Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[sg1989]

 

 (nobody likes truth and justice :V) 

is not true, i love bang shishigami the true hero of blazblue ( this char is very cool )

 

[red13]

Jin? A mastermind? You flatter him too much. Besides, if anything, Jin would be salty if Tsubaki stole his kill.

On another note, with BE's characters, save for a few, being parallel to Blazblue's cast, I can't help but think that Naoto's contract with Raquel is a hint of a hint to Ragna and Rachel's relationship. I may be overthinking it though. 

I know but it really sucks that none of the cast try to explain to Tsubaki about Jin's relationship to Ragna I feel that so many thing could have bean avoid its really dumb that everyone else knows  except her and Jin Obviously doesn't try to tell her for reason I just said  

[Desert Fox]

There are a few parallels to BlazBlue, but there's more than a few that aren't:

 

Naoto = Ragna

Raquel = Rachel

Saya Terumi = Saya

Kiiro = the Murakumo Units

 

That's about it. For XBlaze, however, there can also be:

 

Haruka = Hinata (barely)

Yuki = Yuki (strongest resemblance, may also be the same person).

 

Otherwise, Relius, Valkenhayn and Clavis are the same characters (at least according to a Mori interview). Spinner, Kana, Shinnosuke, and Tadayuki don't have counterparts, so to speak.

 

 

 

Actually, Spinne kinda reminded me of Arakune, albeit more sane and powerful.

 

Edited August 5, 2015 by Desert Fox
Fixed quote

[BlackYakuzu94]

I mean I can understand how you feel, Ragna & Tsubaki barely know each other and the latter treats the former like he's the reason her life falls apart. 

But Ragna has had indirect causes on Tsubaki's life and now he's an active threat. Even if she did know Ragna & Jin were brothers, what would it exactly change? Ragna would still be a criminal and Jin still would have went after him anyway. It doesn't change a whole lot honestly. 

Like, is Tsubaki just suddenly supposed to forgive and forget about all of other things Ragna has done just because he's Jin's brother?

Edited August 5, 2015 by BlackYakuzu94

[Alpha to Omega]

There are a few parallels to BlazBlue, but there's more than a few that aren't:

Naoto = Ragna
Raquel = Rachel
Saya Terumi = Saya
Kiiro = the Murakumo Units

That's about it. For XBlaze, however, there can also be:

Haruka = Hinata (barely)
Yuki = Yuki (strongest resemblance, may also be the same person).

Otherwise, Relius, Valkenhayn and Clavis are the same characters (at least according to a Mori interview). Spinner, Kana, Shinnosuke, and Tadayuki don't have counterparts, so to speak.

Although he's not an exact counterpart Spinner does have some parallels to Arakune: he's obsessed with possessing the Azure, uses insects and spiders and turns into a blob and loses his mind after being exposed to the Boundary.

[VermilionBird]

Actually, Spinne kinda reminded me of Arakune, albeit more sane and powerful.

The two only really resemble each other at the end when Spinner gets Boundary-fied and turned into a similar monster with his face somewhere in the black tar that his body turned into. The love of insects is also shared, but the two are hardly parallels.

[red13]

I mean I can understand how you feel, Ragna & Tsubaki barely know each other and the latter treats the former like he's the reason her life falls apart. 

But Ragna has had indirect causes on Tsubaki's life and now he's an active threat. Even if she did know Ragna & Jin were brothers, what would it exactly change? Ragna would still be a criminal and Jin still would have went after him anyway. It doesn't change a whole lot honestly. 

Like, is Tsubaki just suddenly supposed to forget about all of other things Ragna has done just because she's related to Jin?

hey they forgot about her actions I mean  don't think ,Tsubaki is the type of person  that wants to see  the man she loves fight with her future brother in law 

Edited August 6, 2015 by red13

[Luminos564]

Like, is Tsubaki just suddenly supposed to forgive and forget about all of other things Ragna has done just because he's Jin's brother?

This actually presents an interesting little idea and I feel like indulging a tiny bit.

Now, Ragna's an amnesiac...again. CPEX had him tossed out of the Embryo and once again, at a loss of his own identity and memories. Azrael confirms this further in the trailer for CF, noting his memory loss and musing that despite it, he's still likely to wind up repeating history. Now, disregarding Azrael's musings, the amnesiac Ragna is, for all intents and purposes, a blank slate. He has no memory and therefore is unaware of what he has done prior to having lost it. At this point, is he still to be held accountable for his past crimes? Do you judge a man guilty of a crime he honestly does not know he committed?

No doubt, Tsubaki does see him as evil and a vile criminal. But if the brief interaction when he was "captured" by Kagura is an indicator, she seems like the sort to stick to "due process". Keep in mind, at that point she had no reason to wait and could have made the attempt at his life but didn't. If BBCF played like a crime drama, this would be a narrative goldmine where you have Tsubaki interacting with the amnesiac Ragna and bond over a brief time. See a side of him she never even considered, which ultimately results in much dramatic tension somewhere down the line when she has pull an Old Yeller on him.

Now naturally, Ragna's more than likely to recover his lost memory. However, once he does, do you think he'll be the same as he was by CP's end? Or would he still be different?

[FA-ST]

Noel also inherited Saya's terrible cooking while we're at it.

Assuming Tao's 236A/C~B isn't there just for fun(which is unlikely, but whatever), Nu inherited it as well.



Also Terumi's eggs are apparently snake eggs so I guess he's still in a dream.

Edited August 7, 2015 by FA-ST

[Blade]

I'll just leave this here for people to laugh at.

[Stryker115]

I'll just leave this here for people to laugh at.

That's just crazy enough to work!

[Kinezumi]

Hopefully this is an appropriate thread for these questions. First a bit of background, my first BB was CS. I did quite a lot of the storyline and saw several endings but I didn't 100% it. I've recently started playing the story mode of CT via my friend's copy over Steam's family sharing feature.

Here are a couple of questions I just asked on another site.

1. How come after CS, things seem to be mainly back to normal? Hazama basically outed himself as a major antagonist and now he's still working for the NOL. Or, I guess more accurately since the NOL is led by the Imperator, it's weird how people who AREN'T openly evil are still in the NOL. It feels like by now the NOL shouldn't still be seen the way they were in previous games since their true nature should be apparent.
2. I'm also wondering if CP is part of another loop, or something like that. I thought the looping ended in CT but certain things in CP happen the same as in CT. For example, Ragna ends up fighting Tsubaki, says she can't defeat him with that weapon, after he wins he says he'll destroy it, Hakumen comes in and stops him from destroying it, Ragna tries to explain why it's such a bad weapon, Hakumen agrees but cryptically won't let Ragna proceed. It's all straight out of CT yet it happens in the main story of CP too.

So my knowledge of the previous games' stories are foggy and/or incomplete so maybe those are really silly questions. Just something that's been bugging me, though.

[VermilionBird]

Hopefully this is an appropriate thread for these questions. First a bit of background, my first BB was CS. I did quite a lot of the storyline and saw several endings but I didn't 100% it. I've recently started playing the story mode of CT via my friend's copy over Steam's family sharing feature.

Here are a couple of questions I just asked on another site.

1. How come after CS, things seem to be mainly back to normal? Hazama basically outed himself as a major antagonist and now he's still working for the NOL. Or, I guess more accurately since the NOL is led by the Imperator, it's weird how people who AREN'T openly evil are still in the NOL. It feels like by now the NOL shouldn't still be seen the way they were in previous games since their true nature should be apparent.
2. I'm also wondering if CP is part of another loop, or something like that. I thought the looping ended in CT but certain things in CP happen the same as in CT. For example, Ragna ends up fighting Tsubaki, says she can't defeat him with that weapon, after he wins he says he'll destroy it, Hakumen comes in and stops him from destroying it, Ragna tries to explain why it's such a bad weapon, Hakumen agrees but cryptically won't let Ragna proceed. It's all straight out of CT yet it happens in the main story of CP too.

So my knowledge of the previous games' stories are foggy and/or incomplete so maybe those are really silly questions. Just something that's been bugging me, though.

1. If you're talking about the NOL in major society then you have to remember that they are basically the world police. They regulate the control of Grimoire's which are used in every aspect of day-to-day life. Outside of the main group of characters, nobody knows who Hazama is, or knows what the Imperator even looks like during CP. The NOL is such a huge force that Kagura's coup d'etat was the only way to make sure there wasn't another war yet still have the evil uprooted. Of course, the NOL's true nature has been apparent for a while now, evident by the fact that not everyone is too fond of Library soldiers (just look at Linhua, for example), and this could mainly be attributed to the Ikaruga Civil War. At the end of CP, the nature of the NOL should be much different as Homura is now in charge, but whether or not the people of the world will still think the same of the Library is something that remains to be seen.

2. CP isn't part of another loop. At the end of CT, the loops ended when Noel became the Eye of the Azure. In CP, however, there is a sort of loop caused by a tug-of-war by Amaterasu and Takamagahara. Basically, every time something went wrong, Amaterasu would intervene, setting the clocks back so that wrong thing didn't happen. Every time it did this, it got closer to the entrance of a giant cauldron in the sky called the Nemesis Horizon. It eventually arrived at the entrance and, well, you know the rest. The scene with Tsubaki and Hakumen isn't straight from CT since Tsubaki was only present in a couple of flashbacks in Noel's story and the end of the game.

Hope this helps!

[Luminos564]

1. If you're talking about the NOL in major society then you have to remember that they are basically the world police. They regulate the control of Grimoire's which are used in every aspect of day-to-day life. Outside of the main group of characters, nobody knows who Hazama is, or knows what the Imperator even looks like during CP. The NOL is such a huge force that Kagura's coup d'etat was the only way to make sure there wasn't another war yet still have the evil uprooted. Of course, the NOL's true nature has been apparent for a while now, evident by the fact that not everyone is too fond of Library soldiers (just look at Linhua, for example), and this could mainly be attributed to the Ikaruga Civil War. At the end of CP, the nature of the NOL should be much different as Homura is now in charge, but whether or not the people of the world will still think the same of the Library is something that remains to be seen.

It's an interesting little detail, but the way most people regard the NOL tends to be for the most part neutral. It seems like that, in general, while a good number of people refer to the NOL as "Library" in snide tones, they also do recognize them as a reasonable authority (Hazama McDickers and Relius Dubag notwithstanding since they're more behind-the-scenes fellows). One perfect example is Noel who, while carrying the uniform of an NOL officer, is treated reasonably well by civilians. Heck, even Bang who owes the destruction of Ikaruga to NOL soldiers does work "with them" as a vigilante by trying to apprehend criminals. His anger is more directed towards Jin and even then he's willing to put that aside for the sake of a greater good. In general, it seems that as long as the NOL are not being overly pushy, the populace sees them in decent enough light.

Homura taking the reign of the NOL should alleviate some of the tensions. Of course, we'd need to stop the populace from turning to seithr and being absorbed by the Embryo to do that.

[BlackYakuzu94]

The worst parts about the NOL are really just a result of Hazama, Relius and Izanami; they're not that bad all things considered.

[sg1989]

The worst parts about the NOL are really just a result of Hazama, Relius and Izanami; they're not that bad all things considered.

I think it's simplistic to blame all of Hazama, Relius and Izanami for the evil present in NOL.

I think their have found only good ground to implement their reign of terror, and perhaps such a situation on the upper floors of the NOL was quite comfortable (so comfortable to not groped to stop it in any way before the arrival of Kagura)
taking advantage of the situation that the three had created, stopping and discrediting who were opposed to the crimes of NOL(vermillion family for example)

Reading the extra material connected to the series (and when you consider remix heart canon) it seems that some members of the NOL, particularly duodecim, are blinded by power, much by groped to kill their own family members (family Kisaragi) or to use unethically actions (family of Tsubaki) just to excel over others

Obviously, these are families described as the most extreme of the NOL, but I would not exclude that other have their dirty secrets, and I would not that have helped Kagura only for personal reasons with no interest in freeing the world from the tyranny of Izanami.

I would not be surprised if in the CF members of duodecim would start a power struggle to take the place of homura by any means accusing him of being too young for the command

But, this is only my opinion.

PS sorry for my bad english

[VermilionBird]

it seems that some members of the NOL, particularly duodecim, are blinded by power, much by groped to kill their own family members (family Kisaragi) or to use unethically actions (family of Tsubaki) just to excel over others

 

The Duodecim aren't so bad. All of them (bar Hazuki because that wasn't revealed if they agreed or not) had heard the news about Kagura's planned coup against the NOL, yet they didn't turn him in, and seemingly gave their support.

[heavymetalmixer]

The Duodecim aren't so bad. All of them (bar Hazuki because that wasn't revealed if they agreed or not) had heard the news about Kagura's planned coup against the NOL, yet they didn't turn him in, and seemingly gave their support.

Even though Jin and Tsubaki and the next leaders of their families, the actual leaders haven't agreed with Kagura, we don't even know their opinions.

[sg1989]

The Duodecim aren't so bad. All of them (bar Hazuki because that wasn't revealed if they agreed or not) had heard the news about Kagura's planned coup against the NOL, yet they didn't turn him in, and seemingly gave their support.

 

We have to see how kagura convinced them to support it.
I would not exclude the hypothesis that kagura has promised something to some families duodecim if the regime of izanami had fallen so that did nothing to prevent it, we are talking about one of the most influential members of Mutsuki, the most powerful of the 12 families.

My speculations are probably absurd, but it is very difficult to believe that all the duodecim was favorable to the actions of Kagura without an ulterior motive. (and I do not think even knew of the plans of the previous emperor)

I'm not saying that all families Duodecim are bad, but I do not think even that some of them have supported Kagura for the simple '' free the world of evil ''

That's why I said that, probably some of them start a power struggle to overthrow  homura from his position, even without resort to extreme actions, such as killing.

But, this is only my opinion.

PS: sorry for my bad english

[BlackYakuzu94]

Pretty sure the world dying is enough of a reason to support overthrowing the goddess of death from the throne.

[red13]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0AbnN5kKXA2kYtkhe7_qP8FbX6G3A-HpHfvC6RMjRr8MXQKk

So what the deal with the number 5 on Ragna chest ? 

[heavymetalmixer]

Pretty sure the world dying is enough of a reason to support overthrowing the goddess of death from the throne.

In that moment yeah, but if the world gets saved, the war for power will begin.

[sg1989]

Pretty sure the world dying is enough of a reason to support overthrowing the goddess of death from the throne.

but we must see whether members of Duodecim knew the true identity of the emperor with the consequent ruin that would lead to the end of CP.

And if they did not know anything, I think kagura should have been very persuasive to convince some of them to support it

[BlackYakuzu94]

Well we don't know, so its kinda presumptuous to automatically assume everyone is just going to start killing each other for power when there's no evidence for it yet LV

[VermilionBird]

I think once this whole war is over, the Magic Guild with be reestablished and a new Ten Saints will be picked. As obvious, Kokonoe would be chosen as the new Nine. One should be Rachel Alucard and Naoto would be Two. As for the other seats, I don't know.

How about this; list your personal picks for the new Ten Saints.

The Ten Sages have never had all their seats filled.
Kokonoe doesn't like using Ars Magus or magic.
Rachel can't use magic anymore.
Naoto could never use magic.

Barely anyone can use magic. At the moment, only Celica and Phantom can. That's not enough to build the Magic Guild with.
To be a member of the Ten Sages, you need to have mastered alchemy, and the magical arts.

Like, please. I'm trying to be nice, but speculation has to have some form of base and not just be idyllic daydreams. Otherwise, this thread would go too far into the toilet to save.