Toxin45 Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 There is something I am confused about. It is known that in CT, Takahamagara was responsible for creating time loops between AD 2100 and AD 2199 every time Ragna fused with Nu after falling in the cauldron. So this brings up the question: Just during which time period did Master Unit Amaterasu create time loops??? Proably in Xblaze.
Zedar90 Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 There is something I am confused about. It is known that in CT, Takahamagara was responsible for creating time loops between AD 2100 and AD 2199 every time Ragna fused with Nu after falling in the cauldron. So this brings up the question: Just during which time period did Master Unit Amaterasu create time loops??? What it says in MC and the 25th art book is: "When the system that manage the world "Takamagahara" observes that the fusion of Ragna and Nu gives birth to the Black Beast that will lead to the destruction of the world, it rewinds the time to the year 2100." so while it is the Takamagahara-system that creates the loop you could say it is really Amaterasu who creates it since she forces Takamagahara to do that since they have no other option.
Toxin45 Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) What it says in MC and the 25th art book is: "When the system that manage the world "Takamagahara" observes that the fusion of Ragna and Nu gives birth to the Black Beast that will lead to the destruction of the world, it rewinds the time to the year 2100." so while it is the Takamagahara-system that creates the loop you could say it is really Amaterasu who creates it since she forces Takamagahara to do that since they have no other option. Oh well that's not surprising. Hey guys I was on gamefaqs.com and some guy named souleater said that he always thought that Terumi had some god complex and if Soichiro really is Terumi then would be head cannon. The Thing that Bugs me Jin and Saya used to be really close but after she got Sick Jin hated her.So how did she get sick? Izanami trying to take over Saya's body and Jin did figured it out so Terumi had to erase that to just hating Saya. Although in Nu's story mode in Ct Jin mistook her for Saya so he did not entirely hated her. Edited January 2, 2014 by Toxin45
Master Of Chaos Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Jin only didn't hate Saya in the Hakumen timeline. Every other one he hated her like Ragna players hate Noel. Her sickness might have something to do with Izanami, but Saya definitely wasn't possessed until Terumi and Relius kidnapped her and Terumi "broke" her.
harmless kitten Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Oh well that's not surprising. Hey guys I was on gamefaqs.com and some guy named souleater said that he always thought that Terumi had some god complex and if Soichiro really is Terumi then would be head cannon. The Thing that Bugs me Jin and Saya used to be really close but after she got Sick Jin hated her.So how did she get sick? Izanami trying to take over Saya's body and Jin did figured it out so Terumi had to erase that to just hating Saya. Although in Nu's story mode in Ct Jin mistook her for Saya so he did not entirely hated her. That was actually memory from Saya and did not happen in the present day, but yes he acted fine around her in that particular flashback. It's not like Jin always hated her. Personally, I don't think he ever hated Saya specifically, but it's a rather tinhatty theory to hold on to.
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Jin only didn't hate Saya in the Hakumen timeline. Every other one he hated her like Ragna players hate Noel. Her sickness might have something to do with Izanami, but Saya definitely wasn't possessed until Terumi and Relius kidnapped her and Terumi "broke" her. Yeah I guess Saya was struggling to keep Izanami from fully controlling her with Jin trying to keep Izanami in check and it's only because of Terumi "breaking" her that Izanami had taken over.
Master Of Chaos Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I would think if something like that was going on Ragna would have noticed something odd about Saya's behavior. And how was Jin being a jerk "Keeping Izanami in check."
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I would think if something like that was going on Ragna would have noticed something odd about Saya's behavior. And how was Jin being a jerk "Keeping Izanami in check." I geuss Izanami took over Saya temporarily attacking Jin like a super powered evil side framing him for being a jerk as you said and To be fair Ragna did notice that Saya's personality changed a little but he decided it was no big deal.Also I think Saya did not tell him because she dosen't want him to worry.
kylehyde Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Is Ragna's Azure truly an evil thing? I mean, at first we keep hearing Jubei and Rachel say that Ragna should not think of that Azure as his own. And of course we've seen what happens when he over uses it. But in CP when Ragna makes up his mind to not use it anymore and instead rely on his own power, Rachel says that maybe he's just running away. So what do Jubei and Rachel want from Ragna?
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Is Ragna's Azure truly an evil thing? I mean, at first we keep hearing Jubei and Rachel say that Ragna should not think of that Azure as his own. And of course we've seen what happens when he over uses it. But in CP when Ragna makes up his mind to not use it anymore and instead rely on his own power, Rachel says that maybe he's just running away. So what do Jubei and Rachel want from Ragna? Considering that it's implied that ragna was maid from Sechs(His sword and Voice had similar)and Acit's dna(Would explain how he had blonde hair originally) with Toya's soul inside him(Similiar powers and fighting style),they want Ragna to return to his original form The Xblaze Toya Kagari. Edited January 2, 2014 by Toxin45
Master Of Chaos Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I geuss Izanami took over Saya temporarily attacking Jin like a super powered evil side framing him for being a jerk as you said and To be fair Ragna did notice that Saya's personality changed a little but he decided it was no big deal.Also I think Saya did not tell him because she dosen't want him to worry. That makes absolutely zero sense. Saya attacking Jin while being temporally possessed? I refuse believe that this happened and nether Ragna or Jin made any reference to it. Jin only says that she stole Ragna away from him, not that she ever attacked him. If Izanami was indeed trying to possess Saya at the time and having trouble doing it, she wouldn't be fucking around trying a futile process. She would have sent Terumi earlier. When did Ragna ever say her personality changed? And finally, Saya was stated to be very dependent on Ragna during their days at the church. I find it very hard to believe that she wouldn't have said anything to him. @Kylehyde: I think Rachel and Jubei want Ragna to learn how to utilize the Azure properly, without over relying on it or acting under the belief that it is his power to use freely.
kylehyde Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Considering that it's implied that ragna was maid from Sechs(His sword and Voice had similar)and Acit's dna(Would explain how had blonde hair originally) with Toya's soul inside him(Similiar powers and fighting style),they want Ragna to return to his original form The Xblaze Toya Kagari. What the hell are you talking about? X______X @Master Of Chaos, Yeah I suppose that's the most logical reason. But with Jubei and Rachel I always feel like there is some hidden underlying reason for everything that they say. Edited January 2, 2014 by kylehyde
Chaoschao222 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Posted January 2, 2014 What the hell are you talking about? X______X Spoilers will be present, intelligent posts... less likely to be every day.
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 That makes absolutely zero sense. Saya attacking Jin while being temporally possessed? I refuse believe that this happened and nether Ragna or Jin made any reference to it. Jin only says that she stole Ragna away from him, not that she ever attacked him. If Izanami was indeed trying to possess Saya at the time and having trouble doing it, she wouldn't be fucking around trying a futile process. She would have sent Terumi earlier. When did Ragna ever say her personality changed? And finally, Saya was stated to be very dependent on Ragna during their days at the church. I find it very hard to believe that she wouldn't have said anything to him. @Kylehyde: I think Rachel and Jubei want Ragna to learn how to utilize the Azure properly, without over relying on it or acting under the belief that it is his power to use freely. Well this coming from Jin is probably not true and that his memories were scrambled by Yukianasa.I guess Ragna didn't believe in Jin's stories about Saya being possessed but it's safe to assume she kept the "Izanami possessing thing" a secret or rather Izanami pretending to be Saya to gain Ragna's trust.
Master Of Chaos Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Terumi took Jin's memories of the day he burned down the church. Nothing else.
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Terumi took Jin's memories of the day he burned down the church. Nothing else. Well Yeah but Saya' sickness being Izanami possessing her still stands and she could be the reason why jin hates saya due to his power of order sensing Izanami and the hatred of Saya is really izanami possessing her.
Master Of Chaos Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 You're making me cry here. Jin hated Saya out of jealousy for taking Ragna's attention, that much is clearly stated.
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 You're making me cry here. Jin hated Saya out of jealousy for taking Ragna's attention, that much is clearly stated. well that's what Jin thought and given Mori's fond of twists that could be a lie.
Stryker115 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 But thats actually the legit reason and nothing else Ragna paying more attention to Saya than to Jin these are KIDS we're talking about here and Jin only got his Power of Order sometime AFTER being adopted by the Kisaragis
Zedar90 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I would believe the core reason for Jin's "hatred" for Saya is jealousy. But it is due to him being a anti-body for the world, that the "world" (or only Yukianesa) is using that "reason" and amplifying it to stupidly high levels since the "world" is thinking that Saya is a threat. Also I don't think that is with in Ragna is truly "Evil", only misunderstood power. If we think about what the arbitrator told Touya in Xblaze, it is power to consume and destroy, the destruction part of the power of Azure (creation and Destruction as Terumi said in the anime). It mustn't be fought against, only lead like a current, and only be used for what it is good for not what you want it to be.
Stryker115 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Does anyone else think Hinata was the 0th prime field and Es is the 1st given the descriptions about what happened? also the Touya in XBlaze isn't even the real Touya in the first place he was made by Hinata using vague memories that she had from when she was still being tempered by the Takamagahara team
Zedar90 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Does anyone else think Hinata was the 0th prime field and Es is the 1st given the descriptions about what happened? also the Touya in XBlaze isn't even the real Touya in the first place he was made by Hinata using vague memories that she had from when she was still being tempered by the Takamagahara team Es can't be the first, the first was made by Relius and Ayatsuki on 31st December 2099. And it's more likely Es is the 0th prime field, Es is outright called Prime Field by Unomaru but no such thing with Hinata. There is much strange things with Touya. Touya protected Hinata much in the past, when was this? It can't have been happening after the Wadatsumi Incident. And also the whole thing with Touya isn't Touya but he is Touya. Also the whole cause for the Xblaze's plot was something Touya did in the past and Touya got sent there by Es. Where is this? When? Why is it something only that the current and only that Touya can fix? It looks to be in the Closed Special Ward but more then that isn't known. The ten saints are going on the whole time that they need to release the Grimoire and that it must be done in steps or it will only lead to destruction, so there might be some kind of seal or lock on the grimoire in Touya. Then there is the part when Sechs was very interested in the fact that Touya stopped Sechs from turning Kuon into a union, it was like Sechs didn't expect Touya to take that kind of action. Then there is some dialog, here is the first, it's in a Touya's dream were the Arbitrator appears the first time after the releasing of the Grimoire with the shape of a "black beast" Touya and is using Touya's voice: ???: ... hey. Touya: Hm? ... who's there? ???: It's me you know! Touya: ... I can't remember. ???: Have you forgotten? Touya: Who are you again...? ???: Aren't you a bad person. Touya: Even if you say that, I can't remember what I can't remember... ???: Is that so. If you have forgotten... I will make you remember. Touya: !? ???: It's a nice feeling, isn't it? Touya: Ugh... please stop. ???: I know... it. Touya: ... what do you know. ???: That you want to go on a rampage! Touya: ... that's wrong. ???: That you want to... consume everything! Touya: That's wrong! I... ???: You have that "power". Touya: ... power? ???: That's right... listen, for my "voice". Roar...! You're proof of existence!! Then there is this, takes place in the garden at the hospital with Touya, Unomaru, Sechs, Drei and Acht: Unomaru: You know... I hate to be ignored. Well, I'm only a low level chief in the organization so it can't be helped. Sechs: ... Unomaru Shouichirou. Unomaru: Haha, this is surprising. To think you would know someone as small as me. Sechs: You are... truly foolish. Unomaru: Eh? You're calling someone like me that has created a Homunculus to protect the civilians peace and resources from Unions as foolish!? Sechs: ... Unomaru: There is something that I had thought to ask of you if we met... For what reason have you come and going so far to throw away your position as a ten saint? Sechs: To make something incomplete... in to complete. Unomaru: ... wha? Sechs: ... complete, in other words "zero". Unomaru: I cant understand a single word of what you are saying... Sechs: What are you desiring from the world. Unomaru: ... Me? That is off course the "prosper of humanity". I work every single day with the wish for humanity's future. Yes, for every single day... not forgetting about it for one single second. Sechs: ... is that so. Unomaru: I'm giving everything for "humanity's" future. And if there is a god... I will even control that exsistance you know? Sechs: ... I see. Kagari Touya. What is it that... you desire. Touya: Who gives a crap about that!! ... It was you that made Akira into a Union right!? Sechs: That's right. Touya: Why!! ... Why did you do it!? Sechs: To show you the truth. Touya: The truth, to me...? What are you trying to say? Sechs: ... For what world are you desiring. Touya: What!? That is obvious... I want to protect everyone!! I want to protect everyone that is precious to me from people like you that will hurt them! Sechs: ... Then I will ask. What if you yourself are an existence that will hurt them? Touya: !? There is no way that is possible!! Sechs: Ask. For what reason do you exist. Touya: ... My reason for existence? Sechs: ...
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I would believe the core reason for Jin's "hatred" for Saya is jealousy. But it is due to him being a anti-body for the world, that the "world" (or only Yukianesa) is using that "reason" and amplifying it to stupidly high levels since the "world" is thinking that Saya is a threat. Also I don't think that is with in Ragna is truly "Evil", only misunderstood power. If we think about what the arbitrator told Touya in Xblaze, it is power to consume and destroy, the destruction part of the power of Azure (creation and Destruction as Terumi said in the anime). It mustn't be fought against, only lead like a current, and only be used for what it is good for not what you want it to be. Well yeah but says getting sick is still fishy I still Think that Izanami had something to do with that.
Zedar90 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Well yeah but says getting sick is still fishy I still Think that Izanami had something to do with that. About the sick part, she had been in a Lab and done who knows what test's on her. Also if she is the first prime field, that would mean that she has been destroyed by Izayoi and also been dumped into the boundary, both wouldn't been good for once health. Also, Izanami wasn't awaken until the end of CS, as seen in the anime, Takamagahara being unaware of the fact and Rachel telling Hakumen in the game that she has been awaken.
Toxin45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) About the sick part, she had been in a Lab and done who knows what test's on her. Also if she is the first prime field, that would mean that she has been destroyed by Izayoi and also been dumped into the boundary, both wouldn't been good for once health. Also, Izanami wasn't awaken until the end of CS, as seen in the anime, Takamagahara being unaware of the fact and Rachel telling Hakumen in the game that she has been awaken. But the anime showed that in episode 3 Saya was walking casually with terumi,plus her eyes weren't shown, so Izanami must have been awakened termoraily and then went back to sleep until CS where she was fulled awaken. So does Hakumen know about Izanami possessing Saya? Also in Ep 12 of the anime Noel was in pain after seeing Izanami possesed Saya which seems to further the theroy of some of Saya's soul is within Noel. Edited January 2, 2014 by Toxin45
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