Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Arcus Diabolus]

I feel the same way. No way in hell they will kill him off at this point. 

 

I mean, I probably would have thought so if they didn't outright tell us. Now I just have doubts about it. (Meaning if they never said anything, I probably would have been more likely to assume Ragna's death a real possibility.)

[Shinhwa]

I think what he means by the Blazblue franchise not ending even after 4th game means either he will make a spin-off, or continue releasing manga/novel series and such.

 

Or maybe a sequel except in a different title like XBLAZE.

[Calamitus]

Finally, Arakune will take his rightful protagonist's throne.

[Shinhwa]

=__=

 

What...

[BlackYakuzu94]

Finally, Arakune will take his rightful protagonist's throne.

 

The bees will rule once again.

[kylehyde]

I think what he means by the Blazblue franchise not ending even after 4th game means either he will make a spin-off, or continue releasing manga/novel series and such.

 

Or maybe a sequel except in a different title like XBLAZE.

 

I hope he's referring to another Blazblue game set somewhere in the distant future with a brand new cast of characters. Because it's too damn good to let it be reduced to random novels and Remix Heart.

 

Also, I know Xblaze is Blazblue related, but I always think of it as it's own separate thing.

[mAc Chaos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-qHgiJ7-Q0

Anyone have any idea what they're talking about in the ending? I don't remember Terumi trying to do any phenomena intervention.

[Zedar90]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-qHgiJ7-Q0

Anyone have any idea what they're talking about in the ending? I don't remember Terumi trying to do any phenomena intervention.

That's the entire point with the "Party". They use Phenomena Intervention to create "conflict"(people get restless, start to fight) and Amaterasu removes that conflict by rewinding time. However the more Amaterasu has to rewind time the "closer" she must get to the present world, and once she is "close" enough, They open Nemesis Horizon and pulls Amaterasu to the present world.

[mAc Chaos]

So the Imperator's intervention is only to make people irritable? I figured they would use it for more direct intervention than just "Ragna feels grumpy today, let's hope something happens. popcorn.gif"

And also why does Amaterasu care about those conflicts anyway? What is the condition that is setting her off?

[harmless kitten]

It makes people tense and on edge, and heightens bloodlust. Even people who were aware of it (such as Kagura) felt compelled to fight.

 

I think Amaterasu doesn't want that kind of conflict in the first place. She doesn't like all the hatred. It seemed to me that she wanted a happy outcome for people, hence her (if Amaterasu is the girl in Rachel's story after all) rewriting the story again and again even though it's fruitless. There's not much information on why Amaterasu feels that way, but I suppose that's for another game.

[mAc Chaos]

But why didn't she rewrite the story again after the Imperator liquidated half the world?

[harmless kitten]

The Imperator mentioned something about the timeline becoming "fixed" after Rachel sent Ragna to 2106, but I don't quite remember.

[mAc Chaos]

Ah, so after that there can't be any more resets or time loops?

The Ragna thing is because until Ragna went back in time during CP, the past was in a state of flux. It was basically a black box, so the timeline could be rearranged. Once he closed the loop by going back, everything had been set in stone.

Although wait. When Rachel is protecting Amaterasu she says the important thing is that Amaterasu's data can be used to restore the world or something.

[Zedar90]

Ah, so after that there can't be any more resets or time loops?

The Ragna thing is because until Ragna went back in time during CP, the past was in a state of flux. It was basically a black box, so the timeline could be rearranged. Once he closed the loop by going back, everything had been set in stone.

Although wait. When Rachel is protecting Amaterasu she says the important thing is that Amaterasu's data can be used to restore the world or something.

For the moment yes, no more time loops and resets, past cannot be changed. However, currently Doomsday is in progress, the world is getting a complete reset and the Successor of Azure will rebuild the world.

 

So I think there can be three ways for this to end. 1, the Doomsday is put to stop and they will try to revert/save as much that is possible. 2, Amaterasu re-creates the world and the world is back in it's CT loop. 3, A completely new world is created (such as Izanami's world of death, or something else).

[mAc Chaos]

They also mentioned the possibility of the time loops returning somewhere in CP. I forget where. But that made me think about the time loops again.

The time loops were done by Takamagahara: for what purpose? Did they want Noel too?

If not, why didn't they just reset the time loops again.

Also what was the point of using Take Mikazuchi after the loop was broken. I think it was used at the end of each failed loop too?

[Zedar90]

They also mentioned the possibility of the time loops returning somewhere in CP. I forget where. But that made me think about the time loops again.

The time loops were done by Takamagahara: for what purpose? Did they want Noel too?

If not, why didn't they just reset the time loops again.

Also what was the point of using Take Mikazuchi after the loop was broken. I think it was used at the end of each failed loop too?

The time-loops was there to trap that the Black Beast and make sure it cannot progress further in the time-line.

 

Takamagahara-System didn't have that much power, Amaterasu was blocking them from doing certain things, so they wanted her dead and to activate Doomsday and rebuild the world to the shape they wanted it to be.

 

By shooting Take-mikazuchi, Kagutsuchi will be destroyed resulting in time being Rewinded to the year 2100 (Didn't something similar happened when Jin died?). Takamagahara decided to enter next phase since in their eyes, nothing had changed, but since Rachel stopped the beam, Takamagahara decided to enter Continuum Shift instead, even if they wanted, they can't shoot Take-mikazuchi until 4 years later.

[mAc Chaos]

But the Black Beast was Ragna and Nu going back in time. What does the Cauldron getting blasted have to do with it? And how does that trigger the time loop?

I don't get how Take Mikazuchi getting fired = time loop happening.

And you're saying Takamagahara was trying to do the same thing the Imperator was?

[Zedar90]

But the Black Beast was Ragna and Nu going back in time. What does the Cauldron getting blasted have to do with it? And how does that trigger the time loop?

I don't get how Take Mikazuchi getting fired = time loop happening.

And you're saying Takamagahara was trying to do the same thing the Imperator was?

The loop is for trapping the Black Beast, that's what the MC's at least says:

 

BBCP:MCII: The system that is managing the world, Takamagahara, from this moment is rewinding time to the year 2100 to prevent the resurrection of the Black Beast from those two's fusion.

BBCP:MC: Blazblue Calamity Trigger is in the truth a story about a world in a loop. In order to prevent the appearance of the Black Beast, the time has repeated itself countles times from the year 2100-2199.

 

This is from the CT LN volume 2: That giant's light was a way to force reset the world when the world for some reason didn't loop.

 

Takamagahara is more or less using the same methods as the Imperator, however their reason for it is different. Takamagahara want to ensure the humanity's survival in a secure and stable way (This world is anything but stable) and the Imperator wants to revert the world back to it's true form, a world of death.

[heavymetalmixer]

The loop is for trapping the Black Beast, that's what the MC's at least says:

 

BBCP:MCII: The system that is managing the world, Takamagahara, from this moment is rewinding time to the year 2100 to prevent the resurrection of the Black Beast from those two's fusion.

BBCP:MC: Blazblue Calamity Trigger is in the truth a story about a world in a loop. In order to prevent the appearance of the Black Beast, the time has repeated itself countles times from the year 2100-2199.

 

This is from the CT LN volume 2: That giant's light was a way to force reset the world when the world for some reason didn't loop.

 

Takamagahara is more or less using the same methods as the Imperator, however their reason for it is different. Takamagahara want to ensure the humanity's survival in a secure and stable way (This world is anything but stable) and the Imperator wants to revert the world back to it's true form, a world of death.

 

Reading all this stuff about different ideas for creating a new world, all I can think about is SMT Nocturne, don't you think they're alike?

[kibakirain]

Can anyone clarify what Hazama's statements were about in the end of episode 13? What did he mean by lost 'embryo' and the new Blazblue being born?

[Master Of Chaos]

He's referring to the "True" BlazBlue that Izanami is now trying to form.

[Zedar90]

Can anyone clarify what Hazama's statements were about in the end of episode 13? What did he mean by lost 'embryo' and the new Blazblue being born?

First, the Embryo is written with the kanji's 蒼の胚(ao no hai, Azure's embryo) so it's safe to assume that the Embryo is going to be born as an "Azure"(Blazblue).

 

Now, for the lost part, the only thing I can think of that he means about that is the events of the end of Xblaze, unless he talks about something that has yet to be shown.

Spoiler for Xblaze:

In Xblaze, an organization named Takamagahara was developing the T-system, and for it's core the embryo is needed. So inside someone called Code: Embryo, Takamagahara tempered the Embryo but shortly after, someone used the Legacy Weapon Kusanagi to seal the Code: Embryo's power and would dump Code: Embryo into the boundary.

Shortly after a Prime Field fell into the boundary as well and met the Code: Embryo and since Code: Embryo couldn't use her powers she made the Prime Field inherit the power. After the Prime Field inherited the Embryo from Code: Embryo, the Prime Field headed to the Master Unit and used her power to remove any trace of her existence and would stay in the boundary by the Master Unit's side.

[Shinhwa]

For the moment yes, no more time loops and resets, past cannot be changed. However, currently Doomsday is in progress, the world is getting a complete reset and the Successor of Azure will rebuild the world.

 

So I think there can be three ways for this to end. 1, the Doomsday is put to stop and they will try to revert/save as much that is possible. 2, Amaterasu re-creates the world and the world is back in it's CT loop. 3, A completely new world is created (such as Izanami's world of death, or something else).

 

About #2...

 

Why do I feel that it must happen in order for Amaterasu's "story" that she wishes for to come true?

 

If we truly consider that Nu is actually the "The Girl who is actually a monster", considering she is the character who fits that description the most as she becomes the Heart of Black Beast, then wouldn't Ragna taking another course of action in a positive way during the 2199 12/31 for Nu may let Amaterasu's wish comes true?

 

I mean the primary wish that Amaterasu wishes for is that in her story, the "Girl who is a monster" is saved by the "Hero", but this kind of thing never happened.

[mAc Chaos]

The loop is for trapping the Black Beast, that's what the MC's at least says:

 

BBCP:MCII: The system that is managing the world, Takamagahara, from this moment is rewinding time to the year 2100 to prevent the resurrection of the Black Beast from those two's fusion.

BBCP:MC: Blazblue Calamity Trigger is in the truth a story about a world in a loop. In order to prevent the appearance of the Black Beast, the time has repeated itself countles times from the year 2100-2199.

 

This is from the CT LN volume 2: That giant's light was a way to force reset the world when the world for some reason didn't loop.

 

Takamagahara is more or less using the same methods as the Imperator, however their reason for it is different. Takamagahara want to ensure the humanity's survival in a secure and stable way (This world is anything but stable) and the Imperator wants to revert the world back to it's true form, a world of death.

Well, from your explanations it sounds like no actual clear explanation was ever offered. Because that doesn't really clarify anything lul

What does it mean by Black Beast appearing again? In the present time? But Nu and Ragna go BACK in time. And resetting the time loop doesn't change that, they still appear as the Black Beast in the past and destroy half the world.

[Zedar90]

Well, from your explanations it sounds like no actual clear explanation was ever offered. Because that doesn't really clarify anything lul

What does it mean by Black Beast appearing again? In the present time? But Nu and Ragna go BACK in time. And resetting the time loop doesn't change that, they still appear as the Black Beast in the past and destroy half the world.

From how it sounds, if Takamagahara didn't reset/rewind time, the Black Beast would appear in the present time instead of in the past. The boundary is not part of the time-line really, it's outside of it. So they leave the time-line, the time-line is reset to the past, the Black Beast appears again but it's the past now.