Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[BlackYakuzu94]

How can anyone be controlling the The God of Death, I can hardly imagine anything topping that.

[Tokkan]

I just remembered, when Hibiki first came to Jin he mentioned that Kagura's been in talks with the other families of the Duodecim except for the Yayoi, Hazuki and Kisaragi families. Now he's got the heirs of Yayoi and Kisaragi on his side, which leaves only the Hazukis, right?

[Starlight777]

Was it ever explained how Trinity ended up possessing a loli body? Is Platinum a vessel like Kazuma is for Terumi or something like that?

[heavymetalmixer]

Was it ever explained how Trinity ended up possessing a loli body? Is Platinum a vessel like Kazuma is for Terumi or something like that?

Luna and Sena were different kids that lived with Jubei for a while, but i don't know anything about the body.

[churchblue]

Mai will definitely make a huge comeback in the CP extension. I think Mai traveled places in search information or history that would help make sense of things. I think present day Mai can manipulate pure magic during the time gap. She has a way to "learn things". Mai would also be an awesome witch or alchemist.

[harmless kitten]

Trinity is just inside Muchorin.

Mai will definitely make a huge comeback in the CP extension. I think Mai traveled places in search information or history that would help make sense of things. <b>I think present day Mai can manipulate pure magic during the time gap.</b> She has a way to "learn things". Mai would also be an awesome witch or alchemist.

Is there something in particular that makes you think Mai is capable of magic? Magic has been tied to bloodline in BB, and while it's not out of the question for Mai to be capable of magic, it's kind of a random thing to assume with no indication that her ancestors were mages. I really doubt the Intermediary Grimoire would enable her to use true magic.

[churchblue]

Thanks for the insight. Also, she CAN learn magic, right?

Also there is another thing that still daughts me. If the Susanoo Unit can be equipped, why not Amaterasu?

[kylehyde]

Maybe the promise Rachel made with Tsubaki, is bacause the "evil" inside of Ragna could get out and try to control Rachel, and of course, the Tsukyomi Unit.

At first I thought that the "evil" was simply the black beast but if that were the case they already have the means of defeating it. So who knows, but I doubt that it has anything to do with it controling Rachel. I mean, why would that even happen?

Also, it was mentioned before but I think that maybe that bite may have something to do with the evil inside of him. I think Clavis told Rachel to never bite a human being or something like that. And since she bit Ragna, maybe that's why she feels so guilty about it. I'm going by her CT arcade ending in which she says "sweet sweet sin" referring to her biting Ragna. She calls it a sin, like she knows she did something really bad. So it would make sense she know's what's inside of him. Really digging hard for answers though lol.

Edited November 1, 2013 by kylehyde

[harmless kitten]

Thanks for the insight. Also, she CAN learn magic, right?

Also there is another thing that still daughts me. If the Susanoo Unit can be equipped, why not Amaterasu?

Like I said, there's nothing that says she can't but I really doubt it. BlazBlue--I have no idea about XBlaze--implies that magic is a hereditary trait. While Mai's Intermediary Grimoire is kind of interesting, it doesn't actually enable her to use any of the skills she copies, and I really doubt it would enable her to use magic of all things. It just seems pretty baseless to me. There's nothing to actually indicate she becomes a mage or an alchemist or whatever.

Susano'o Unit is an offensive creation, and how the hell would you equip this? Amaterasu does not seem meant for either offensive or defensive combat, and it has a will of its own, unlike the Susano'o Unit.

[Chaoschao222]

There's nothing to actually indicate she becomes a mage or an alchemist or whatever.

Which brings up another point of this thread. While it's for speculations and theories, try to have some basis for them. This thread's for speculations, not fanfic hopes an' dreams. This isn't a strict rule (unless it's full-on stupid, then you're fucked), but it bugs me all the same

[SoWL]

Speaking of Platinum, where does her name even come from? Sure, I can understand Trinity's involvement, as well as kinda guess the story behind Sena and Luna, but why Platinum?

[Chaoschao222]

Trinity was known as the Platinum Alchemist. That seems like the most logical assumption without knowing the actual back-story of "Platinum" as an entity herself.

I mean, asking "why is X named Y" is a pretty hard question to answer. Why does Noel have a boy's name? Why does Ragna have a girl's name? Who thought Makoto was a good name for a squirrel? etc. etc. You really can't answer why a name is a name unless you are/asked the person who named them.

Edited November 1, 2013 by Chaoschao222

[SoWL]

Why does Ragna have a girl's name?

The only other Ragna I know is a man, but yeah, I get your point, not to mention that I haven't heard Trinity's title before.

[InWithTheAshes]

I always thought she was named after this .

[mAc Chaos]

Trinity was known as the Platinum Alchemist. That seems like the most logical assumption without knowing the actual back-story of "Platinum" as an entity herself.

I mean, asking "why is X named Y" is a pretty hard question to answer. Why does Noel have a boy's name? Why does Ragna have a girl's name? Who thought Makoto was a good name for a squirrel? etc. etc. You really can't answer why a name is a name unless you are/asked the person who named them.

"why does it say REBEL instead of round"

[Tokkan]

Why does Noel have a boy's name?

Ha. "Noel" sometimes counts as gender neutral and they pronounce the name like the female equivalent (Noelle) anyways.

[raziel12]

ok i have question ES from XBLAZE stayed in the boundary cause she will cause the world to have distortionsi think because she became the first successor to the azure but since noel is one too won't she also have to suffer the same fate since she also like ragna a person that should never exist

[BlackYakuzu94]

The only other Ragna I know is a man, but yeah, I get your point, not to mention that I haven't heard Trinity's title before.

In german, Ragna actually is a girl's name.

[Ajantas]

I always though Ragna was based off Norse Mythology, either Ragnarok the destruction and rebirth of the world or Ragnar Lodbrok a norse ruler.

[BlackYakuzu94]

That's true too, but the name "Ragna" itself is typically a female name.

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[Luminos564]

So, I was finally able to watch the True End in full and damn, this whole ordeal is very likely to impact Ragna as a character in a significant way come BB4. I mean, look at the situation he was in during CP.

First, he loses the use of his Azure Grimoire due to Celica's presence in the timeline. Then is promptly trounced by (an Unlimited) Jin, leaving him to realize just how weak he himself is without the Azure Grimoire. Then he gets over his slump and acknowledges that it really isn't his power to use, vowing not to rely on it (as seen in his fight with Azrael). But, soon after, just as he found he has things to protect (in this case Jin, Noel, Celica etc.) Izanami swoops in and makes him attack them, while he is unable to do anything about it and is forced to watch.

He's likely feeling really, really useless at the moment. Can't fight worth a damn without relying on the Azure which is ill-advised, but even if he doesn't, Izanami can simply make him go wild at any point which is a frightening thing. I'd be hard pressed to believe we'll be seeing the same sort of "buzz-off" attitude from him in BB4.

[heavymetalmixer]

So, I was finally able to watch the True End in full and damn, this whole ordeal is very likely to impact Ragna as a character in a significant way come BB4. I mean, look at the situation he was in during CP.

First, he loses the use of his Azure Grimoire due to Celica's presence in the timeline. Then is promptly trounced by (an Unlimited) Jin, leaving him to realize just how weak he himself is without the Azure Grimoire. Then he gets over his slump and acknowledges that it really isn't his power to use, vowing not to rely on it (as seen in his fight with Azrael). But, soon after, just as he found he has things to protect (in this case Jin, Noel, Celica etc.) Izanami swoops in and makes him attack them, while he is unable to do anything about it and is forced to watch.

He's likely feeling really, really useless at the moment. Can't fight worth a damn without relying on the Azure which is ill-advised, but even if he doesn't, Izanami can simply make him go wild at any point which is a frightening thing. I'd be hard pressed to believe we'll be seeing the same sort of "buzz-off" attitude from him in BB4.

Maybe he will become the antagonist in BB4, and Jin will take his place as the protagonist of the story.

[Luminos564]

Maybe he will become the antagonist in BB4, and Jin will take his place as the protagonist of the story.

Ragna becoming an antagonistic force is certainly plausible, though I am not entirely sure Jin is protagonist material. Don't get me wrong, he makes for a great deuteragonist but him being promoted to full-on protagonist is a mighty stretch. He is, however, definitely set-up to go against Ragna again what with Jin's task of killing him being a necessity now rather than some personal grudge or antibody impulses.

Edited November 2, 2013 by Luminos564

[kylehyde]

Ragna becoming an antagonistic force is certainly plausible, though I am not entirely sure Jin is protagonist material. Don't get me wrong, he makes for a great deuteragonist but him being promoted to full-on protagonist is a mighty stretch. He is, however, definitely set-up to go against Ragna again what with Jin's task of killing him being a necessity now rather than some personal grudge or antibody impulses.

I agree, Jin just isn't protagonist material. After 3 games of being the star I doubt things will change for the 4th game.

My guess is the first half of the last game will involve the cast trying to deal with Ragna while the last half will be all Izanami.

Edited November 2, 2013 by kylehyde

[Shinhwa]

I really wonder what will happen to Nu-13 afterwards... The epilogue didn't explain what happens to her after she suddenly stabs Ragna...

Jesus... I just hope her tragedy and sad routes just end already... I had enough how she has to suffer all the time =A=

When the cutscene with Ragna rescuing her out of Takemikazuchi happened, I was thinking she was going to be freed from her misery of always getting controlled by assholes, then after the stabbing happened, I got pretty much pissed.

I wonder if she were to get reprogrammed by Kokonoe, she would become like Lambda-11 except not getting "controlled" by anything.

Why can't Arc System just turn her into Ragna's true ally when she loves him.... SIGH...