Luminos564 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 why Bullet hate Amane so much lol It is because some time ago, Bullet's mercenary group brought in someone to teach them how to fight. They brought in Amane, however he misunderstood them because the Japanese word for "unit" and "stage" sound the same. Amane thought it was the latter and instead of fighting techniques, he taught them how to dance. I have no idea how they plan on localizing this though since this sort of joke makes the most sense when in Japanese. So, I watched a stream of the tournament involving Azrael and, from what I could understand, while the restriction placed on him (he cannot fight people who don't want to fight except Kokonoe and Tager) is in effect, his monstrous power depends on the strength of the opponent(s) he is fighting. The more powerful and willing the opponent is, the more of his power he is able to use. Is this correct or have I misunderstood it entirely?
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 So, I watched a stream of the tournament involving Azrael and, from what I could understand, while the restriction placed on him (he cannot fight people who don't want to fight except Kokonoe and Tager) is in effect, his monstrous power depends on the strength of the opponent(s) he is fighting. The more powerful and willing the opponent is, the more of his power he is able to use. Is this correct or have I misunderstood it entirely? What? No, I don't think that the limiter that Sector Seven put make Azrael less powerful, if it did, why did Azrael be able to shatter the shoulder with a pat? The limiter that S7 put on makes it that Azrael cant fight unless the opponent have a "fighting will". That is why Azrael always taunts his opponents and never make the first move. The only people that is an exception is Kokonoe, Tager and I think that Ragna was included as well. The reason why he never goes full out is because he want to be able to fight as long as possible, even though he really want to go full power.
Luminos564 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Yeah I don't think I phrased that properly. I was actually trying to figure out if there was an explanation as to why Azrael is as strong as he is. But thanks for answering anyway. Though something else crept up: what happened to Nu-13 in the epilogue after stabbing Ragna? I keep hearing something about merging with him, though no further details were presented.
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Yeah I don't think I phrased that properly. I was actually trying to figure out if there was an explanation as to why Azrael is as strong as he is. But thanks for answering anyway. Though something else crept up: what happened to Nu-13 in the epilogue after stabbing Ragna? I keep hearing something about merging with him, though no further details were presented. Not known really, last seen that she stabs Ragna and then... How knows? It's never said and I see no special mentions inside the Library either.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 What? No, I don't think that the limiter that Sector Seven put make Azrael less powerful, if it did, why did Azrael be able to shatter the shoulder with a pat? The limiter that S7 put on makes it that Azrael cant fight unless the opponent have a "fighting will". That is why Azrael always taunts his opponents and never make the first move. The only people that is an exception is Kokonoe, Tager and I think that Ragna was included as well. The reason why he never goes full out is because he want to be able to fight as long as possible, even though he really want to go full power. I wouldn't say it makes him "less powerful" but rather, completely unable to fight anyone who doesn't want to. Someone figured that's how Kagura beat him and let Kokoenoe sealed him, by simply giving up and not wanting to fight.
Keaton Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Also somethings about Terumi and Kazuma told in the phaseshift series: Kazuma was made as spare body for Terumi and put in Ishana since it is the safest place in the world. Terumis was able to fuse with Kazuma but was captured in the end by Valkenhayn. Nine, after Clavis death, needed help from Terumi so she released him from where he was held. But, in order to be sure it would be safe she put Mind eater spell on him. Terumi though before hit by the spell separated his mind from Kzauma so only Terumi was effected by it, meaning Nine had full control over Terumi, but, Kazuma could do whatever he wanted. Nine found Take-mikazuchi and started to revive it but when she realized what it really was she ordered it to be destroyed but Eight and Seven continued to work on it behind Nine's back with help from Kazuma. During the last part of the war Kazuma tricked Trinity to remove Mind eater from Terumi. But when the Mindeater was removed some after effect made it so that Kazum and Terumi couldn't completely fuse again. Also in the end when Terumi killed Nine he was surprised by her question and thought he gave to little credit. She asked why Terumi tries to interfere with the Master Unit and why he made Relius and Shoichiro summon the Black Beast. Oh man, thanks for the Phase Shift information, I never knew Kazuma had any significance past Phase Shift 1 *u* so I guess they could still communicate with eachother on what they were doing but only Kazuma could control the body? And what exactly was Nine's question to Terumi? Also if there is any could you give us any more detailed information about what happens with Terumi/Kazuma during the books, since I don't really know anything aside from Phase Shift 1 and what you just mentioned? I hope I'm not asking for too much ;;
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) I wouldn't say it makes him "less powerful" but rather, completely unable to fight anyone who doesn't want to. Someone figured that's how Kagura beat him and let Kokoenoe sealed him, by simply giving up and not wanting to fight. Yes, Kagura did realize it when Azreal had a big opening when Kagura lost conscious for a second and didn't take it. Oh man, thanks for the Phase Shift information, I never knew Kazuma had any significance past Phase Shift 1 *u* so I guess they could still communicate with eachother on what they were doing but only Kazuma could control the body? And what exactly was Nine's question to Terumi? Also if there is any could you give us any more detailed information about what happens with Terumi/Kazuma during the books, since I don't really know anything aside from Phase Shift 1 and what you just mentioned? I hope I'm not asking for too much ;; The whole Kazuma Terumi twist isn't reviled until the end of Phaseshift 4 when Kazuma said that Nine's biggest mistake was taking Kazuma=Terumi for granted, Kazuma is Terum but at the same time he isn't. What happened was that Terumi went to "sleep" and then Kazuma went ahead with the plans so when Nine asked what Terumi was up to he couldn't answer since he didn't Know. Kazuma was gone most of the time until he tricked Trinity into believing that Terumi would kill Nine and the only way they could stop it was to remove the Mind eater. Nine: You... what are you trying to do to the Master Unit? Kazama: ... What are you talking about? Nine: You said you would answer my questions. Answer me. Why are you trying to interfer with the Master Unit. Did you make Relius Clover and Shuuichiro Ayatsuki summon the Black Beast for that reason? Kazuma: Well, Well. As one should expect from the great Mage Nine. To think you would arrive there. I'm sorry, it looks like I looked down too much on you. Edited October 31, 2013 by Zedar90
Kishido Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 OK I'm completely lost about Hazama/Terumi in CP... Are there 2 versions of him in the game... meaning 2 seperate bodies and Hakumen only kills Terumi while Hazama is still alive?
Yusufestacado Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 1Yes,you can play both Hazama and Terumi in BBCP 2No,they were both killed.OK I'm completely lost about Hazama/Terumi in CP... Are there 2 versions of him in the game... meaning 2 seperate bodies and Hakumen only kills Terumi while Hazama is still alive?
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 OK I'm completely lost about Hazama/Terumi in CP... Are there 2 versions of him in the game... meaning 2 seperate bodies and Hakumen only kills Terumi while Hazama is still alive? There is two bodies, and Hakumen used the Timekiller on Terumi's body, however, Hazama's body is also effected. It confusing and unclear, but, Hazama thought at least that he would die since he was planning to take Trinity with him when he stabbed her. The reason for the doppelgänger was some kind of side effect when Trinity swapped place with Hazama and Terumi. Terumi said that when he fought Hakumen that it maybe was time to take back his body(susanoo unit)
Keaton Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) The whole Kazuma Terumi twist isn't reviled until the end of Phaseshift 4 when Kazuma said that Nine's biggest mistake was taking Kazuma=Terumi for granted, Kazuma is Terum but at the same time he isn't. What happened was that Terumi went to "sleep" and then Kazuma went ahead with the plans so when Nine asked what Terumi was up to he couldn't answer since he didn't Know. Kazuma was gone most of the time until he tricked Trinity into believing that Terumi would kill Nine and the only way they could stop it was to remove the Mind eater. Nine: You... what are you trying to do to the Master Unit? Kazama: ... What are you talking about? Nine: You said you would answer my questions. Answer me. Why are you trying to interfer with the Master Unit. Did you make Relius Clover and Shuuichiro Ayatsuki summon the Black Beast for that reason? Kazuma: Well, Well. As one should expect from the great Mage Nine. To think you would arrive there. I'm sorry, it looks like I looked down too much on you. Ahh that's really interesting...does anything else significant become of Terumi/Kazuma after that point? At what point do Terumi and Kazuma switch places again? All I vaguely know is that Phase Shift ends around where Terumi/Kazuma/Hakumen/Nine/Trinity end up in the boundary. There is two bodies, and Hakumen used the Timekiller on Terumi's body, however, Hazama's body is also effected. It confusing and unclear, but, Hazama thought at least that he would die since he was planning to take Trinity with him when he stabbed her. The reason for the doppelgänger was some kind of side effect when Trinity swapped place with Hazama and Terumi. Terumi said that when he fought Hakumen that it maybe was time to take back his body(susanoo unit) To further make sense of this; Trinity swapped around Hazama and Terumi in the Hazama body, which caused them to split apart into two iterations of the Hazama body, one controlled by Terumi and one controlled by Hazama? And then they later both die because neither can exist on their own after Hakumen attacks Terumi? Or did Hazama just assume he would die when he took down Trinity/fell into the lake? Edited October 31, 2013 by Keaton
Kishido Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Man I really need to play it on my own... I understand absolutely nothing
Yusufestacado Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 There is two bodies, and Hakumen used the Timekiller on Terumi's body, however, Hazama's body is also effected. It confusing and unclear, but, Hazama thought at least that he would die since he was planning to take Trinity with him when he stabbed her. The reason for the doppelgänger was some kind of side effect when Trinity swapped place with Hazama and Terumi. Terumi said that when he fought Hakumen that it maybe was time to take back his body(susanoo unit) You mean that the story just stoped at the very moment when Hazama is stabbing Trinity? So whether these two guys are dead still remain unknown? P.S.Thank for your instructions above and since I'm not familiar with English please forgive mistakes in my expression~
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Ahh that's really interesting...does anything else significant become of Terumi/Kazuma after that point? At what point do Terumi and Kazuma switch places again? All I vaguely know is that Phase Shift ends around where Terumi/Kazuma/Hakumen/Nine/Trinity end up in the boundary. Nothing much really, The whole part about they can't completely combine again but Terumi/kazama said it didn't really matter but probably was only foreshadowing to BB:CP. Kazama is like Terumi, he isn't innocent. The only reason he seemed like it was because he was like a empty shell, waiting for Terumi to return. You mean that the story just stoped at the very moment when Hazama is stabbing Trinity? So whether these two guys are dead still remain unknown? P.S.Thank for your instructions above and since I'm not familiar with English please forgive mistakes in my expression~ We are not shown any more of them, not if they are wounded, dead or alive. The story is trying to make us think they are dead, so think they are dead until the sequal says otherwise.
Keaton Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Nothing much really, The whole part about they can't completely combine again but Terumi/kazama said it didn't really matter but probably was only foreshadowing to BB:CP. Kazama is like Terumi, he isn't innocent. The only reason he seemed like it was because he was like a empty shell, waiting for Terumi to return. We are not shown any more of them, not if they are wounded, dead or alive. The story is trying to make us think they are dead, so think they are dead until the sequal says otherwise. So he acts pretty innocent the whole time while Terumi's sort of sleeping in the back under the influence of Mind Eater? And what exactly are you implying when you say it's foreshadowing? I'm guessing since Kazuma is still in the boundary somewhere (since you said only Terumi's soul was taken out) there's potential that he's been waiting there this whole time and there could be the possibility of him coming back in the next game?
SoWL Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Just to clear some things up, there is still no confirmation of Tager being Bullet's former senior? She doesn't seem to get that much attention in this game, so they might've kept this plotline for later.
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 So he acts pretty innocent the whole time while Terumi's sort of sleeping in the back under the influence of Mind Eater? And what exactly are you implying when you say it's foreshadowing? I'm guessing since Kazuma is still in the boundary somewhere (since you said only Terumi's soul was taken out) there's potential that he's been waiting there this whole time and there could be the possibility of him coming back in the next game? Kazuma part is gone most part ever since he fused with Terumi, he only acts like Kazua around Trinity to fool her. When Terumi is "asleep" Kazuma still acts like Terumi. The foreshadowing part, I mean the part of Terumi arcade ending, because the reason Terumi cant completly fuse is because of the Mind Eater, then it wouldn't matter if Terumi gets another body from Relius, same thing is true. Is Hazama=Kazuma? I'm unsure, never seen 100% Kazuma=Hazama. I don't know if Kazuma followed to the edge with Terumi, only that Takamagahara-System let only the mind body of Terumi loose.
Keaton Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Kazuma part is gone most part ever since he fused with Terumi, he only acts like Kazua around Trinity to fool her. When Terumi is "asleep" Kazuma still acts like Terumi. The foreshadowing part, I mean the part of Terumi arcade ending, because the reason Terumi cant completly fuse is because of the Mind Eater, then it wouldn't matter if Terumi gets another body from Relius, same thing is true. Is Hazama=Kazuma? I'm unsure, never seen 100% Kazuma=Hazama. I don't know if Kazuma followed to the edge with Terumi, only that Takamagahara-System let only the mind body of Terumi loose. So what you mean is "Kazuma" is virtually a clone of Terumi's personality/intent, despite still being referred to as "Kazuma"? I prettymuch get that. But how could Kazuma not be with Terumi in the boundary if Terumi was in Kazuma's body when they were sealed in there? Presumably until Terumi's release, in which case Kazuma should still be in there, since you said it was specifically stated only Terumi's spirit was released? I thought it made more sense that Hazama was another body created by Relius after Terumi was released from the boundary, which he fused with during CT and has used up till this point? And now, like I said before, "To further make sense of this; Trinity swapped around Hazama and Terumi in the Hazama body, which caused them to split apart into two iterations of the Hazama body, one controlled by Terumi and one controlled by Hazama? And then they later both die because neither can exist on their own after Hakumen attacks Terumi? Or did Hazama just assume he would die when he took down Trinity/fell into the lake?" I think this is the last thing I need clarified before it all makes sense.
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 So what you mean is "Kazuma" is virtually a clone of Terumi's personality/intent, despite still being referred to as "Kazuma"? I prettymuch get that. But how could Kazuma not be with Terumi in the boundary if Terumi was in Kazuma's body when they were sealed in there? Presumably until Terumi's release, in which case Kazuma should still be in there, since you said it was specifically stated only Terumi's spirit was released? I thought it made more sense that Hazama was another body created by Relius after Terumi was released from the boundary, which he fused with during CT and has used up till this point? And now, like I said before, "To further make sense of this; Trinity swapped around Hazama and Terumi in the Hazama body, which caused them to split apart into two iterations of the Hazama body, one controlled by Terumi and one controlled by Hazama? And then they later both die because neither can exist on their own after Hakumen attacks Terumi? Or did Hazama just assume he would die when he took down Trinity/fell into the lake?" I think this is the last thing I need clarified before it all makes sense. Well, if I read it correctly, Jubei used his Sekkigan which transformed Terumi into the ghost looking body which Hakumen grabbed while Jubei jumped to the contoll room to close the gate so that Hakumen and Terumi got stuck. So what happened with Kazuma(the body) I have no idea. What happened with Hazama is unknown really, he seemed really hurt after Terumi got struck by Time Killer, but at the same time, why could Hazama still move after Terumi got his time killed? Shouldn't he be gone already.
Keaton Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Well, if I read it correctly, Jubei used his Sekkigan which transformed Terumi into the ghost looking body which Hakumen grabbed while Jubei jumped to the contoll room to close the gate so that Hakumen and Terumi got stuck. So what happened with Kazuma(the body) I have no idea. What happened with Hazama is unknown really, he seemed really hurt after Terumi got struck by Time Killer, but at the same time, why could Hazama still move after Terumi got his time killed? Shouldn't he be gone already. So when you say "transformed" into his ghost form is that literal or was he just removed from Kazuma's body? And so Kazuma's body was just left behind and has no other mention...and now Terumi has been struck by Time Killer, presumably has succumbed to its effects, and Hazama is implied to have gone down with him. Thanks for clearing that up and answering all my questions so far, I'm so sorry for asking so many ;;
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 So when you say "transformed" into his ghost form is that literal or was he just removed from Kazuma's body? And so Kazuma's body was just left behind and has no other mention...and now Terumi has been struck by Time Killer, presumably has succumbed to its effects, and Hazama is implied to have gone down with him. Thanks for clearing that up and answering all my questions so far, I'm so sorry for asking so many ;; No, he became the ghost form. One moment he looks like Terumi the next second he looks like the ghost (or as the book describes, similar to the Take-mikazuchi).
Keaton Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 No, he became the ghost form. One moment he looks like Terumi the next second he looks like the ghost (or as the book describes, similar to the Take-mikazuchi). Ah right O: so nothing was left of Kazuma's body? Or Kazuma himself?
Zedar90 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Don't know, Terumi said though: Aaaaaaaa, this isn't a joke! The body... my vessel will disappear. Let me go, LET ME GO!!
Keaton Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Don't know, Terumi said though: Aaaaaaaa, this isn't a joke! The body... my vessel will disappear. Let me go, LET ME GO!! Welp, soo I guess turning him into the ghost form erased Kazuma from existence?
TPPR10 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 So just to ask once more on Azrael's restriction: Can Azrael attack Tager and Kokonoe even if they don't want to fight him or was it that Azrael cannot attack them no matter what?
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