Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Zedar90]

So we are gonna have anthor time loop in the last game? Or was that all related to Phase Shift and CT?

The last message in the game is:  蒼炎(Azure Blaze)　"End there is the beginning. I have enclosed a contradiction of all. I beginning all. I will destroy everything. Is "Blue" I am. THE BLAZBLUE."　の書(Book of)

 

I would guess, by reading the Engrish, it would mean something like: In the End there is the Beginning. I have enclosed the contradiction of everything. I'm the beginning of everything. I will destroy everything. I am the "Azure", THE BLAZBLUE.

 

I don't think that there is goint to be a new loop, as much as we are likely going to arrive to the event which Amatertasu is trying to prevent from happening now that the loop has been broken(in CT) and all of the contradictions (Ragna going to the past). And will be shown if all of Amaterasu's hard work will pay. Will the rebellion towards the fate work, or will the world die as it's fate is saying.

 

Maybe the 100 year loop isn't limited to Kagutsuchi, but rather the destruction of the Earth?

 

It looks like it was the end of the world that makes the world continue to exist, Hazama/Terumi said something like the world was forced to continue to exist in Noel's story in CS.

 

Both Takamagahara-System and Amaterasu wants the world to continue to exist, but what seperates them is that Amaterasu wants the current world to have a future while Takamagahara wants a world with humankind to have a future.

[raziel12]

hopefully the new novel will shed some light on this then since its called Blazblue: Bloodedge Experience

but didnt he go back too the past more then 1 time in the phase novels in phase 0 then phase 4

i wonder did he talk to other ragna as well as nu

 

it looks like nu and ragna might play a key in the embryo cause they said that wat they did to noel was like a experiment to test they theory at it worked so it makes you wonder if they doing the same experiment but on a lager scale but who are the host that will have the power of the blazblue i guess to reach the true blazblue shes gonna need both azure gremiore from both nu and ragna

[Zedar90]

hopefully the new novel will shed some light on this then since its called Blazblue: Bloodedge Experience

but didnt he go back too the past more then 1 time in the phase novels in phase 0 then phase 4

i wonder did he talk to other ragna as well as nu

He only went back to the past once, he met with Celica, travel together with her to Japan. And then jumped into the Black Beast which resulted in the one year slumber.

He then stayed inside the Black Beast until he slayed Nu during the final battle with the Black Beast, and before the Black Beast had completely fallen apart, Rachel sent him back to the future.

 

Although he could have travel to different places during his way home to the present since he said "ここ……何処だ！ここは何処だ！？今度は何処に来た！？"(Where... is this! Where is this!? Where did I come to this time?) when he came back. But that could also be because of the confusion resulted by the boundary trip.

[mAc Chaos]

What's the deal with Nine? Is she under Mind Eater's influence or not? In the Six Heroes path it seemed like they broke Mind Eater but she was still evil or something.

[BlackYakuzu94]

I'm almost certain the Six Heroes or Sector 7 routes aren't canon to what happens in the main story path; or at the very least, can be considered "Alternate interventions"

[Zedar90]

What's the deal with Nine? Is she under Mind Eater's influence or not? In the Six Heroes path it seemed like they broke Mind Eater but she was still evil or something.

Phantom is a vessel made by Relius which Izanami is currently bounding Nine's soul to. The soul was excavated from the boundary.

"Nine" likely has a far more powerful version of mind control spell that Tsubaki had on her.

 

Hazama even asks if she is okay to use since he thinks that the soul is unstable, which Relius answers with that Hazama should ask that to the Imperator instead.

[mAc Chaos]

i think they got reset, but the info there should still match

[raziel12]

yea but didnt he give his jacket and sword to Celica and came bak in CP without it but in the phase 4 novel he had jacket back on when he left with rachel

[Zedar90]

yea but didnt he give his jacket and sword to Celica and came bak in CP without it but in the phase 4 novel he had jacket back on when he left with rachel

Bloodedge is Ragna, it says that outright in the Library that Bloodedge is Ragna who has timesliped by using Rachel's power. And it was "Bloodedge" inside the Black Beast, when Ragna returned to the present, he repeated some of the lines he said inside the Black Beast.

 

But why he had the jacket and the sword inside the Black Beast I have no idea. He already had them during the first time Celica was inside the Black Beast.

 

Hopefully Bloodedge Experience will cover that. There must be some reason (or I forgot about it) why the Black Beast was inactive during one year even tough Ragna was inside the Black Beast all of those three years.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Ragna has the same power Hazama had in the Anime, he can materialize his sword and jacket no matter what happens to it.

[D.R.F.]

So then that coat is like seithr incarnate?

[Toxin45]

Apparently Us can't translate Library mode because it's too long apparently.

[MighhtyKombat]

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/08/happened-blazblue-chrono-phantasmas-library-mode-arc-system-works-usa-responds/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29

 

No joke they pretty much admitted they're too lazy to do it.

 

bring back aksys

[heavymetalmixer]

Bloodedge is Ragna, it says that outright in the Library that Bloodedge is Ragna who has timesliped by using Rachel's power. And it was "Bloodedge" inside the Black Beast, when Ragna returned to the present, he repeated some of the lines he said inside the Black Beast.

 

But why he had the jacket and the sword inside the Black Beast I have no idea. He already had them during the first time Celica was inside the Black Beast.

 

Hopefully Bloodedge Experience will cover that. There must be some reason (or I forgot about it) why the Black Beast was inactive during one year even tough Ragna was inside the Black Beast all of those three years.

 

Kokonoe said that even without Ragna's interruption, the Black Beast would go to sleep one year. The problem is that she didn't say the reason.

[mAc Chaos]

Kokonoe said that even without Ragna's interruption, the Black Beast would go to sleep one year. The problem is that she didn't say the reason.

I don't remember that. She said they could have beaten it even without his interruption using the Lynchpin, is what I recall.

[Toxin45]

So does anyone had library mode translated since the Us didn't ?

[D.R.F.]

I don't remember that. She said they could have beaten it even without his interruption using the Lynchpin, is what I recall.

This is true, however she never mentioned sacrificing celica, which is why rags did it in the first place, to prevent that

[Zedar90]

It's not clear (at least for me) what originally happened, but this is what Rachel said to Ragna while he went away for a moment during the six-heroes story that was skipped in the game:

 

Rachel: You're not originally supposed to exist in this age. It doesn't matter what you do, the decided history in this age will be woven.

 

This is the story of the beginning, ”phase 0”. No one can make an intervention on this story... except for one existence who happened to get mixed into it. If that alien element came in contact with the Black Beast which must exist in this age, what will happen I wonder?

 

Since you are not a person from this age, you can stand back and observe the history that will be drawn. Or even if you know it is an useless intervention, you can challenge it.

[D.R.F.]

So then what is ragna exactly?

[mAc Chaos]

 

This is true, however she never mentioned sacrificing celica, which is why rags did it in the first place, to prevent that

She was endorsing sacrificing Celica to buy them five or so years. That was her solution. That was what their whole argument was about.

[D.R.F.]

Wait kokonoe did? Sorry, but I have the japanese version

[Zedar90]

So then what is ragna exactly?

The Destroyer of the World(世界の破壊者, Destroys all order, is the world's enemy).

Jubei found the children(Ragna, Jin & Saya) inside a Lab while searching for Relius. The Children was put in Sister's church for safety. Have merged with the "Corpse of the Black Beast" after he lost his right arm. Has a tattoo on his chest with a mark and the text No.05. Ragna knows that he is a created being.

 

I think that is what is known about Ragna.

[D.R.F.]

Wow. I knew he was created but holy crap.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Weren't Ragna, Jin, and Saya all injected with large amounts of seither as children?

[Luminos564]

It's not clear (at least for me) what originally happened, but this is what Rachel said to Ragna while he went away for a moment during the six-heroes story that was skipped in the game:

 

Rachel: You're not originally supposed to exist in this age. It doesn't matter what you do, the decided history in this age will be woven.

 

This is the story of the beginning, ”phase 0”. No one can make an intervention on this story... except for one existence who happened to get mixed into it. If that alien element came in contact with the Black Beast which must exist in this age, what will happen I wonder?

 

Since you are not a person from this age, you can stand back and observe the history that will be drawn. Or even if you know it is an useless intervention, you can challenge it.

 

Wait, doesn't that make Ragna a Chronophantasma as well?

 

The Destroyer of the World(世界の破壊者, Destroys all order, is the world's enemy).

Jubei found the children(Ragna, Jin & Saya) inside a Lab while searching for Relius. The Children was put in Sister's church for safety. Have merged with the "Corpse of the Black Beast" after he lost his right arm. Has a tattoo on his chest with a mark and the text No.05. Ragna knows that he is a created being.

 

We've heard a lot about how EVERY character seems to perceive him as "The Destroyer of the World", "World's Enemy", "Dark One" etc. Yet, despite systematically blowing up NOL branches (with good reason) he has not caused any of the so-called and predicted "World Ending". In fact, it's more like he's been inadvertently saving it. Even as the Black Beast, his acts are not voluntary during the Dark War or as clearly shown in BBCP's epilogue. If anything, it's Relius, Hazama, Izanami and Kokonoe that have the potential to bring the world to ruin far more imminently than Ragna himself.