Luminos564 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Collapsed: Extend's new ending: What... is that...? ... who am I? Also Minerva's new portrait Wow, so Ragna caught a break after all. He might have memory loss, but that seems better then what we thought before... SPOILER TAGGING just in case for safety. Don't be so sure. Remember, according to Rachel at least, he's gonna die: be it by Tsubaki/Jin's sword or from his own, yet unexplained, evil. All memory loss does for him this time is make him innocent enough to not know who all these people around him are and why they'd want to kill him. So worst case scenario he dies from either cause without ever knowing what he did to deserve it or why it happened to him. Still, when you're the Blazen-verse's chew toy I suppose dying in blissful ignorance is a blessing in his case. Time will tell what this ultimately leads to. Silver lining? Without his memory Hazama/Terumi should not be able to feed off of his hatred to anchor his slithering existence. Also a small clap to you ASW, you actually updated Minerva's story sprite. Nicely done though I can't help but feel like Minerva is rolling her robotic eyes at whatever Celica is saying. Thank you Zedar as well.
Shinhwa Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Ragna lost his memories...? How did that happen...? O_o
Zedar90 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Ragna lost his memories...? How did that happen...? O_o He lost control of the grimoire and ended up inside the Embryo somehow. That's all that is known about Ragna's situation other than he now seems to have an amnesia, again. [collapse] [/collapse]
Shinhwa Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 He lost control of the grimoire and ended up inside the Embryo somehow. That's all that is known about Ragna's situation other than he now seems to have an amnesia, again. [collapse] [/collapse] Yeah I know, since the clue was that he disappeared after he went berserk thanks to stupid Izanami, then the Lambda arcade showed that he is inside Embryo and such... Don't tell me his death has started with his memories...? Inb4 Gag Reel route later on abusing his memory loss (Plz don't tell me this is going to be reference to Gintama.... =w=;; )
kylehyde Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Ragna had amnesia when he got sent back in time, could it be that he has time skipped again?
heavymetalmixer Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Ragna had amnesia when he got sent back in time, could it be that he has time skipped again? Not exactly, he had amneisa because he got into the boundary, and I think the Embryo is also within the boundary.
Luminos564 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Not exactly, he had amneisa because he got into the boundary, and I think the Embryo is also within the boundary. Would he not have disintegrated in that scenario? Remember, the Tsukuyomi unit was needed for CP Ragna to safely go to the Phase Shift era and even with that, he still got amnesia. But at the moment, the Tsukuyomi unit is not with him and is busy shielding Amaterasu. So if him being part of the Embryo and it went through the Boundary without anything shielding him, then would he not be suffering more adverse effects? Then again, he might be and we simply have not had the chance to see them.
Tokkan Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 I wonder how is Lambda still alive? The Embryo somehow separated her from Ragna.
Luminos564 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 The Embryo somehow separated her from Ragna. From the Idea Engine then? That mean Ragna no longer has access to it? In that case, it'd explain why Kokonoe couldn't simply track him down during the True End and needed someone to go look for him.
Liexi Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Which means if Tsubaki or Jin comes to kill him, he's pretty much a dead man so far.
Luminos564 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 That means he is weak again too. *Sigh* Par for the course I guess as is the eventual power-up at the climax to make him able to take on...whoever decides to take the Final Boss role.
Shinhwa Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 The Embryo somehow separated her from Ragna. What part of that was revealed in the story mode anyway? O.o After Ragna disappeared on Noel and Jin after going Berserk? Or was that revealed in her Arcade mode? (As far as I remember, I don't think her Arcade mode did). The library?
sg1989 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 SPOILER TAGGING just in case for safety. Don't be so sure. Remember, according to Rachel at least, he's gonna die: be it by Tsubaki/Jin's sword or from his own, yet unexplained, evil. All memory loss does for him this time is make him innocent enough to not know who all these people around him are and why they'd want to kill him. So worst case scenario he dies from either cause without ever knowing what he did to deserve it or why it happened to him. Still, when you're the Blazen-verse's chew toy I suppose dying in blissful ignorance is a blessing in his case. Time will tell what this ultimately leads to. Silver lining? Without his memory Hazama/Terumi should not be able to feed off of his hatred to anchor his slithering existence. Also a small clap to you ASW, you actually updated Minerva's story sprite. Nicely done though I can't help but feel like Minerva is rolling her robotic eyes at whatever Celica is saying. Thank you Zedar as well. Ragna could actually die, but probably in a very different way from how we think. Also, seeing the story as a whole, Ragna is died several times already, and personally speaking I do not think it would make much sense to mori revive again the situation '' sacrifice of Ragna and celica forever alone episode 2 '' (end of the first BB novel ) that Rachel refers to the death of Ragna differently from how we think now? (But maybe this is just my stupid speculation sorry XD) sorry for my bad english
churchblue Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I still think Hakumen will die in BB4. He already accomplished his objective and his exist is near fading. I will expect a lot of Hakumen/Tsubaki scenes. Also, Susanoo Unit will be full salvaged before he kicks the bucket. It will probably be given to Jin or Tsubaki to use.
churchblue Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 Hakumen is on the verge of disappearing. I don't know how much longer he has.
Desert Fox Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 What I'm curious to know about is the true connection between Ragna and Rachel that would make the latter a card in eradicating the evil within the former.
Luminos564 Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 What I'm curious to know about is the true connection between Ragna and Rachel that would make the latter a card in eradicating the evil within the former. To clarify though, we don't know if Rachel's death would do that in the first place. She told Tsubaki to use Immortal Breaker on her and kill her if neither Jin nor Tsubaki are able to kill Ragna before he keels over on his own. How her death factors into this (or if it even does anything) is unknown. It could be that she simply no longer wants to live if Ragna isn't around. Or it could be that her death allows her to somehow interfere with the "evil" (perhaps seal it). It could even be that her death is there to prevent said "evil" from using Rachel in some way. Personally out of the ones I listed, I am more fond of the 3rd option but again, we have no idea what effect Rachel dying has in correlation to Ragna, the methods of his death and his inner "evil".
Zedar90 Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 To clarify though, we don't know if Rachel's death would do that in the first place. She told Tsubaki to use Immortal Breaker on her and kill her if neither Jin nor Tsubaki are able to kill Ragna before he keels over on his own. How her death factors into this (or if it even does anything) is unknown. It could be that she simply no longer wants to live if Ragna isn't around. Or it could be that her death allows her to somehow interfere with the "evil" (perhaps seal it). It could even be that her death is there to prevent said "evil" from using Rachel in some way. Personally out of the ones I listed, I am more fond of the 3rd option but again, we have no idea what effect Rachel dying has in correlation to Ragna, the methods of his death and his inner "evil". Rachel specifically told Tsubaki that killing Rachel is "the only way to completely erase" the "evil" after Ragna "dies". So yes, Ragna and the Evil will disappear for some reason when Rachel dies. Now the reason for it I don't know, could it have something to do with Rachel observing something with Ragna, or maybe somehow connected somehow to the life sharing between Raquel and Naoto, or some left over when Rachel tried to save Ragna when she tried to turn him into a vampire. Or perhaps it's something else.
kylehyde Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 I don't like how the arcade ending and the story mode ending differ. In the arcade Rachel tells Tsubaki to kill her after Ragna dies. That's it no mention about only if he doesn't die naturally. Gives you a sense that she's doing it out of sentimentality or something. But in the story mode her explanation sounds a lot more colder.
Luminos564 Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Rachel specifically told Tsubaki that killing Rachel is "the only way to completely erase" the "evil" after Ragna "dies". So yes, Ragna and the Evil will disappear for some reason when Rachel dies. I see. I stand corrected then. I was going off on the English localized version. No wonder all the facts didn't match up. Now the reason for it I don't know, could it have something to do with Rachel observing something with Ragna, or maybe somehow connected somehow to the life sharing between Raquel and Naoto, or some left over when Rachel tried to save Ragna when she tried to turn him into a vampire. Or perhaps it's something else. So many possibilities. Though, Rachel gave up her position as an Observer didn't she? Or does that just abdicate her position as opposed to the skillset associated with it? I think we might be able to rule out the vampiric powers as ever since the first loop, he's been able to save himself by using the Azure Grimoire. Unless Rachel drinking his blood way back in loop one somehow allows her to "rewind" him (think something like blood memory or whatever) to that state after she is killed. Again too many ideas... I don't like how the arcade ending and the story mode ending differ. In the arcade Rachel tells Tsubaki to kill her after Ragna dies. That's it no mention about only if he doesn't die naturally. Gives you a sense that she's doing it out of sentimentality or something. But in the story mode her explanation sounds a lot more colder. Yeah that is a problem with this series I find. There's all these paths and outcomes which are both simultaneously canon and non-canon at once. Especially with that tug-of-war between the Imperator and Master Unit happening during this game. Hopefully now that it is over, we can get a more streamlined, definitive progression.
Danaiden Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 Was it ever stated why Relius is partially artificial? His right arm is a prosthesis and he has several gears in his body. Was he involved in an accident or are these just the results of some experiments on himself?
Angry Guy of DE Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 Relius was involved in the experiment with Terumi and Kokonoe's grand-father that ended up with him being sent into the future. The extent of his injuries from that aside from what happened to his eyes was never put into much detail. Likely some of that modification he willingly did on himself but the arm potentially could've been a result of when he got spat out into the future.
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