 236A or 6B 5C 2C 5D 236D dash 6C jB(2) jC j6D j236D 236B (dash 6C is hard on Jin).

 

I have to agree with Rhythmic. Those two combos work on everyone including Jin, unlike the 6B > 5C > 2C > 5D > 2/5B stuff. Hintalove's combo won't work on Noel or Jin, either. Question for Rhythmic: What's the optimal combo for everyone + Noel? After the 6[A], the 22B, 5A whiffs for me and I have to go for j.5B(2) > jc > j.5B(2) > j.5C etc., instead.

[Rhythmic]

I don't like the 5D combos, I'm not sure if they're more optimal but they have a lot of character specific stuff and I see Tsujikawa/Matoi/Tetsuwo doing the 4D ones.

 

As far as I know, the most optimal midscreen 6B combo is

6B 5C 2C 4D 5B (6A 5B) 5C 236A dash 5C 6C j9D j236D dash 6B 236B for everyone not Jin, replace the first 5B after 4D with 2B against Noel.

 

If you don't want to use two gravitons, or just want a slightly easier one,

6B 5C 4D 5B (6A 5B) 5C 236A dash 5B 5C 236B, replace the first 5B after 4D with 2B against Noel.

 

In both cases the 6A 5B part doesn't connect on Noel, but they're not required against other characters so you can just omit them altogether if you really want to just learn one combo. In the second combo however, if you carry to corner and don't do the 6A 5B, you can't get proper oki sometimes because the graviton is still out and causes the opponent to fly up after the 236B so you can't get 5C 22B off.

 

On another note, does anyone have a full list of characters who can escape the corner 1.1 black hole setups? I'll test them out myself if I have to but it's a real bitch to try every character one by one so I figured I'd ask here first.

[Emuchu]

I don't like the 5D combos, I'm not sure if they're more optimal but they have a lot of character specific stuff and I see Tsujikawa/Matoi/Tetsuwo doing the 4D ones.

 

As far as I know, the most optimal midscreen 6B combo is

6B 5C 2C 4D 5B (6A 5B) 5C 236A dash 5C 6C j9D j236D dash 6B 236B for everyone not Jin, replace the first 5B after 4D with 2B against Noel.

 

If you don't want to use two gravitons, or just want a slightly easier one,

6B 5C 4D 5B (6A 5B) 5C 236A dash 5B 5C 236B, replace the first 5B after 4D with 2B against Noel.

 

In both cases the 6A 5B part doesn't connect on Noel, but they're not required against other characters so you can just omit them altogether if you really want to just learn one combo. In the second combo however, if you carry to corner and don't do the 6A 5B, you can't get proper oki sometimes because the graviton is still out and causes the opponent to fly up after the 236B so you can't get 5C 22B off.

 

On another note, does anyone have a full list of characters who can escape the corner 1.1 black hole setups? I'll test them out myself if I have to but it's a real bitch to try every character one by one so I figured I'd ask here first.

 

I took these combos to the lab, and here are my findings:

 

Midscreen:

 

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 5D, 5B > 5C > 236D, 6[A] > 22B, 5A > 5B > 6C > jc > j.5C > j.6D > j.236D |> 236B (3107/22%)

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 4D, 5B > 6A > 5B > 5C > 236A, 665C > 6C > j.9D > j.236D |> 66B > 236B (3103/22%)

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 4D, 5B > 6A > 5B > 5C > 236A, 665B > 5C > 236B (2884/20%)

 

So in their fully extended, non-Noel forms, the 5D version beats the 4D version by... 4 points of damage. I will say, though, that I find the 665C > 6C part to be really damned tricky to pull off--I was practicing on Izayoi, and you need to get the dash-5C just right so that Kokonoe's head is right under your opponent's butt, but before they tech out, which means holding the dash for a smidge. Anyhoo, just for fun, here are the Noel variations:

 

Midscreen:

 

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 5D, 2B(1) > 5C > 236D, 6[A] > jc > j.5B(2) > jc > j.5B(2) > j.5C > j.6D > j.236D |> 236B (2889/20%)

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 4D, 2B(1) > 5C > 236A, 665C > 6C > j.9D > j.236D |> 6B > 236B (2995/21%)

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 4D, 2B(1) > 5C > 236A, 665B > 5C > 236B (2728/19%)

 

The 4D combo here wins by a bit, but I think I'll stick to my 5D combos for now.

[Rhythmic]

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 5D, 5B > 5C > 236D, 6[A] > 22B, 5A > 5B > 6C > jc > j.5C > j.6D > j.236D |> 236B (3107/22%)

 

Here are all the reasons I can think of for why I hate doing 5D combos,

1) That damage is actually not the same on every character. On character with smaller hitboxes, you only get one hit of the lightning after the 6[A] 22B, lowering the overall damage to around 2.8k. Off the top of my head, this happens against Kokonoe, not sure about the rest of the cast.

2) You don't get any kind of knockdown from the B bunker. You can even air tech after it.

3) If you realize the combo is going to kill with meter when you're already started, you can only do it around the 6[A] part, making the damage much lower than if you did the 4D combo.

 

 

I think that's about it.

[E3vE3 WAZ HEA]

Something i've been doing is

 

6b(2) 5c 2c 4/8d 5b a bunker 6c j.d activate 6[a] 22b 5a 5a (22b hits) 6b(2) b bunker

 

i could never get the dash 5c after a bunker @_@ so i reworked the combo. has this already been done???

[Loli Bacon]

Has it been mentioned in here the random recovery on OD Blackhole now?

[Rhythmic]

For the people who don't keep up with streams or Matoi videos, there's a new corner oki. Well, two, really, but they're off the same ender and kind of do the same thing.

 

Off 236B>5C, instead of doing 22B>214A, you do 236B>5C>6D>6B(1)>22B>2A or 236B>5C>6D>6[A]>2147A (TK fireball)>22B.

 

However... 6B(1) and 6[A] don't connect on long combos and it's hard to tell exactly when it should work and when it shouldn't off pure instinct, you pretty much need to try all your combos (or modify them). Example corner 6B combo that goes into this oki (does slightly less damage than the normal one):

6B>5C>2C>5D>5B>236D>6C>falling jB(2)>jC>jD>6B(2)>236B>5C>6D>ender of your choice. Character specific, same rules as the midscreen 6B combos apply to this combo (i.e. doesn't work on Jin).

(falling jB so you should be close to the ground for the following jC. The jD should not be coming out, it's just to cancel the animation of jC so you can land faster and go into the 6B(2))

 

Matoi seems to be mostly going for the 6B(1) version, but does the TK fireball sometimes. I'm not too sure how you decide which one to do, the 6B(1) seems better in every scenario to me, maybe it's just to confuse people who don't know the setups or something?

 

6B(1)>22B ender:

You 2a immediately to catch rolls. Not sure what the best combo that loops into this setup is. I do 2A>5A>236D>6B(2)>236B, it's bad damage but I haven't found anything else yet.

THEN, 22C for instant crossup, or don't, or j2C. Off the crossup, you do 236D>dash under>5C>2C>236B>5C>6D>ender (this does around 3.2k). You can also replace the dash under with a 22C to bait bursts. Non crossup it's the same combo without the dash under.

 

This crosses up DP inputs, beats rolls, beats mashing, is super ambiguous. Characters with a DP can OS it, however. For example, Ragna can do 421A+B+C, which DPs if you cross up and crouch barrier blocks if you don't (loses to j2C still). Really, really, really good against Azraels who just growler on reaction when they see a lightning trap.

 

6[A]>TK fireball>22B ender:

Immediate 22C (or not) right after the 22B. Fireball hits in front, then 22B hits as a crossup if you teleported. Same combo as above.

 

This loses to emergency tech DP. Also loses to front roll if you do the TK fireball too late (if it's way too late it's a free escape, if it's just slightly late, it avoids the crossup completely and everything can be blocked in front, if done properly both the fireball and the trap hit the roll). You can do just the TK fireball part and omit the lightning trap to bait DPs but then if he doesn't DP you get no mixup at all, and starting a combo with fireball is pretty awful damage. If you get someone who always techs and blocks, it might be better to go into this ender since you get a front hit and then a crossup hit. Hard to react to the fireball hitting and confirm into a combo however. Also might be good against people who just do the OS DP on reaction and don't know the actual setups. Isn't very hard, but still slightly harder than the 6B(1) ender because of the TK. The 6B(1) is almost impossible to drop, rare drops do happen with this one.

 

If I missed anything, feel free to add what you know, or explain why you would always go for one over the other.

 

EDIT: I'm still searching for a corner throw combo that goes into it. If anyone knows one, hit me up. All the main ones (2C 6C jB 236D or 2C 236D 22B) don't seem to work.

[NewFace]

If you need a throw combo for tk fireball setup you can use these: 5B+C>9D>2C>236D>22B>5B>5C>236B>5C>6D>6[A]>2147A>22B 3696dmg 26heat

4B+C>9D>236D>5C>2C>236B>5C>6D>6[A]>2147A>22B 3187dmg 22heat

[Rhythmic]

Oh, wow. I thought if you could go into one ender it automatically meant you could go into the other one. I tried that forward throw combo but 6B(1) didn't work off that so I assumed it just didn't work at all even though 6[A] works. I guess which ender you go into also depends on the combo, then.

 

Best 6B(1) ender I could find was 5B+C>22A>5B>5C>2C>236B>5C>6D>6B(1)>22B for significantly less damage (3085).

[ukyo_rulz]

Hello there. I am a very new Kokonoe player that needs some help. I played Blazblue from CT but up until recently I played only Nu-13. Now I am trying to branch out.

 

Basically I would like to know if there is a thread, video or some other resource I can consult in order to get a basic idea of how to play Kokonoe? Maybe read an explanation of her most basic mix-up tools and some level one setups. A condensed list of universal BnBs would also be awesome. Just something basic for most common situations (corner, mid-screen, forward and back throws) that I can use to get out of training mode and into the real game.

 

I've been watching match videos and trying to work through the combo thread, but the match videos are somewhat advanced and the combo thread is an enormous wall of text. I am unsure of how to proceed in a logical fashion. Like, I watch a video and I see that the Kokonoe player does a setup and the opponent gets hit, but I don't know what the mix-up was or what the alternate branches were. I can do the combos in the thread but I am not really sure which ones are BnBs and which ones are not. Like for example there are a ton of CO combos but I am not sure if there is some kind of forced crouch setup I can do ti set them up.

 

If there is no such resource, I guess I can continue to work through the threads myself. Primarily I'm asking because I don't want to go through every single combo listed to see which ones I can work with, only to find that someone else already made a simple list of basic universal combos for people starting out.

[Iron Savior]

Hello there. I am a very new Kokonoe player that needs some help. I played Blazblue from CT but up until recently I played only Nu-13. Now I am trying to branch out.

 

Basically I would like to know if there is a thread, video or some other resource I can consult in order to get a basic idea of how to play Kokonoe? Maybe read an explanation of her most basic mix-up tools and some level one setups. A condensed list of universal BnBs would also be awesome. Just something basic for most common situations (corner, mid-screen, forward and back throws) that I can use to get out of training mode and into the real game.

 

I've been watching match videos and trying to work through the combo thread, but the match videos are somewhat advanced and the combo thread is an enormous wall of text. I am unsure of how to proceed in a logical fashion. Like, I watch a video and I see that the Kokonoe player does a setup and the opponent gets hit, but I don't know what the mix-up was or what the alternate branches were. I can do the combos in the thread but I am not really sure which ones are BnBs and which ones are not. Like for example there are a ton of CO combos but I am not sure if there is some kind of forced crouch setup I can do ti set them up.

 

If there is no such resource, I guess I can continue to work through the threads myself. Primarily I'm asking because I don't want to go through every single combo listed to see which ones I can work with, only to find that someone else already made a simple list of basic universal combos for people starting out.

Im just gonna copy what i posted on the last page

 

I don't really know what else to say, so here, have some combos

Remember, you can go into 2c if your opponent is crouching, and on CH on most b and c normals, 3c>22a>2c works on 3c CH, 2c can also combo after 22b, Kurushii posted some combos for that above

 

Midscreen

2C > 6C > jc > j.B(2) > j.C > j.6/9D > j.236D |> 66 > 6B(2) > 22A , 6B(2) > 236B

This one works off 22b, and close 2c hits 

 

2C > 5D > 5B > 5C > 236D , 6[A] > 22B , 5A > 5B > 6C > jc > j.B(2) > j.C > j.6/9D > j.236D |> 236B

Even tho the guide says close 2c, this one worked with far 2c in 1.0, if you can't time the 236b at the end, place a gravitron in a direction of your choice and launch a fireball, and i haven't tested if this one works off 22b, but if a 22b hits you should be able to run up and do the close one 

 

6B(2) > 5C > 2C > 5D > 5B > 5C > 236D , 6[A] > 22B , 5A > 5B , 6C > jc > j.C > j.9D > j.236D |> 236B

Same thing as the combo above, if you can't time the 236b at the end, you can.....

 

[AA] 6A > jc > j.B(2) > jc > j.B(2) > j.C > j.6/9D > j.236D |> 66 > 6B(2) > 22A , 6B(2) > 236B

This one also works from j.B

 

forward throw>8d, 2C>6C>jc>j.C>j.236D l>6B(2)>236B

This one does less damage than the ones on the combo page, but i find it easier to do

 

Backwards throw>7d>6c>j.8d>j.236d>l 6b(2)> 22a> 6b(2)> 236b

Same thing for this one, i just couldn't do the ones on the combo page, and the 7d is supposed to go away from your opponent

 

Noth that you can replace 6b>236b for 6b>236c if you want more damage on some combos

 

Corner

 

c.2C > 6C > jc > j.C > j.D> j.C > j.236D |> [6A]>22b,  5B > 5C , 6[A] , 5C > 236B , 5C > 236C

 

2C > 5D > 5B > 236D , 6C > jc > j.C > j.D > j.236D |> 6B(2) > 236B , 5C > 236C

If you can't time the 236c at the end , like me, it will hit anyone who techs without a barrier, you can also use 22b for oki

 

Corner forward throw>9d, 5c > 2c> 6c> jc>j.C>j.236d l>6b>236b>5c>236c

 

Corner backwards throw>9d >sjc > j.B(2) >jc >j.b(2)>j.C>j.236d l> 6b(2)> 236b> 5c> 236c

Input the 9d towards the corner

 

For corner combos, you can replace any 5c> 236c enders(which are focused on damage), with 5c>22b enders, which are better for oki

 

 

If you wanna see the rest of the post, look for a wall of text next to my avatar on the previous page

 

Edit:her most basic combo is 5b>5c>3c>236a, replace 5b with pretty much any a or b normal, and you'll be dealing some incredibly easy damage

[ukyo_rulz]

 

Im just gonna copy what i posted on the last page

 

...If you wanna see the rest of the post, look for a wall of text next to my avatar on the previous page

 

 

Thanks for this. I read through the first few pages of this thread, and also this last one, but did not find what I was looking for. Of course, it had to be on the page before the last page.

[Iron Savior]

Thanks for this. I read through the first few pages of this thread, and also this last one, but did not find what I was looking for. Of course, it had to be on the page before the last page.

There's a couple things i should add that i learned in the time since i posted that

 

If you place a 22b trap, place a 6d on a far opponent, activate the gravitron with 236d, and teleport with 22c, you will do a crossup that also sends your opponent flying towards your trap, i've catched a friend of mine a few times with this, and it always feels awesome

 

If you are doing the stuff>3c>236a basic combo, it usually won't connect if you have a gravitron out, 3c has a blind spot near Kokonoe, and the gravitron frequently messes up with the proper spacing you need to do that combo, so use 236a after 5c instead if you have a gravitron, or use 236d(activate) to go into another combo path, i use

236d> 6[A] > 22B , 5A > 5B > 6C > jc > j.B(2) > j.C > j.3d > 214a

 

What this does is set up a fireball that will go to the place where your opponent techs, and also a gravitron you can use for gravitron antics, or in a combo if you happen to land a hit, in that case you can repeat the above combo

 

Another thing is, when you end a combo like

stuff>3c>22b trap

you can use your 22c teleport to do a really basic, but really effective mixup

If you do it really early, you get a really obvious crossup, but the catch is that most dps will whiff here, but you might need to punish yourself since they avoid 22b sometimes, but be wary, since some things like Magna Tech Wheel that hit behind your opponent will hit you out of 22b

You can't rc a whiffed dp, so you can do this if you expect your opponent to dp

 

If you delay the 22c, the crossup becomes almost impossible to see, the downside to this is you are a bit vulnerable while you delay it, i've been grabbed out of it, and i've been hit out of it while inputting the 22c, so be careful

 

And 2a is a really good poke, 2a>basic string has won me a surprising number of games despite its small damage

[Pen_Ninja]

Most characters with a DP will OS the 22B > 22C mixup though...

Things like 421ABC with Ragna will give him either DP on crossup or barrier on non-crossup.

Be wary of this.

[Iron Savior]

I don't think i've been hit by that yet, but i'll keep it in mind

Is there something that beats that OS?

 

Does 22b>6d>236d>22c work?

[Pen_Ninja]

They're less likely to input the OS correctly for that one.

In terms of beating it, you can always do a high/low mixup. 3C > 22B > 6B or 2B

They can OS left and right, not high and low

[Rhythmic]

Most characters with a DP will OS the 22B > 22C mixup though...

Things like 421ABC with Ragna will give him either DP on crossup or barrier on non-crossup.

Be wary of this.

No. That is not a real OS for that setup. It works for a few things, like 6B(1) corner oki but not for 3C>22B>22C.

 

Record a training dummy doing 5B>5C>3C>22B>2A~5B>22C. If you manage to DP out of it you fucked up your recording somewhere. This beats no tech/roll/tech DP/tech mashing and hits crossup. If you instantly emergency tech and DP, your DP will hit in front but whiffs due to the teleport and then you get punished by the 22B. If you delay your emergency tech slightly, you can DP and it'll hit the correct way, but it'll also whiff due to teleport and then 22B hits. If you delay neutral tech, 2a~5b picks you up into a real combo.

 

The real way to get out of crossup/no crossup is just to tech and backdash. Everyone gets out like that, but that loses to 6C and some backdashes also lose to j2C (and then 22B hits and you get a big combo).

 

The most common answer people tend to do against that setup is just not tech and take the extra damage, especially if the combo was started from a 2A starter where you can only get 2A>5A>236B to punish no tech. Also some characters have specific escapes, like Hakumen gets out for free with 2D (throw him) and just don't bother against Azrael. There are additional escapes that I'm too lazy to list.

[Iron Savior]

That reminds me

How are you supposed to oki Azrael?, is it a lost cause?

 

Edit:i just tried out that OS, and it's amazing, but it took me a while to figure it out, i thought you had to delay the 2a a little so it would hit the enemy as they got up, but it has to whiff if the enemy emergency techs, in case anyone wants to try it out

Just remember not to use it against Tager, his Magna Tech Wheel beats teleport since it hits all around him