Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[raziel12]

yea but you can tell she was kinda pissed off at first on how much ragna changed

[Shinhwa]

yea but you can tell she was kinda pissed off at first on how much ragna changed

Sorry I am only basing this on spoilers I read and videos I have watched. I don't own the game sadly

So I have no idea what she said to Ragna.

[Zedar90]

Sorry I am only basing this on spoilers I read and videos I have watched. I don't own the game sadly

After Nu told Ragna about the Sector Sevens attempt to create a Black Beast, he told her that it sounded like that Nu said that she wanted to be saved.

Nu responded with if Ragna doesn't stop screwing around she will kill him (in a very threatening voice, i.e. she doesn't want to be "saved")

[Shinhwa]

After Nu told Ragna about the Sector Sevens attempt to create a Black Beast, he told her that it sounded like that Nu said that she wanted to be saved.

Nu responded with if Ragna doesn't stop screwing around she will kill him (in a very threatening voice, i.e. she doesn't want to be "saved")

I don't get it... In CT, in her story mode, it looked as if she wanted to be saved from the way she said things, and she sounded sad while she was in Lambda-11 in CS, now she doesn't?

What's going on here...

Terumi's tampering involved with this or is Blazblue just making her go out of her mind more...?

[Luminos564]

I don't get it... In CT, in her story mode, it looked as if she wanted to be saved from the way she said things, and she sounded sad while she was in Lambda-11 in CS, now she doesn't?

What's going on here...

Terumi's tampering involved with this or is Blazblue just making her go out of her mind more...?

It's more along the lines of this: the Nu-13 you saw that was crying out for Ragna is most likely just her inner, residual memories as Saya. However, notice that she has little to no semblance of Saya (as in behavior) when fighting. She was literally designed to merge with Ragna and she will follow that to the letter. Lambda-11 may have housed her soul, but that's about it. The 11th unit wasn't designed to merge with Ragna and therefore, Nu's soul had no reason to obey her original programming at the time. You can feel sorry for her situation if you must, but do be aware that it was that same line of thinking that nearly cost Ragna both Noel and Jin in the True Ending. Least, that's my take on the matter.

[mAc Chaos]

It could be that she was mad because Ragna was right and saw through her.

[Shinhwa]

Really, everything about Nu is just tragic and sad that it really breaks my heart

So, what would happen to Nu if her programming was removed?

[Luminos564]

It could be that she was mad because Ragna was right and saw through her.

Ah good one, I didn't even think about that. Ragna was much calmer than usual during the time he goes inside Take-Mikazuchi to deal with her, which is a stark contrast to how he acted towards her in CT. And she tried her usual tricks from back then. Unfortunately for her, Ragna had matured from their time apart and was damn near unfazed by her words.

So, what would happen to Nu if her programming was removed?

Can't rightly tell ya. It could range from her becoming an amnesiac little girl to becoming an empty husk that cannot function (if the writers feel like she doesn't deserve a happy ending). Or maybe everything becomes hunky-dory and she acts very Saya-ish towards Jinjin and Rags.

Edited November 2, 2013 by Luminos564

[Shinhwa]

Ah good one, I didn't even think about that. Ragna was much calmer than usual during the time he goes inside Take-Mikazuchi to deal with her, which is a stark contrast to how he acted towards her in CT. And she tried her usual tricks from back then. Unfortunately for her, Ragna had matured from their time apart and was damn near unfazed by her words.

I blame Ragna partially for Nu becoming this way, mostly because of how he acted towards her in the past (in CT), which she took the wrong way kind of (in a yandere/sadistic way) @_@;

Can't rightly tell ya. It could range from her becoming an amnesiac little girl to becoming an empty husk that cannot function (if the writers feel like she doesn't deserve a happy ending). Or maybe everything becomes hunky-dory and she acts very Saya-ish towards Jinjin and Rags.

I was just thinking she could become like Lambda-11. As long as she doesn't become an empty shell :<

And I think the fans would be pretty pissed if the writers never give Nu a happy ending that doesn't involve her fusing with someone, sacrificing herself for Ragna, or just getting outright killed like in CT. It would be pretty sad if they were to treat Nu's death ending during CS as a "happy ending".

CT, CS and now CP. If things to this way, I seriously feel they will just have her die in a good reason or a bad reason, which would be really sad considering how her character was shown in CT.

I know Nu has things hard and sad, but I still feel sorry for Lambda-11 more for having a bad life and never getting any chance in happiness =w=;

[BlackYakuzu94]

I blame Ragna partially for Nu becoming this way, mostly because of how he acted towards her in the past (in CT), which she took the wrong way kind of (in a yandere/sadistic way) @_@;

I was just thinking she could become like Lambda-11. As long as she doesn't become an empty shell :<

And I think the fans would be pretty pissed if the writers never give Nu a happy ending that doesn't involve her fusing with someone, sacrificing herself for Ragna, or just getting outright killed like in CT. It would be pretty sad if they were to treat Nu's death ending during CS as a "happy ending".

CT, CS and now CP. If things to this way, I seriously feel they will just have her die in a good reason or a bad reason, which would be really sad considering how her character was shown in CT.

I know Nu has things hard and sad, but I still feel sorry for Lambda-11 more for having a bad life and never getting any chance in happiness =w=;

I really think you're overestimating how sympathetic Nu is; I get that her life sucks, but she's still insane to the letter. Even after Ragna "saved" her, she still stabbed him in the back and very much wants to merge with him, it kind of established that she's a danger to everyone around her no matter the circumstance, that's something you have to consider when addressing her and it wouldn't be out there to assume the writers put her down for good in the next game.

Ragna isn't the reason she's the way she is, that's just how she's programmed along with having Saya's memories; she's compelled to merge with the other half of the grimoire and has these fond memories of Ragna that she probably doesn't understand, so it kinda made her go insane.

[Shinhwa]

Sigh......... damn you Arc system.... T____T

[ImmaYuukiTerumi]

You know, I think Ragna is going to die by Jin's hand. Hell, this seemed kinda foreshadowed in Continuum Shift when Ragna more or less says Jin will be his final enemy or something. It's when Jin couldn't use Yukiansa.

[BlackYakuzu94]

I wonder, could Ragna do to Nu, what he did to Mu when he changed her back to Noel?

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[Luminos564]

You know, I think Ragna is going to die by Jin's hand. Hell, this seemed kinda foreshadowed in Continuum Shift when Ragna more or less says Jin will be his final enemy or something. It's when Jin couldn't use Yukiansa.

I should hope that this won't be the case because there IS an alternative. See, part of the reason Jin is so crazy when it comes to Ragna is because he genuinely loves his brother but believes his life is filled with suffering (which is true). So Jin seeks to relieve him of this suffering but due to the love he has (as well as Yukianesa and the Antibody impulses) he thinks the best way to do this is by killing him, so it drives him nuts. Even his future-self, Haku-men, is not immune by this. Although he firmly believes killing Ragna is for the better, the act of doing so still causes him an extraordinary amount of grief (enough to kill Jin and himself in repentance according to CT), no matter how many times he's had to go through with it.

So why the history lesson? Because the alternative has just shown itself in Ragna's inner "Evil" (mentioned by Rachel). It reportedly can "consume the entire world" and is trying to get out by eating Ragna from the inside. Solution? Deal with the "Evil" (without having Jin kill him or Rachel killed by Tsubaki which prevents it) once it emerges and voila, no more suffering Ragna and ergo, no more crazy "kill brother" mode for Jin or Haku-men.

I wonder, could Ragna do to Nu, what he did to Mu when he changed her back to Noel?

I kinda doubt that. I always figured it was because Mu-12 had her time to spend as Noel Vermillion. Nu-13 was just born on New Year's Eve and got offed right there and then. Plus, Ragna's running low on spare limbs at the moment and sacrificing that 5B leg will not do him any favors .

Edited November 2, 2013 by Luminos564

[Shinhwa]

Whatever the case, I want happy end for everyone. NO DEATHS/FUSIONS/SACRIFICES WHATSOEVER that will cause them grief. Happy ends for each individual EXCEPT the antagonists.

[Master Of Chaos]

Happy endings? For everyone? In BlazBlue?

Impossible. Someone's going to die, someone's going to suffer, yadda yadda.

[Shinhwa]

Happy endings? For everyone? In BlazBlue?

Impossible. Someone's going to die, someone's going to suffer, yadda yadda.

Yeah... I know... just as Trinity died in this game, someone probably going to die next game...

But seriously I hope it's not Nu-13....... T______T She died twice already

[Shinhwa]

I have a question about Noel as Mu-12. She was known as God Slayer Kusanagi, but does she still have that power as god slayer or no? Because if she does, doesn't that mean she can kill Izanami, who is goddess of death?

[heavymetalmixer]

I have a question about Noel as Mu-12. She was known as God Slayer Kusanagi, but does she still have that power as god slayer or no? Because if she does, doesn't that mean she can kill Izanami, who is goddess of death?

Nope, even Hakumen said that she's broken.

[Shinhwa]

Nope, even Hakumen said that she's broken.

=_=

God slayer doesn't work? I know the Time Killer doesn't work because Death doesn't have time, but God slayer won't work either? wtf

[Zedar90]

=_=

God slayer doesn't work? I know the Time Killer doesn't work because Death doesn't have time, but God slayer won't work either? wtf

If we are using what is said in Xblaze, it is known as God Slayer because it makes one immune to the power of god, phenomenon Intervention.

[Shinhwa]

If we are using what is said in Xblaze, it is known as God Slayer because it makes one immune to the power of god, phenomenon Intervention.

So... any speculation on how Izanami can be taken down then?

[Zedar90]

So... any speculation on how Izanami can be taken down then?

Nothing, no. Since Izanami is something like Amaterasus death materialized, she was likely created since Amaterasu is trying to cheat death. Izanami cant even use Phenomenon Intervention, she used for Takamagahara-System for it which she even destroyed after she was done using it in CP.

[cr1ms0n]

So... any speculation on how Izanami can be taken down then?

Well, if it's just the body (AKA Saya) that's immortal, then all we have to do is RIP Izanami out of her,

but if it's Izanami in general, then this is going to be kinda tricky...

[Shinhwa]

Don't tell me they gotta just have to talk her out of it by proving themselves like Persona 4 =__=;